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I would be happy with Coleman and Treadwell with 8 and 32.

Sashi Brown says Browns “know who we’ll be taking”

Posted by Zac Jackson on April 25, 2016, 8:33 PM EDT

With approximately 72 hours until the 2016 NFL Draft, the Browns’ draft board is set.

In an appearance on a team-owned pre-draft radio show Monday night, Browns executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown said the team is going through “every scenario” it may encounter when the draft begins but is ready.

“We’re set, locked in, know who we’ll be taking,” Brown said.

The Browns traded back six spots last week, picking up a 2017 first-round pick and a 2018 second-round pick from the Eagles in a swap that gave the Eagles the No. 2 pick in this year’s draft. The Browns, Brown said, are prepared to turn in a pick at No. 8.

Brown clearly isn’t going to reveal much, but he said the team is also ready if its targeted player is selected before No. 8.

“If that player is not there, or if we get another offer that just blows our socks off, we’ll know how to react to that,” Brown said. “These last couple of days for us are really about testing ourselves if so and so calls, or if this player is no longer available and making sure that we have a good understanding of how we’ll react, how we think about it, what choices we want to make and what tradeoffs those opportunities, pros and cons, provide for us.

“We just got out of quite a long session with our leadership team and (coach) Hue (Jackson) to talk through a lot of those scenarios, and we’ll do that once again before Thursday night.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/25/sashi-brown-says-browns-know-who-well-be-taking/

Me too! That would instantly change our WR group.

I get the feeling that often times our prior regimes had a player they wanted at a certain spot and if he wasn't they were surprised and had no backup plan.

I firmly believe that when Farmer traded back in the 2014 draft, the plan was to pick Mike Evans. But when TB took him we weren't ready and Gilbert was a guy we took without fully vetting him. Which is why we ended up with a guy who couldn't care less about playing football.

No insider info, just the feel I had. Very possible that none of the above is true at all but it seems like that is the way we have been operating. Nice to hear before that draft that we are considering all possible scenarios.

Mike Silver is reporting that Chargers are even considering Staley @ #3....smokescreen?

he's been a hot player the past few days ... shooting up draft boards

But they do list Spence as Ohio State.

No QB in the 1st round after the top two

I think there could be as many as 5 QB's taken in the 1st round. There are still some desperate teams out there.

I think it is now obvious that the Browns' FO have a true and intelligent plan with contingencies.

Link


Browns' Sashi Brown: 'We're locked in' on player at 8 but will trade if he's gone or a team 'blows our socks off'

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Browns' head of football operations Sashi Brown said Monday the Browns have a certain player targeted at No. 8 overall in Thursday night's draft.


"We're set, locked in, know who we'll be taking,'' Brown said on the team's own draft preview special on 92.3 The Fan. "And if that player's not there, or if we get another offer that just blows our socks off, we'll know how to react to that.''

The Browns have the No. 8 overall pick after trading down from No. 2 with the Eagles. They've provided no clues as to which player they're targeting, but will be ready for all possibilities in the event he's gone.

Some possibilities for the Browns at No. 8 include Ohio State running back Ezekiel Elliott, Ohio State defensive end Joey Bosa, Notre Dame offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley, Michigan State offensive lineman Jack Conklin, Oregon defensive lineman DeForest Buckner, quarterback Paxton Lynch and receiver LaQuon Treadwell.

"Stay calm and keep an open mind,'' Brown said of his approach to his first draft as the man in charge. "And then make great decisions, go into the draft knowing the players that you want, have conviction and don't worry about the 'what might've been' but just make the best possible decision for yourself. Be prepared for every type of scenario that might come up. That's what we're going through now."

Paxton Lynch, Ezekiel Elliott and 6 other options for the Browns at 8

Paxton Lynch, Ezekiel Elliott and 6 other options for the Browns at 8

The Browns can still find their QB of the future at No. 8 in Paxton Lynch. Or will they trade down again for more picks?

In addition to the No. 8 overall pick, the Browns have the No. 32 pick and six in the first 100. They're tied with San Francisco with a league-high 12 selections in the selection meeting, including the two extra they acquired in the blockbuster trade with the Eagles.

The draft marks the first for the new leadership team of Brown, Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta, Vice President of Player Personnel Andrew Berry and coach Hue Jackson.

