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I understand, mac, but you really have to look at the whole deal, not just this year. We are not expected to 'rise' overnight so this trade must be viewed in the context of the longer term...

Getting a 1st and 2nd for future drafts is.

What this tells me is that the Eagles know EXACTLY who the Rams are taking, otherwise this trade doesn't happen. And with regards to where the Eagles pick next year, I personally think that team without Kelly as the coach is a 2-3 win improvement at minimum compared to last year.

I think this is a good trade IF (big IF) they draft well!! If this FO continues the Browns tradition of drafting poorly, then it's a whole lot of nothing.

Comon Sashi and crew, make this into "the draft that changed the Browns."

Yup mediocre talent is our wheel house. We just got fleeced out of top talent for a 3rd and a 4th. And if Philly has a good year and we go 5-11 or better we probably won't be seeing that franchise QB for another few years. I don't see the Haslam's having that kind of patience. It's a big gamble for the analytic guys IMO.

Die hard Eagles fan persepective..

This guy is funny as heck to watch... lots of bad language, so if you are sensitive to that kind of stuff, dont watch.

Every draft there is a player that nobody thinks will be good.

If this year it turns out to be Wentz or Goff (whichever ends up going at 2)

Think about it, any other year, would either of them be considered elite? I don't believe they would be. It's just that they are the best available this year. That doesn't mean they are now or ever will be elite.

I would bet you that the Browns have their sites set on someone else. Don't ask me who it is.

As for your thoughts that "IF" we pick poorly, we'll suck (paraphrasing a little) hell, you can say that about any team, any draft, any year.

On the face of it, I like this trade.

I don't think they'd have traded out of 2 had the Titans not traded out of 1. That left the Eagles and maybe others in a panic.

So, yes, we fleeced them. Now, what we do with all that extra fleece becomes the key.

Ha, isn't it always?

https://twitter.com/NateUlrichABJ/status/722893923295690753

Like the trade except that I wanted to be in the hunt for Tunsil, Bosa, Jack or Ramsey. Falling to 8, we probably don't have a chance at any of them.

Who would best fit at #8-Zeke, Buckner, Hargreaves or Stanley or someone else

Lets be real .... or put a better way, here is my reality:

At the end of the season, there wasn't a consensus that there was a QB that would be good value in the top 10 of the draft.

It's my opinion that the Browns liked Goff - and *might* have drafted him at 2 if there was no Rams trade.

It's my opinion that the Rams will draft Goff... and I don't think the FO and Hue have any interest in drafting a project regardless of the potential.

I think people dismissing the 1st round pick next year as having no or little value are wrong. Likewise the Rnd 2 pick in 2018. I think that paves the way for additional picks to make quality players at a time when hopefully the team is improving and taking shape.

For those assuming that because previous regimes have whiffed - that this one will. . . . I disagree. I'm all in with this FO until they prove they suck. Call me a homer, I don't care. One of these years I'll be right!

Great trade. I love the opportunities that should present themselves to us.

Of the three you listed, Buckner.

I'd expect another trade down.

That Eagles fan was a little mad.

Hilarious!

And not because I think he's right. He may end up eating his words if their #2 overall selection wins a SB for them, but man, his rant was awesome!

I see people who don't like this trade, and I see folks who LOVE this trade. You know what I see? I see people claiming to be Miss Cleo and see the future. Not a damn one of us knows how this will turn out. Some of you have a pre mature eja.... um I don't think I can say that on this board so I will just say your way to excited. It's going to take a few years before we will know if this was stupid as hell, or brilliant. So until then I am going to keep sitting here in the life boat wearing a life jacket. I am not jumping overboard, or buying into anything yet.

I can envision the 9er's drafting Lynch.

(1-8) Jack Conklin OL
(2-32) Kamalei Correa OLB
(3-65) Dak Prescott QB
(3-77) Leonte Carroo WR
(4-99) Jatavis Brown WILL
(4-100) Miles Killebrew S
(4-138) Tajae Sharp WR
(5-141) Kalan Reed CB
(5-172) Tra Carson RB
(5-173) Alex Lewis OT
(6-176) David Onyemata DL
(7-233) Brynjar Gudmundsson C

Ditto. Not JT.

Hopefully this regime can turn the next 3 years of many high draft picks into a special team like the Cowboys did in the late 80's with the Hershal Walker trade.

