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I like the trade because I wasn't thrilled with the QB prospects this year and I said I wouldn't like it last year when I wanted up to draft Garoppolo.

I think Hue likes RG3 and is going all in with him rather than some unknown.

We could still end up with the QB with the most potential in Payton lynch if the 49ers don't grab him.

I could see us drafting Laquon Treadwell WR. He is a big, tall WR with great hands and good route running. The perfect WR for Hues's style of offense. Gives RG3 a solid target to throw to. Then I take a RT at 32.

Come on Bro...


A. We have QB's this year. One was one we were trying to give a goldmine to get. Maybe we need to make sure this cat isn't junk heaped just yet. How GLORIOUS would it be if we actually decided at seasons end we needed to extend him, NOW.


B. There is a QB next year. His name his Deshaun Watson. We now have the ammo to get him , especially if RGCleve doesn't do much and we only win 3-4 games.

It works both ways man. If the Browns collect a bunch of players that turn out to make the Browns a great team again, then you're wrong too.

Nobody knows if the trade was awesome or terrible yet. You don't know if the QBs we passed on are future HOFers or trash. You don't know the players we will pick with the Eagles bounty will boom or bust. However, it sounds like you're assuming we will lose no matter what. Just relax.

Come on Arch, you can credit me....I said building the team before the QB was the way to go.

Note on the conditional 4th we traded the Eagles next year: It will be the lowest 4th round pick we hold)

For this year, as of right now, we own the following picks:

Round 1: 8th overall
Round 2: 32 (1st pick in the 2nd, almost certainly likely to attract trade offers)
Round 3: 65 (2nd pick in the 3rd)
Round 3: 77 (14th pick in the 3rd)
Round 4: 99 (1st pick of the 4th round)
Round 4: 100 (2nd pick in the 4th round)
Round 4: 138 (Compensatory)
Round 5: 141 (2nd pick in the 5th)
Round 5: 172 (Compensatory)
Round 5: 173 (Compensatory)
Round 6: 176 (1st pick in the 6th round)
Round 7: 223 (2nd pick in the 7th)

6 picks in the top 100 is really encouraging, considering all of the holes in this roster. I would not be surprised to see us trade down from #8 to add still more picks, and/or to trade out of 32. (which could be a very valuable asset)

I also think that Cook could be in play for us in the 2nd round.

Anyway, 6 picks in the top 100, and 11 in the top 176 should really help. (along with our 7th rounder) Hopefully we choose wisely.

This group isn't focused on this year. This year is going to be what it is....they are focused on future years...this about the #1 next year, and the #2 the year after, which I think is the gem. That pick is big....I mean BIGGGGG. That sets up nest years draft.

It's basically a forgone conclusion that we'll be something like 2-14 and picking at #1 or #2 next year

If Philly ends up giving us a top 10 pick ... we're in the driver's seat again next year ... another chance to trade back and garner even more picks

My own completely random and unsupported odds of us moving again are as follows:

Trading down from #8: Roughly 45% chance. I can see us making a move down to the middle of the 1st, if we can add enough assets. I think that the team really wanted to move out of #2. I think that they will move out of #8, but only for the right deal.

Trading down from #32: Roughly 75% chance. I really see this being a key for us, as there is always that "Man I cannot believe no one took HIM!" player sitting at the top of Round 2. I think that this could be the pick that could really make this draft boom for the Browns.

Of course you aren't impressed. It is a moronic statement to say it depends on what they do with the picks. It always depends on what is done with picks. Who ever goes in intending on blowing picks? It's also moronic to keep putting these guys down because they attended Harvard, like that is some sort of negative.
I mean really man, that is laughable.

What did our "Big Brian Football Guys" named Holmgren or Davis, or Farmer ever do for us to get us to the Super Bowl? Answer the question.


Take a Time Out Dude

I love this trade! When you are rebuilding a team from the bottom up, you acquire picks to fill gaps and hope those drafted contribute. The biggest problem we've had in the past is those drafted do not play/contribute up to expectations. Ex: Gilbert, Manziel, Richardson, Weeden

Out of those 4 players, who would have thought that Weeden just might have the longest, and most successful career?

