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Posts like this drive me nuts. It's NOT about me.

I support the trade. If it doesn't work out, I will admit I was wrong. I could care less what guys like you think of me, so I never feel the need to "straddle" the fence.

What I was referring to is that if [let's assume the second pick is] Wentz studs out and the Browns end up w/a bunch of "guys," the media and public reaction will be insanely harsh.

Thus, the phrase that Pit used: "they better be right" is extremely accurate. Because if a FO is wrong about such decisions and the public outcry is loud and negative, those FO guys LOSE their jobs. That is not BS. That is not speculation. It is a fact.

Again, I like the trade. I do think there are risks and I understand what Pit, and some others, are saying/thinking. I do get sick of guys like you and mgh trashing posters like Pit [in this example] for having alternative takes. His take is not ignorant. Quite the contrary.

And back to me liking the trade. It doesn't freaking matter. I am just a dolt on a message board. Sashi and company are the ones who "better be right," because if they are not, they will lose their jobs.

Once again you are suggesting that Hue has the final say. When looking at the structure of the Browns organization, it seems there are rungs on the ladder higher than Hue. One is the head of the coaching staff. Others are in the FO. Did I miss where the Browns told us Hue was in charge of the draft?



Not quite. Let me tell you what it is. It's realizing that this FO has never conducted a draft. It's realizing that you have no reason to agree or disagree with their decisions because they don't have the draft experience to draw any conclusions about.

It's the common sense to understand that this thing could play out either way and stating such. I'm not going to go blindly into a process of this draft going rah rah or bah humbug. I am however going to begin to form my opinion based on their performance. I don't simply form an opinion by becoming a blind follower without any real evidence to base that opinion on.



I didn't know expecting people that make seven digit salaries to do their job well was "coming out with Pitchforks". I guess accountability has somehow suddenly become a bad word. lol



The only thing I've said is they had better be right. Where are all of the people who got it wrong before them? lol

EVERY teams highest priority is to get a franchise QB. Especially if they fall in their lap in the draft. I have never said there was going to be a franchise QB at #2. I never said it was done against Haslams wishes. He owns the team. They have no choice but do what he wants if he tells them to.

All I know is IF a franchise QB falls in your lap in the draft, you don't pass on him. And that's a well known fact, not rocket science.

I mentioned this somewhere in one of these threads recently. I believe that if someone thought there was a chance a franchise QB would be there at 2 then we would not have made this trade now but waited to see who went #1 and who was left at 2. Just because we need a QB and would have had a chance at one of the top 2 does not mean we pass on a trade just to take a QB high.

Cap, w/all due respect.......and you know I think highly of you.......obviously someone thought enough of the second qb in order for them to make the trade to move up and get him, right?

Again, I like the trade...........but, I always was in favor of trading down. I just think it is premature to say they made the right move or not. They better hope they are right. I get that.

I agree.

I am 100% confident that Hue had a lot of input in to this decision because it involved a QB evaluation. I am also 100% confident that had Hue wanted either of the QB's over the extra picks, we would have stayed at #2.

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That's basically all I hear you saying as well. However, that is something all of us, every one of us already knows. That's nothing to argue over or even discuss for that matter, certainly not something that should have to be defended. It's not like a unique opinion.

What I think you miss is how it can sound, like, "You better clean up that mess." Or, "You better quit mouthing off to me." Or, "You better stop touching my butt." In other words, repeated often enough it begins to sound like a threat. That's where the "pitchfork" and "contempt" comments come from.

Just tryin' to help.

It must be me. I must of missed the part where they leave the Head Coach out of it. The part where they forget to ask the QB guy on his opinion on a QB.



Oh okay, because to the rest of the world, when you talk about how they have failed on their #1 mandate this season even before the draft has started, sounds a little like you have already made up your mind one way or another. Especially since we don't know that a franchise QB was their #1 mandate, or if their was a franchise QB in the draft, or that ignored Hue and made a decision on their own, or about 1000 other things you pretend to know over the selected few.




Most people actually wait till after the draft actually happens before they rip it apart, but to each his own I guess.