"We just got out of quite a long session with our leadership team and Hue to talk through a lot of those scenarios and we'll do that once again before Thursday night,'' he said. "These last couple of days for us are really about testing ourselves if so and so calls, or if this player is no longer available and making sure that we have a good understanding of how we'll react, how we think about it, what choices we want to make and what tradeoffs those opportunities, pros and cons, provide for us," he said.

Countdown to No. 32: Tom Reed

With their bounty of picks, Brown says "you can change your franchise and we believe we're well-positioned to do that,'' he said.

Brown stressed that the club will abide by the best-available-player credo.

"We don't want to get to a place where we're thinking of the current needs of the roster and pass over better football players,'' he said. "So you take the guy you feel like can best impact you winning and we certainly feel like that's kind of our mantra and our central theme. Sometimes position does play into that decision and we're not blind to what the roster is. But at the same time, we're not going to take a worse player because we're already set or we have less of a need."

One of the main criteria for the Browns this year is sheer passion for the game — something that got the previous regime in trouble when they drafted players such as Johnny Manziel and Justin Gilbert, who didn't have football at the top of their list.
"I'll tell you, in terms of what we think is critical to the guys we'll bring to the roster — particularly high in the draft — is that they love football," Brown said. "Yes, they're talented but we want guys that love to play, that play a hard tough brand of football."

The Browns have a dozen chances to get it right this weekend.

I'd take that in a heartbeat.

Hater!!! LOL Just kidding Vers.

Can you tell me what 4.88 yds/route means? Less than 5 yds/catch doesn't seem like a gaudy (good) number, it sounds like a holy shit bad number. Thanks.

It's per route, so he doesn't necessarily get the ball.

I have a question for the draftnics on the board ......

It seems like there are going to be a lot of really good players available in the 2nd round of this draft. Would that he the opinion of those who follow the draft more closely?

It looks like a lot of guys who have been identified as 1st round talent are going to slip into the 2nd.

If this is the case, then doesn't it make sense to maximize the 2nd round, adding as many picks in the 2nd as possible, even if that means trading down from 8? (and maybe a few spots down from 32 as well)

If i can move from 8 to the middle of the 1st, and add an early to mid 2nd round pick, I probably make that deal. Maybe I try to trade with someone holding 2 2nd round picks, and trade our #8 pick and one of our 3rd rounders for their mid 1st, and 2 2nds.

I also do think that Sashi Brown may be setting up for a trade from 8 with his whole "We know who we're taking at 8 ..... unless ......." bit.

What does that mean though? He gets at least 4.88 yds/route. I still don't understand. I'm sorry I am a very visual person and I'm good with numbers but route doesn't equate to catching the ball or yds after catch. I'm just trying to understand the construct of the statement. Thanks.

There is always lots of value in the second round. The players are still very talented and the contracts are pretty cheap. Also, teams boards' vary greatly, so a player that might have fallen to the second round could be the 16th player on a team's board.

In this particular draft it seems like opinions vary greatly on a lotof players. For example, I have heard many people in the media say that Tunsil is the best overall player in the draft. I have also heard others say that some teams have him as the third tackle (behind Stanley and Conklin).

This draft seems to be predicated more on preference than any other in other recent memory. There are guys that are going to fall because they are just not fits. Also, it seems like there is not much difference between player 15 and player 62. When that is the case, trading down and acquiring more assets is usually a good idea.

My guess is that we will be trading down several times and picking up more future picks than is the norm. I believe the future picks are an undervalued asset and that's what "Moneyball" is all about (finding inefficiencies and exploiting them). The one draft we had with Joe Banner, who was heavily into analytics, we traded several picks for future picks. I'd expect more of that this week.

Let's say a player runs twenty-five routes per game. He gets thrown the ball and catches it on eight of those plays for 150 yards. His yards per catch would be 18.75 for the game (total number of yards / number of catches). His yards per route run would be 6 (total number of yards / routes run).

Here is PFF's explanation:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/13/sig-stats-yprr-wide-receivers/

Thanks cfrs! So if I am understanding it is just an average of yardage gained per the receiver's opportunity to be targeted as run plays a receiver would obviously not be a target and should not be counted towards that players stats. I guess when put that way and looking at the stats provided about NFL receivers 4.88 would be huge. Again thanks for making me a little smarter.

There was really no Tier one type talent in this draftoutside of myabe Buckner and tunsil. the next 65-70 imho opinion are of a tier 2 quality and its just whatever guy you believe in.

I think treadwell is right behind buckner and Tunsil and yet many have him as a late first talent. I think Vernon Butler is probably the 2nd best defensive player in the draft, he is likely to go late first to mid 2nd.