Okay. I credit you with saying it. I read, I just don't have the memory skills some posters have. Crap, some guys know/pretend to know what others said years ago.

Peen gets the nod on "build the team first"

j/c:

I like the trade. Already said that, but man, talk about flip-flopping. All I saw on this board was how we have to draft Wentz [the majority] or Goff. Now, guys are saying they didn't like either guy. Oh, and this is a good one. Now Cook is getting some run.

Whatever.........just wish more people would be honest.

I like the trade. I have said it over and over again that I would not take either Wentz or Goff w/the second overall pick. I don't need to change my story. I also said that I would prefer we trade down. Again, no need to change my story. Too bad a thread was deleted. We could know for sure what people thought BEFORE this happened. Censorship of ieas and opinions on a football message board.

Now, here is what I am thinking about what's coming up.

--I hope the Browns use the 8th overall pick to draft a player. I will be upset if they trade down again.

--I do not want that player to be Jack.

--I love Ohio State, but I don't like taking a RB that high. Then again, if there is a RB who is worth it, it would be Zeke. Three down player.

--I do not want an offensive lineman w/that pick.

--Bosa, Hargreaves, and Buckner are guys I would be okay with.

Surely not I

I think this trade was rather shrewd and on it's face I like it. I don't necessarily think that Hue is "all in" on RGIII in terms of that being the original plan. I posted last week that I think by signing him we get at minimum an average QB (does anyone really think RGIII will crap the bed??). By doing so it relieves the pressure of being forced in to drafting a QB that we may not be 100% sold on.

If we weren't 100% sold on Goff or Wentz, then I think the smart play was to trade down and acquire picks whereby with a little more movement on draft day, we can get a few impact players. And if we do significantly improve, then we're in a position next season to draft a a QB we ARE 100% sold on and can afford to offer up a ton of picks like Philly just did.

This is were I see this trade as great. Even with the debate as to which is the better QB Goff or Wentz, it was the general consensus that this class is not very strong as far as prospects concerned. By acquiring, most likely, another top 10 pick next year, the Browns front office has now leveraged themselves to pick a guy they are sold on if there were any doubt this year.

I know this burns some on here to make predictions prior to a snap, but it sure seems like we will be in position again to pick top 4 next year as well with such a challenging schedule and so many needs on the roster.

What does j/c mean?

I like the trade.

Between Tunsil, Ramsey, Buckner, Bosa, Jack, Stanley, Rankings--- Heargraves--Flyod---

How could I forget Zeke

One of these guys will be available at 8

j/c means just clicking .... as in, they aren't responding to that particular person, they're just clicking

anyways, looking at PHI's schedule next year ... they have a very tough one out of conference

I maybe a little gun shy at picking QB's high after all the busts we have had in Cleveland.. Especially when there's not really that guy.

Putting feelings aside, I kind of feel with this team and the QB class. I think maybe it's best to build a team to help the QB.. Then it is to take a chance on a QB to help the team.

Doesn't make sense, just kind of how I feel.

The biggest factor now is they need to hit on more picks then not.. If you have them, make them count.

I don't know where we'll be and I won't go so far as to make any predictions, but for arguments sake, let's say that Hue gets us to around a .500 record this season ( I think is a best case outcome for us). We'll still end up in the 12th-22nd pick range. I don't know enough about the Eagles, but I'll assume that even with Goff or Wentz, they don't exactly make it to the playoffs either.. so they end up in the same range.

Not a bad spot to be in with 2 picks if we find a QB Hue falls in love with 100% and we need to get up in to the Top 10 to get him.

And if we don't see that guy next season, it's still a pretty good position to be in because we can use one of them to trade back for a 2018 1st Rdr and still get an impact player in that range in 2017.

My gut feeling is that we still have a lot of trading to do as I think many other Dawgs surmise. I think we'll see a couple more trades that net us some picks next year as well.

I like it but, I hope we don't trade again (the 8th) as I would really like Buckner or Jack. Not sure if either will still be there at 8 but, hoping at least one of them will be.

Draft Lynch his year.

Draft Fournette and Myles Garrett next year.

