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I like Jack and Eliott. The one player that would be outside of the Box would be Rankins.
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I'm not a draft expert or anything like that. But I feel there are a few posters which can vouch for my ability to evaluate OL talent. Now I'm not nearly as high on this class of OT's as some are. Tunsil will never be a Joe Thomas, that I can promise you. And the talent just goes down from there. I believe that DE, DT and CB are a more highly talented group in this draft from the top down. 8 So if you're drafting the third or fourth best OT in this draft at #8, you're overlooking much greater talent at other positions. We were just told by Sashi they were going to draft BPA only and not based on need at positions. So if that is true, you won't be drafting the third or fourth rated OT at #8. If I were to take a guess on where Conklin should be projected, the earliest I could place him is in the mid 20's. Correct... We won't drafting Jason Spriggs or Taylor Decker@ 8.
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So if you're drafting the third or fourth best OT in this draft at #8, you're overlooking much greater talent at other positions.
That isn't necessarily true. In this draft it almost certainly is, but just because a guy is #1 at his position doesn't mean he is better than the 3rd guy at another position. What if the draft includes Anthony Munoz, Orlando Pace and Joe Thomas. What if that draft had Trent Richardson as the #1 ranked Rb. Would you rather have the #1 Rb or the #3 OT? Maybe I'm being a little hypercritical on this point but it's one of my pet peeves. It just is not a valid argument. I believe you meant don't take an OT if there is better talent at another position. And I agree with that, just not the method of trying to validate your point. And you aren't the only person who has done this.
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So if that is true, you won't be drafting the third or fourth rated OT at #8. If I were to take a guess on where Conklin should be projected, the earliest I could place him is in the mid 20's. Unless he isn't your third or fourth rated tackle. That is the way you evaluated him. That doesn't mean the team views him the same way. Over the years Pit's been pretty solid on his OL evaluations. I am not questioning PitDawg's offensive line evaluations. He said that if we take a non-Tunsil linemen, then we are not taking the best player available. He does not know our board.
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If they picks an OT at 8 whose name is not Tunsil, i will puke. They bungle the Schwartz negotiations (yes, they did) and then spend the top pick trying to make up for it? No thanks. We need an impact guy. Get an OL guy later, make it work. A hole is a hole. It doesn't matter how it got there, it needs to be filled.
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j/c: Perhaps a rehash of stuff already out there.
Browns Continue To Talk Trades For No. 8 Pick With Teams Interested In Ezekiel Elliott
Ian Rapoport of NFL Media reports that the Browns have been in discussions with teams about trades for the No. 8 overall pick. •Rapoport adds that teams are looking to move up the board to select Ohio State RB Ezekiel Elliott. There has actually been a lot of buzz about the Browns trading back again in round one, despite the fact that they’ve already traded down from No. 2 overall. The Dolphins have been linked to Elliott for some time now, and have a clear need at running back, so a trade up can’t be ruled out. Alex Marvez of FOX Sports reported last night that one situation worth keeping an eye on is the Browns trading back from No. 8 overall and possibly targeting Michigan State QB Connor Cook later on in the first round. Meanwhile, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports mentioned that the Browns are open to trading out of the No. 8 overall pick and moving back into the teens for one of Ole Miss WR Laquon Treadwell or MSU OT Jack Conklin. As of now, the Browns have 12 picks to work with in the 2016 draft, which is currently tied with the 49ers for the most selections. This includes six picks in the top 100 overall, so they could still put together a strong draft class in 2016, considering that it’s believed to be a fairly deep class. For what it’s worth, we have the Browns trading with the Dolphins and Miami taking Elliott in our recently updated 2016 NFL Mock Draft. We’ll have more regarding potential Browns’ trades as the news is available. http://nfltraderumors.co/150384-2/
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This is why I'm kinda holding off on my prediction. I think San Deigo may pull off a trade of #3 and we'll pull off a trade for #8.
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I've heard that the trade up potential for #3 is pretty dead.
