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On First pick, I traded down multiple times to get a bunch of second round picks, then traded back up twice and I got...

Deforest Buckner (First)
Lequan Treadwell (first)
Reggie Ragland (first)
Sterling Shepherd
Scooby Wright
Pharoah Cooper

and others

B plus it gave me.

My only point was that LaCanfora is not the only guy saying we are trying to move down.

If we are truly shopping the pick and telling everyone we aren't going QB, won't that reduce what other teams are going to offer? Why would any team offer a boatload of picks if we aren't drafting a QB and the QB may fall to them?

Perhaps we should draft the non-#1 QB and shop for the trade after that?

If I remember correctly, what was actually said was that the signing of RG# wouldn't affect our plans of drafting a Qb. That is very different from we are going to draft a Qb at #2.

We might not like either Goof or Wentz. In which case we wouldn't have drafted either even if we didn't sign RG3

j/c

There is a lot of gamesmanship going on right now. I think the team should explore potential trades. But honestly, if the offers don't return the value the team is looking for, draft Tunsil and don't look back.

In my mind that's also a win for the team.

Adam Schefter ✔‎@AdamSchefter
Signing RGIII not expected to have any impact on what Cleveland does in draft.

A QB still expected to be the pick.
1:35 PM - 24 Mar 2016


http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/4/18/1...b-at-no-2-trade

j/C

I'm not GM or Analytic Guru, with that said, I would wait until the end of round 1 for a trade down. Paying attention to past drafts, I've learned that teams re-assess where they are at the end of rounds. So, the #32 is an attractive draft slot. The Browns could be better served taking a lights out stud in round 1 and still getting value from dealing the #32 pick. There will be plenty of valuable WR, DT and DB options after a trade down from the 32 pick. Seems less risky and still impactful from where I sit.

Very true, guard. This pick, being the first pick of Day 2, should attract a lot of attention Thursday night into Friday...

Nothing says we can
't trade down from the #2 spot then again from the #32 spot.

WHo is this lights out stud you want to draft at #2? How many can you name? That's as far as you can trade down.

My assessment is the #2 pick is best used on Tunsil.

Wentz/Goff - They may not be studs, but the demand is there.

Tunsil - Presents better value then just a RT. Some believe he is the best player in the draft.

Ramsey - Better value at CB than FS.

Jack - Value is dependant on his recovery from injury.

Bosa - Not a stud IMO, plus possible character issues.

Elliot - Value hurt by possible character issues.

Those are the player I would characterize as having stud potential. (Note character issues for Bosa and Elliot). I would certainly expect a few risers out of the next dozen or so who are not thought of as studs currently.

What are Elliott's character issues?

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/722558141905252358

This is a pretty good deal.

(Note: The Eagles don't have a second round pick this year. They traded it for Sam Bradford.)

Sold

I think that with all of the JT trade talk ... "A bird in hand is better than two in the woods". It would be foolesh to entertian without a bird in hand.

IMO ... It's too high to draft a FS or a WILL LB.

You're correct there is nothing preventing trades for both the #2 or #32. To me the question is return on investment. If the team is not offered enough for the #2 overall we have the luxury of using the pick on a consensus elite player overall. So the decision makers will have to make that judgement. I think the team can acquire more picks by using the #32. Possibly get back picks that amount to a more fair return. By auctioning the #32 you open up the market of teams who may covet other highly valued position players, not just a QB. When the dust settles on round 1 there should be some excellent DL and Corners still on the board, even some of the better WRs. Maybe somebody really wants one of these players and is willing to make a deal to get in position to draft one.

So by that assessment, you should be willing to trade down to #6 or 7 depending upon Jack's medical. Which scares me that he isn't fully recovered yet.

Did you forget about Buckner or do you not value him that much?

I'd be down with that trade

A partyer. Rumored use of Ecstasy.

There was some report that Bosa and Elliot were roommates ans Bosa moved out because there were too many parties in their apartment. Or something along those lines.

Yes, I forgot him! While I don't believe he is a stud, he is solid and likely capable of achieving a stud rating...

I like Buckner more than Bosa without taking into account the character issues.

Oh man, that is tempting. If we could get that deal out of Dallas, I'd be on board...

I love it...

My theory is to trade back to gain more picks both this year and next year. Turn the picks this year in to weapons for the QB. Unlike how we have done it in the past, I say build the team, then get the QB.

Take the pick(s) we gain next year and our own pick(s) next year to get Deshaun Watson. Then we are in business.

I agree in theory; however, what if there is no clear cut franchise QB again next year, including Watson?

I remember before Tajh Boyd's final season at Clemson, most mocks had him as a top 3 pick and a future NFL star ... and then he fell off the map and was drafted in like the 6th round.

I"m not pretending to know how good/bad the 2017 QB stock is, I'm just expressing my skepticism in banking on the future.

I agree with Peen. If we can load up on draft picks, we could really build a foundation, a core, to help us turn the ship around.

In regards to the chance of not finding a franchise QB... scouts will find someone, just like they did this year in Carson Wentz. There will always be someone.

Give RG3 the keys. Add a WR or two this year, and build this horrid defensive front 7.

j/c:

Not opposed to a deal like this at all if we don't like the QBs being discussed.


https://twitter.com/TheOBR/status/722755699978035202

^ This is how I feel about the subject as well. Keep building leverage by playing teams off one another if the rumors have any bit of truth to them. Don't rush it.

I bet. lol. If there were some 2nd round picks involved, I'd say go ahead and agree on the deal. 3rd round picks don't impress me at all. We need more.

If we get a 1st and 3rd this year and 1st and 2nd next year, then that works for me. Maybe a young player. I think I read the offer right now was 1st and 3rd this year and next. Maybe by holding off we get them to up the ante some.

Of course, there is that one article that has us dropping to #4 for a 6th round pick. So that's an option as well

j/c:

Speculating is fun.

Keep shopping that pick Sashi! Give it to the highest offer and let's not think twice about it!

If we are seriously fielding offers, time is on our side for now. Don't like the idea, but if you get a bidding war going, two or three, the price gets hard to pass on. That said, I still favor getting yours upfront. Play after round one. Loading up on "not the best player available" doesn't strike me as sound judgment, analytics be hanged. And if we are reaching into next year, that seems like drawing to an inside straight.

I would like to come away from a draft without gritting my teeth and hating it.

In addition to the "time is on our side" angle, if we do make the trade now instead of during the draft, it gives teams behind us time to guess who we may be targeting and negotiate a way to move up if they also want the same player we do. At least if we make a move on draft day the environment is far more hectic and time is extremely limited. Even if a deal is done or we know we're ready to accept one, I wouldn't execute it until we're on the clock.

J/c...

Why do we (some, not all) root for the team to lose out so the Browns secure a top draft choice, but when the draft rolls around all of a sudden everyone wants to trade down?

Quantity over quality.

I'm against a trade down.