I was one hoping we'd take wentz... I think he has a lot of upside but needs time... Guess we didn't want to give him time - hope he flops in philly biut I think he's gonna be good

Overall am sad we aren't going for a QB but understand the trade and like what we got back - I'm assuming we'll be in top three next year - hopefully we pick up a franchise QB next year

j/c

here is my opinion... I hated the QB class this year. I can't help but think they will be more 2013 or 2007 vs a class like 2004 or 2011.

I think next year will be a much better year for QB's and we have RG3 to try our for a year and fill about 3-4 more holes.

I also expect to be picking top 5- 10 next year with the ammo to move up to 1 if there is a stud.

who do you see as a very good QB option next year?

I like the trade. How good it ends up being depends entirely on how well we draft. We have a pretty bad track record, but this is a new FO, so here comes their test. I like that we have 2 different back-to-back pick pairs.

I don't like the idea of trading out of the #8. It's still a top 10 pick and we know the first 2 are QBs.

I know there's talk here of trading down from #32 because there will almost surely be someone there that should have gone in the first. To me, that's exactly the reason we should not trade down. It gives us a chance to evaluate the board overnight and pick wisely.

Deshaun Watson is the consensus guy as the top player and QB for 2017. But I've learned that a lot can happen in a year. I do think he's incredible and I love the way he fought, and led his team in the NC game.

This Eagles trade gives us a chip in that possibility.

Clemson is going to be really good next year, so he's going to be on the main stage every week in college football.

The second part, yes.

The first part, no.

We need weapons, not another project QB. If we could end up with Treadwell and Doctson, it'd be great.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_...-top-qb-in-2017

Don't worry: Browns have a great chance for a top QB in 2017
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Adam Schefter, Louis Riddick and Mark Schlereth analyze how the Browns' trading away the No. 2 overall pick to the Eagles affects them. (2:00)
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Conventional wisdom tells us that a quarterback-needy team with a high draft position should never trade down. Even a mediocre season, the thinking goes, would remove it from reasonable contention for a top quarterback in the following draft.

We know at least two things about the Cleveland Browns, who on Wednesday moved from the No. 2 spot to No. 8 in a blockbuster trade with the Philadelphia Eagles. One is that they have most certainly shifted away from conventional wisdom in every aspect of their operation. The other: Their roster is so barren that they stand an excellent chance of returning to the top of the draft in 2017.

In truth, this deal merely delayed the Browns' future quarterback plans -- and possibly for only a few hours -- while infusing additional opportunities to elevate their talent in the meantime. Perhaps they'll use the No. 8 pick to draft Memphis' Paxton Lynch or Michigan State's Connor Cook. Or maybe Hue Jackson, their quarterback guru of a coach, has identified a sleeper candidate to select in the second or third round.

If nothing else, the Browns will slog through what was already going to be a tough year and get a chance to do it all over again next year -- with a roster presumably enhanced by this trade. After losing 34 games in the past three years, they've parted ways with most of their productive veterans and will spend at least part of this season trying to resuscitate quarterback Robert Griffin III -- an experiment of the highest magnitude.
The Browns recently signed Robert Griffin III, making it easier to trade the second overall pick. AP Photo/David Dermer

If Jackson can resurrect Griffin's career, then the Browns won't need to draft a top-level quarterback in 2017. The same is true if Jackson connects with someone the Browns draft at No. 8 or lower this year.

In either event, however, the Browns appear on track to be one of the NFL's worst teams in 2016. It's difficult to look at their roster, and the competitiveness of their AFC North opponents, and think anything else. With any luck, they'll have their choice of 2017 quarterback class if they want it. (And, yes, it's twisted just to connect the Browns with "luck," even when it's associated with losing games.)

There is plenty of debate about the talent of the 2017 class, but I wouldn't panic about that discussion. There might not be an Andrew Luck on the way, but there will be a Jared Goff or a Carson Wentz or a Derek Carr. (At the very least, there will be a Deshaun Watson, the versatile playmaker from Clemson.) Projecting quarterback classes a year out is a near-pointless exercise from afar.