I am impressed by your knowledge,good thing you don't work in the FO of the Rams or Eagles.
They should just keep trading down and amassing more picks,maybe they can get 30 6th round picks.That's what analytics will do for you.

His knowledge of QBs is vastly superior to your knowledge of analytics (this is true even if he knows nothing about QBs).

lost in all of this is one fact:

we should all be THANKING Tramon Williams forever.


why?

Had he not gone offsides against San Diego last year we would have flip flopped with SD in the draft order

Connor Cook is just as good as Goff and Wentz. Heck, Cook took his college team to a Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, and the College Football Playoff. He won 2 Big Ten Championships. What if the Browns selct him sometime in this draft. Collect the picks and get a QB just as good if not better than the 2 top pick QB's.

Except he didn't go offsides, lol.

I can't disagree with your statement.
When I first saw the word,math didn't come to mind.
But it really is nice to again be conversing with the Northern Cali white wine spritzer guy.

j/c

Judging the deal only on what we gave up and what we got in return, I like it. Now the challenge is drafting.

We don't even know who out RT will be ... imo it would be suicide ...

I agree. I think we trade down from 8 to somewhere in the 20's and take a lineman. Then trade down from 32 and get more 3rd and 4th round picks. THOSE are the guys we want. You don't have to pay them. If we get really lucky we trade down so far there is no chance of getting a GREAT player. We don't want great. We want solid and average.

+1

He WASN'T offsides.

thank goodness

We don't even know who our RT will be ... imo it would be suicide ... I think that this move could help take some pressure off of RGIII.

Normally I'm anti trade down since we usually botch the picks, but I really wasn't thrilled with any of the QB's in this class, and we got a lot in return.

So I can't be upset. Just don't botch the picks again.

With no QB, no WR's, no RB no line no pass rusher no DB's ZERO talent at safety? We aren't going to win more than one or two games. If that. I think it's a distinct possibility we go 0-16. So tell me how exactly JT helps us? by the time this group gets done completely rebuilding this thing from the ground up JT will be as old as Moses.

Well, since you are certain that not one QB in this draft will EVER amount to anything.... awesome trade. However, if the guy the Eagles take at 2 ends up a franchise player? Then it's time to FIRE EVERYONE again. So they BETTER be right. That QB better suck forever. Because OURS sure as hell will.

I am really against trading back, but man how could the Browns turn this down?

Just for me, I wanted Goff. When the Rams traded up, I knew that was the end of that dream. Would have been more than happy staying at 2 and getting Ramsey or any of those other top guys (I really like the top of this draft), but since we can't get a QB this is an amazing situation to fall into.

I think you still get a good player at 8, and you have more resources to possibly move up at any point in this draft if there is someone you really want. You could also just stay put and stock up on a lot of talent.

If Wentz turns out to be a franchise QB who takes the Eagles to the playoffs every year, it's going to end up looking bad, short of you drafing multiple hall of famers in this draft. I think it's a calculated risk, but I think it sets themselves up for the next few years, and also eases the pressure of having to make your very first pick as a regime on whether or not to take a QB prospect.

But man, please don't screw this up Browns.

Let's play a game of would you rather. Which would you have preferred:

1. For us to trade up to #1 to select Goff (let's say it would cost us this year's #32)
2. For us to get the deal we did from Philly

Good thing the deal isn't just this yr. It's the player's we pick.

Can't say I'm certain because I'm no draft guru, and I haven't really watched Goff or Wentz much so they could definitely turn out to be franchise QB's. I'm just not enamored by either one personally.

I can't disagree with firing everyone if this backfires. You can't argue that they didn't acquire a hell of a lot of good draft picks, they just better hit some home runs with them.

Hard to say because judging QB's is so hard when it's college to pro..

But I will say if Hue really really liked Goff, then I think I would rather have gotten that deal out of the way. And maybe he did. Maybe he thought he would have been a really good pick at 2, but not at unloading all kinds of resources for.

Hindsight is so nice, so yeah, you give up years of picks if Goff is the next Rodgers, but that's impossible to know.

I agree, it is very big. It gives us some back-up if we need to trade that years #1 to land Deshaun Watson next year.

You might get your wish on trading JT, but we might want to have a viable replacement 1st.