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Actually, skilled welders make pretty good money. At least, around here. So do plumbers, and electricians, etc. Now, they don't make family doctor money, they don't make exec. money, they don't make insurance agent money.

Too many people want to sit in an office in front of a computer.

Education is great, don't get me wrong. But you can make a very decent living working in a trade.

And, that brings up an entirely different subject: What's a "decent" living? Aside from the obvious - being able to afford housing, clothes, and food - what is a "decent" living?

Americans want want want - more more more - hey, my neighbor has X, I want one too. (I used to be that way, not as much anymore I think)

Give it a rest. I don't want your money, I want a level playing field that allows people to prosper. Personally, I'll be fine. But there is a huge issue here and if you are too blind to see it, then I feel sorry for you, I really do.

I know we grew up in different times and you surely will agree to that. Hell when I was little, Moms only worked for "EXTRA" money. And even minimum wage jobs were enough to live on. Try that today.

When I was in my 20s you could rent a big house for a couple hundred a month. 5-6 hundred put you in a helluva home. Today it cost that much to rent an apartment.

I remember bread for a dime, gas under 50 cents a gallon and hamburger under 40 cents a pound. Just 20 years ago I bought steak for less than you pay for hamburger today, GOOD STEAK too, not this crap they pass off as steak today.

Now incomes are up compared to back then, but they have nowhere nearly kept up proportionally with prices. PERIOD.

No, you guys don't want a level playing field because you want other people to pay for your wants in life.

Go out and learn a Trade and make money while you learn it and even more money when you are finished with training.

Use that money to pay for college in a few years and you will end up as a college grad who has a Trade to fall back on.

It is called hard work and making something of yourselves!

man, i guess joining the Army was a waste of time in your eyes then.

guess i need to go be a plumber OCD!!!! then i'll finally get some respect around here lmao.

imma wear the tight khakis that way my plumbers crack is shown in all it's glory.

You need to do whatever you have to do in order to succeed!

How long have you been out of the Military now?

Like a year and a half.

See I'm using my GI Bill.

But that doesn't mean the cost of tuition isn't out of control. This crap is ridiculous.

I already posted why tuition is high.

After two years in the Trades you could be pulling down $30-$40 Grand a year. College is more affordable to someone like that.

Journeyman Welder Salary in Fairfax County, Virginia
The average yearly salary for Journeyman Welder in Fairfax County, Virginia is $83,655. If you are just beginning to work a new job as a Journeyman Welder in Fairfax County, Virginia, you could earn a starting pay rate of $68,892 annually. As is true for most jobs and careers, you can expect your hourly pay rate or salary to increase as you gain experience and the longer you are employed with the same employer. In Fairfax County you could potentially make an average income of around $98,418 after several years on the job with increased wages. When pursuing your career of choice, you should compare salaries of similar professions and factor in variables such as health benefits and potential for raises and promotions over time.

So, in that respect alone, joining the army wasn't a waste of time. (and I don't mean that you joined JUST for the GI bill - don't take it that way. All that serve make sacrifices way beyond )

The cost of tuition is a concern. There are myriad reasons for it as well. I've spoken about it before. A PART of the cost is colleges are businesses in the education field. The customers are students. To attract, and "sell" a student, schools spend all kinds of loot on things. "Things" Rec centers, apartments instead of dorms, 25 different food service stations, etc etc.

You are using the GI bill as it was designed.

Now, think about those that don't have the GI bill. They're paying a lot more.

It would be nice of you to split your GI bill money with a student that doesn't get that money. That would be the liberal thing to do.

I get it - you earned that money. I get it. But some kid in class with you needs it as well. Maybe even more. Won't you share?

(and swish, I know you don't care for me much. That's fine. But, I hope you can see and understand the broader point I'm making here. I'm not attacking you personally in any way.)

the problem is i would should if i could, but i can't.

the gi bill is designed to only serve either the service member, or the family.

i can't transfer my full GI bill benefit to my kids because i only did 8 years. the requirement is 10.

and i can't transfer it to some random person.

which is why i keep bringing up the example since nobody wants to respond.

are you saying you were fine paying for a fraudulent war but not ok paying for your own americans to get an education?

we can come up with funds to bomb people with but won't come up with funds to at least make sure the tuition doesn't keep rising.

it's funny how we complain about the government not caring about the betterment of our country while simultaneously not giving a damn about the betterment of our country.

man, our government is absolutely a direct reflection of the population at large.