I don't know if the Browns have enough self-awareness to have considered their likely spot in the 2017 draft, or if they're simply following the discipline of value espoused by chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. To move down six spots, they acquired third- and fourth-round picks in this draft, a first-round pick in 2017 and a second-round choice in 2018. Quantity is important given the state of this roster, and in all likelihood, the opportunity to acquire quality at quarterback is just a matter of patience. Hang in there, Browns fans.

Related: It wouldn't be stunning if five quarterbacks, including Penn State's Christian Hackenberg, are selected in the first round of this draft.

Vers, I for one wanted to draft Wentz (remember I have been saying that all along); however, I also said that if we traded out of it that I would respect the decision of the FO because they know more than I do and I really don't know what their big picture QB wise is.

With that said, now that we have traded down, I do not believe any of those guys will be available at #8, therefore, I would say whoever the FO wants they should pick, I happen to like Reggie Ragland ILB. He has decent size, an attitude, he is a thumper, and most importantly he is a run stopper.

However, I do see the possibility of us moving down may be down to the NYJ position and picking up some additional draft picks. I don't like the idea, but I would think I could make sense depending on what the offer was.

You and I usually agree when it comes to QB's. we've had this conversations before. Because my son plays QB, I've learned so much about the position... it's kind of annoying to see the small stuff that you have pointed out before I really cared about the QB position 7-8 years ago.

Positive trade down reviews (I would post negative ones, but I haven't found them yet):

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-d...-from-no-2-pick

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/152821...al-philadelphia

SD is most likely shopping the #3 pick now as teams may pay up for BPA. Here's an interesting fact.

In the history of the draft there were 3 times that both the #1 and #2 picks were traded. In all 3 of those drafts the #3 pick was traded as well.



The first 3 picks are set in stone with the Rams and Eagles possibly drafting the other QB.

1) Los Angeles Rams: Carson Wentz
2) Philadelphia Eagles: Jared Goff
3) San Diego Chargers: Jalen Ramsey, CB/S


4) Dallas Cowboys: Joey Bosa, DE

I'm pretty certain on this one too. Bosa will keep butts in the seats and JJ cares little about character issues.

5) Jacksonville Jaguars: Myles Jack

They will take a front 7 player, but it could be Buckner.

6) Baltimore Ravens: Laremy Tunsil

They luck into the best LT in the draft. I'm pretty certain about this one too.

7) San Francisco 49ers: Ronnie Stanley

I am most uncertain about this pick. The 49ers have a lot of needs and there are many directions they could go. What I would really like to happen is for them to reach for Paxton Lynch or someone to trade above them to to take him.

8) Cleveland Browns: The choice would have to be between Buckner or Hargreaves IMHO. I would have been happy if we took Buckner at #2. Of course we could trade down again. As Steve already mention the value in this draft is between 20 and 60.

What say Ye?

trade back again with Miami, who will want Elliot

What I expect to see is the Browns trying to package pick # 77 and pick # 100 to move up into the 2nd round. Pick # 32 in any other year would be considered a 1st round pick, so package the plethora of lower round picks (non-compensatory) to move up into the second round and pick up another starter.

Trading up requires giving up picks. I don't think we are in the "giving up picks" business.

More swings, more chance at success.

It would be funny if they traded back up for their own pick.

I don't think this will happen. It defeats the purpose of the trade, which was to obtain more draft picks.

I'd trade 2 threes to get into 2nd round. And I'd trade 2 fourth rd picks to get into third. Maybe even 2 5ths to get into fourth round.

I think it's one thing to get as many picks as you can when you can, but it's another to say what yo actually do with those picks once you have them i.e. do we actually draft 12 players in one year? Once you;ve acquired all those picks you can really go one of two ways: 1) literally draft 12 players and see who shakes out... play the numbers game. OR you can use some of the picks on the back end to move back up where you/re at least a little more likely to pick up guys that will make the roster and contribute.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to spend a lot to get back in to the 2nd, but I wouldn't be surprised if we managed a couple more picks in the 3rd and 4th Rds... and saw an exchange for other teams future picks as part of the deals.

trade down for center and a couple of receivers. Where have I seen this before?