No it isn't



Which QB are you going on record with saying that he's a franchise QB?



Look at the quote right above this one.



Then his motivation that he has to fire them seems a bit iffy. You seem pretty certain that he'll pull the trigger quickly.



I know for sure that I didn't claim that you understood rocket science. Who is the franchise QB that we are passing on? I don't think anyone sees a sure thing at QB in this draft. If that franchise QB happens to be drafted in the 2nd round this year, do you envision 32 GM's getting fired? After all, if not knowing that he's a franchise QB before the draft is not an excuse then all of them should be fired for passing on him round one.

Here's the #1 mandate for every team in the NFL.

Score more points than the other team.

I ain't buying that. I see it as you defending bullies who are mocking a man's valid opinion.

Ugh! Another day in the life of a Browns fan looking for intellectual stimulation about his team and the draft. Maybe we should rename this thread "As the Dawg Biscuit Crumbles". Can we get back on track a little and stop fighting and bickering like a bunch of Mean Girls in high school?

I agree.

But, when was the last time this thread really was on track? Seriously.

Did you reference your "Those Who Defend Bullies" list and find me on it?

I should have sent that to Pit in a PM but wanted the "bullies" to look at it from a slightly different angle to see that he's not carrying a pitchfork and how that is being misunderstood.

If you can't see that then put me on that list if I'm not already on it. I'd hate to spend any time without a label, I'd lose my identity.

You have already established your identity. You are a positive person and anyone who questions the FO is a negative person. And piling on a minority poster by calling them negative or trolls is a sure sign of a positive person.

It's good to see that you aren't applying those labels Verse.

You just made a list. Probably earned a label too.

Believe me, boys............you've already attached labels to my name.

I got one my first day here. He even made a special post for me.

Stick together. Safety in numbers.



I'll put it to you this way. While I might not agree w/Pit's takes on the whether or not we should have traded down or not........his posts did not deserve all the ridicule from the bullies on this board.

Believe me, there are a lot of dumb things being said on this board. His comments were not out of line. They just went against the majority who has some perverse need to categorize everyone as either a homer or a hater.

How about we evaluate each move as it occurs? What is so freaking wrong w/saying this move is good and that move is bad? Why does EVERY FREAKING MOVE have to be placed in an all good or all bad category?

STOP!!!!

So only argue with the guys that you label the other side.

Got ya!

This might be something that you haven't thought of, but my viewpoint differs from his and thus I am debating his viewpoint.

I'll actually at least wait till we draft someone before I call for firing the front office and will probably give it even longer than that. I don't make any promises though.

Whether you like it or not or choose to defend him by labeling me is of no consequence to me.

No. I am actually on "your side" in this particular argument. I love the trade.

I just try and be fair and while I don't agree w/Pit about the trade, I don't think it is fair that you guys are ridiculing him for his opinions.

Like I said earlier and everyone ignored. The comment about "they better be right" is dead on. Not because of winning some meaningless, stupid message board battle that most of America doesn't give a rat's butt about............but because if Wentz/Goff turns out to be excellent QBs and we draft a bunch of "guys," the guys in the FO will almost certainly be fired.

Not sure what is so hard to understand about that?????????????

You don't get it Verse. You are not on my side of this argument.

I support this trade. Thus, I will support it if turns out bad. It was the right choice with the data I have now and that won't change.

You support this trade. Unless the Eagle's QB studs out. Then you agree with PitDawg and the front office should be fired. WHich means that you really don't support the FO even when they do things that you agree with. It's not something that you can pick both sides on.

It's either the right thing to do or the wrong thing to do. It's not the right thing unless the wrong thing. It's one or the other.

If I disagree then I must be a homer just out to label PitDawg.

But if you agree, then you have to agree even when he says that it is every NFL teams #1 mandate to get a franchise QB and it's our #1 mandate this year. You have to actually say that you are wrong and we should have drafted a QB with that #2 pick. You have to agree that Hue has no input in the QB decision, because those were the things I was arguing without making it homer vs hater.

It's only when you come in to help those you choose as downtrodden that those homer/hater labels seem to come out.