Not that we don't need tradesmen, but to be forced to be a tradesmen because school is too much money for you is kind of like saying "You're too poor to be a doctor, now go be a microwave repairman until you can afford school."

Is this what we've become? I mean I understand hard work and paying your dues better than most, but really? This is flat out economic class oppression! Hey you untouchable (poor people), your kids can dig ditches because rich kids don't have to do that, they get to go to college. HARD WORK and all...

Swish I served too and even though I wouldn't trade it for anything, your service means little when the conversation is about money and economic status. Those perks are reserved for the well to do and their children.

So consider yourself lucky that you get to struggle through and slave for the education for the next ten years, that's more than most will get.

yea man, i'm forced to get a degree because the reality is that my military experience means very little in the world i wanted to get into.

no offense to anybody on this board (DC i know you work in that construction business) but man, i did 8 years being a grunt. if i get out the military, and the only thing i can do without a degree is construction, well damn, i might as well stayed in the Army if i was just gonna slave out in the heat all freaking day.

OCD, i know you understand what i'm saying. we was forced to slave outside all day, i'm not gonna just volunteer to do that crap when i'm out.

i don't want to be a damn welder. i want to work in international trade. or at NATO, the UN, Interpol, CIA, FBI.

don't want to be no damn welder. the hell? i could've reclassed my MOS in the army and been a damn welder. no disrespect to anybody in the trade professions, either.

but i might as well stayed in iraq for that nonsense.

Look, I know you can't split it.

But, did you get the point I was making? If so, say. If not, say.

Or, let me spell it out for you. You earned the GI bill. But some don't have the GI bill. However, the fact that you earned it and they didn't shouldn't stop them from getting it as well, right?

(and again, I'm using the word "you", but not necessarily meaning "swish")

There are people here that want others to pay for what they can't get. It's only "fair", they say.


As to your other point, about the money on the war. Keep in mind, that money was borrowed. We'll be paying on it for, probably, ever. So, it's not like that money was sitting there waiting to be spent.

The best way to get out of debt is to start by not getting deeper in debt.

i get exactly what you're saying. and i mostly agree with it. sorry if i didn't make that clear.

i'm simply saying there are ways we can atleast keep the tuition rates for public schools from rising.

isn't that a fair compromise?

I know if I were hiring an employee, the person that had been in the military would get hired before an equally qualified person that hadn't.

Why? Because in my experience, former military (rule of thumb here, okay) show up, do their job, and are willing to do more if needed.

I know there are some poor work attitude vets. In fact, off the top of my head, I can name 4 from around here that think their service of 3-5 years earned them the right to not work again. I think of them as the exception, rather than the rule.

Absolutely.

And like I said, there are many many reasons for the cost of tuition going up. I don't like it one bit. Colleges are businesses. Education is what they sell, but to sell their product, they have to attract students. (customers). To do that, they put huge dollars into buildings, activity centers, pensions (pensions are on the way out, by the way - they cost too much)...... salaries, sports, etc. JMO

This attitude of yours is why we have the poor, generation after generation after generation.

I wanna be a doctor so give me the education I am entitled to!

Working my way up is beneath my dignity!

I should be handed the same position that others had to work to earn. I am entitled to the wealth of the rich.

Is this what we have become as a Nation? Shame!

Go ahead, Donald, get 1,237; it won't matter: RNC delegate

Donald Trump may be the only Republican presidential candidate who can realistically hit the magic 1,237 number for the majority of delegates, but according to a senior Republican National Committee official that does not mean he will become the GOP presidential nominee.

Curly Haugland, a longstanding RNC official and an unbound delegate from North Dakota who will be on the convention rules committee in July, told CNBC that attaining 1,237 during the primaries does not secure the nomination.

"Even if Trump reaches the magic number of 1,237 the media and RNC are touting, that does not mean Trump is automatically the nominee," Haugland said. "The votes earned during the primary process are only estimates and are not legal convention votes. The only official votes to nominate a candidate are those that are cast from the convention floor."
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/go-ahead-donald-get-1237-it-wont-matter-rnc-delegate.html

There will be riots in Trump isn't nominated. You don't crap on voters like that.