I have seen Shaq Lawson listed anywhere between 4 and 28. Noah spence between 9 and 50 lol

there is just such a huge drop off after the late 2nd early 3rd area. Get as many top 70 as you can get in this draft and everyone has the potential to be a starter.

That is my impression as well.

I was reminded of the thread that had different trade scenarios, and one was trading the #8 overall to the Titans for 3 second round picks. (33, 43, 45)

While that would leave us without a 1st round pick, it would give us 4 second round picks, all in the top 45 picks. I think that I would be inclined to drop out of the 1st if that trade came our way. We would own not only the 1st pick in the 2nd round, but the 2nd pick as well. I think there would be value there, or we could just stand pat and pick our choice of the top 2 players who fall out of the 1st round.

I think about that scenario, and we would have 4 seconds, 2 thirds, and 3 fourths ..... with a whopping 8 picks in the top 100. Man, I think that we could get well in a hurry. We could also use a pick or 2 from the 5th - 7th rounds to trade for future value as well. Maybe a 5th becomes a future 4th, and a 6th becomes a future 5th. (ala banner)

I just think that we could rack up huge value in this draft, this year and into the future.

I would not do that trade. I would however move down 7 spots for that 33. I bleieve we can still get tremendous value at 15.

The number of yards gained divided by the number of routes ran. That number is very high. Amari Cooper's yards per route was 3.97.

I guess it's the time of the year where I have to start following Jason La Canfora on Twitter again.

Memphis, I have actually been hearing teams like Conklin better than Stanley and Conklin will be the 2nd tackle off the board. Treadwell would make me very happy. I would be very much in favor of that selection.

Makes a lot more sense but I still think that would be too high for Conklin.

If the Browns draft Conklin at #8, it's because they think he's a safe pick, not because he's BPA.

How do you know that?

It's interesting you say that. Is there not room for being the "best" player available when factoring in things like injury or personal concerns? Or does it always mean the best player on the field? I'm not asking you specificially Pit, it's just your response that made me want to ask the question.

Or they could think he is the best player, but their evaluation is wrong.

Yeah, that's always the risk but I would personally rate a guy lower due to off the field stuff making someone else "better". So my BPA strategy would be different than just taking the best college football player I could find.

I'm not a draft expert or anything like that. But I feel there are a few posters which can vouch for my ability to evaluate OL talent.

Now I'm not nearly as high on this class of OT's as some are. Tunsil will never be a Joe Thomas, that I can promise you. And the talent just goes down from there. I believe that DE, DT and CB are a more highly talented group in this draft from the top down.

So if you're drafting the third or fourth best OT in this draft at #8, you're overlooking much greater talent at other positions. We were just told by Sashi they were going to draft BPA only and not based on need at positions.

So if that is true, you won't be drafting the third or fourth rated OT at #8. If I were to take a guess on where Conklin should be projected, the earliest I could place him is in the mid 20's.

Truth. But, of course, they are still going to tell you how dumb you are.

Umm, I think you read that wrong Pitt. I don't think he said they were going to go BPA exclusively, but that they would not pass on a player they have rated higher than a position of need regardless of the status of that position on the team. Does that make sense or did I just say the same thing you did in a different way? I'm nucking futz

Unless he isn't your third or fourth rated tackle.

That is the way you evaluated him. That doesn't mean the team views him the same way.

If they picks an OT at 8 whose name is not Tunsil, i will puke. They bungle the Schwartz negotiations (yes, they did) and then spend the top pick trying to make up for it? No thanks. We need an impact guy. Get an OL guy later, make it work.

Over the years Pit's been pretty solid on his OL evaluations.

1. Jared Goff
2. Carson Wentz
3. Laremy Tunsil
4. Eziekiel Elliott
5. Joey bosa
6. Myles Jack
7. Ronnie Stanley
8. Deforest Buckner
9. Vernon Hargreaves
10. Leonars floyed
11. A'shawn Robinson
12. Paxton Lynch
13. Shaq Lawson
14. Reggie Ragland
15. Jack Conklin
16. Kevin Dodd
17. Darron Lee
18. William Jackson LII
19. Robert Nkemdiche
20. Eli Apple
21. Jarran Reed
22. Corey Coleman
23. Laquon Treadwell
24. Moritz Boehringer
25. Artie Burns
26. Germain Ifedi
27. Sheldon Rankins
28. Michael Thomas
29. Mackensie Alexander
30. Vernon Butler
31. Connor Cook