I already bought my beach chair from Dicks sporting goods. Fits perfectly in the back of the truck.

I hope this happens. I didn't do all this prep work for no reason.

Try this one on for size...

Virginia Governor Restores Voting Rights to Felons


WASHINGTON — Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia used his executive power on Friday to restore voting rights to more than 200,000 convicted felons, circumventing the Republican-run legislature. The action overturns a Civil War-era provision in the state’s Constitution aimed, he said, at disenfranchising African-Americans.

-The Fix is in.

The Dems aren't much better with their rigged election.

Nobody has moral high ground. So I agree with you.
But it doesn't matter. Because this GOP train wreck has nuclear warheads attached to it.

Now, which beverage will I bring to watch the festivities

He only restored their voting rights after they've served their time. 40 states have a variation of the same thing. After their sentence, after their sentence + parole, after their sentence + parole + probation.

Restored, not restored... it's not like anybody's vote actually counts. It's all just a big reality show put on by big business and the special interest. At the end of the day, they pick the president no matter which party it is.

What convenient timing for Hillary.

What vantage point will we watch the insanity from? I hear there's an observation deck on the terminal tower.

Isn't your military experience paying for your college education? Isn't that kind of the point?

I mean, it's not the traditional route, but you don't have to work, your college is paid for, and you are driving a sweet BMW.. all as a result of your service...

Maybe I'm reading your post wrong but if you are complaining, I'm not sure what you are complaining about.

Not really. I've made it clear throughout my time here I didn't join for college reasons.

It's an unintended benefit. But I was gonna go to college one way or another, student debt or not.

And welders don't have to deal with jihads planting ied's on the side of the road.

So as far as I'm concerned, no that isn't the point.

The point is that tuition is out of control. We can't complain foreign workers from India and China then turn around and be like this on our future youth.

But if you think the student debt and tuitions is fine. More power to you.

I don't, and never will

Maybe. But I wanna be able to leave before the crazies waving the confederate flags come out.

I'm not staying for the Klan rally

Yooooooo lmao

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-lookalike-says-she-201800159.html

If I'm suppose to feel bad for laughing, all well

I think you read some things into my post that I didn't intend to put there.. first I never compared having a job as a welder to what happens in a combat area..

Second, I didn't mean to imply that joined BECAUSE of the college benefit..

So maybe I missed your point completely... wouldn't be the first time.


I think tuition is ridiculous and I have laid out my views on why it's ridiculous a number of times.

You were making the point about essentially paying your way, like a normal job.

But you still have to pay for trade school. If you're gonna pay for school, why waste time?

It seems like this board doesn't pick up with current trends.

europe and Asia are sending their youngest and brightest.

The methods of paying your way through 2 decades ago is another reason of a truck load full of why we never seem to compete in the global market.

Going that way of.... Let's say slow pace, just doesn't work anymore.

And it's also doesn't work with the current prices of school.

I was trying to say that you were getting a benefit from your service..


Sending them where? Aren't a lot of them sending them HERE?


How are we not competing?

Now we could talk a little more about this "slow pace" since I'm not 100% sure what you are talking about.. elaborate please.

Yes, they are sending them here. So guess who's NOT getting hired, DC.

You're the one said months ago that there are plenty of jobs but nobody has the qualifications for.

I hope you're not trying to back pedal now.

I just feel like the work you're way through school pace is too slow and mainly too expensive to pull off nowadays. For that to work, they have to pull way more hours to reasonably pay for school than you guys did back in the day.

And guess what? 20 years from now, the way I did might not be possible anymore. I realize that.

And it's all good. And that's fine, we progress. But you gotta understand that.

The way the global economy is, we could very well get left in the dust, as far as labor force goes.

And the insane cost of school in this country is gonna be a big reason for it if we don't get it together.

We got left in the dust years ago.

Well that's depressing

Well, its nothing that Technology can't fix!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a30_1461388050

So one of the Koch brothers gave a passive endorsement to Hillary.. to those on the left, isn't that kind of like getting an endorsement from the Klan?

Yes. Koch is scum.

Koch basically put out a warning, he will not support anyone at this point, including Hillary, unless everyone's actions are different than their current rhetoric.

If there are changes, he could support anyone.