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I'm going to call a trade out of 8 to either 13 or 15, then we take either WR or DE/OLB. My preferences are Treadwell or Lawson, but would be happy with any of Doctson, Coleman, or Spence. On Spence, I suspect that his past will keep him on the board into the 2nd round, so it's entirely possible we could take a WR at 13/15 and still get him at 32. If not, Dodd or Ogbah are good picks there too.
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The Browns need impact players on offense and defense. To me, that means WR and pass rusher. We don't need a RT or a developmental QB in round 1. Please stop making STUPID picks. SMH
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Alex Marvez of FOX Sports reported last night that one situation worth keeping an eye on is the Browns trading back from No. 8 overall and possibly targeting Michigan State QB Connor Cook later on in the first round. I hope not. I don't see Cook as any better then guys like Hogan or Brissett who can probably be gotten in the 4th rnd
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Pick Team PLAYER POS. SCHOOL Trade Details
1 LA Jared Goff QB California
2 PHI Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State
3 SD Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
4 DAL Joey Bosa DE Ohio State
5 TEN Jalen Ramsey S Florida State JAX #5 for TEN #15, #45, #76
6 BAL D. Buckner DE Oregon
7 SF Paxton Lynch QB Memphis
8 OAK Myles Jack OLB UCLA CLE #8, #77 for OAK #14, #44, #114
9 MIA Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State TB #9, #183 for MIA #13, #73
10 NYG Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
11 CHI Shaq Lawson OLB Clemson
12 NO Sheldon Rankins NT Louisville
13 TB V. Hargreaves CB Florida TB #9, #183 for MIA #13, #73
14 **CLE L. Treadwell WR Ole Miss CLE #8, #77 for OAK #14, #44, #114
15 JAX Jack Conklin OT Michigan State JAX #5 for TEN #15, #45, #76
16 DET A'S. Robinson DE Alabama
17 ATL Darron Lee ILB Ohio State
18 IND Noah Spence OLB Eastern Kentucky
19 BUF R. Nkemdiche DE Ole Miss
20 SEA Jason Spriggs OT Indiana NYJ #20 for SEA #26, #90, #225
21 **CLE Josh Doctson WR TCU WAS #21, #120 for CLE #32, #65
22 HOU Chris Jones DE Mississippi State
23 MIN Corey Coleman WR Baylor
24 CIN Keanu Neal S Florida
25 PIT Karl Joseph S West Virginia
26 NYJ Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
27 GB Andrew Billings NT Baylor
28 KC W. Jackson III CB Houston
29 AZ Ryan Kelly C Alabama
30 CAR M. Alexander CB Clemson
31 DEN Vernon Butler DE Louisiana Tech
32 WAS Jarran Reed DE Alabama
33 TEN Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
34 DAL Derrick Henry RB Alabama
35 SD J. Bullard DE Florida
36 BAL Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
37 SF Eli Apple CB Ohio State
38 JAX Kevin Dodd DE Clemson
39 TB Kenny Clark NT UCLA
40 NYG Su'a Cravens OLB Southern California
41 CIN Will Fuller WR Notre Dame CHI #41, #185 for CIN #55, #87
42 MIA Cody Whitehair OG Kansas State
43 TEN Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Oklahoma State
44 **CLE Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M CLE #8, #77 for OAK #14, #44, #114
Tough call at the end there for Ifedi vs. Correa vs. Vonn Bell, went Ifedi because of the Day 3 pass rushers that I like. No more picks until the 4th round, where the Browns have 5 of them (99, 100, 114, 120, 138). Possibility to trade back into the third round twice if wanted.
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Unless he isn't your third or fourth rated tackle.
That is the way you evaluated him. That doesn't mean the team views him the same way.
Oh it certainly doesn't mean that's how they have the OT's rated. It's just that in a few years it would be evident to everyone, including them.
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I think I explained that pretty well actually. I did make it specific to this draft. I explained that Tunsil would never be the quality of Joe Thomas and the talent level went downhill from there at LT in this draft.
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the thing that sticks out to me with your mock is Oakland ... WOW would their front 7 be nasty
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Pick Team PLAYER POS. SCHOOL Trade Details
1 LA Jared Goff QB California
2 PHI Carson Wentz QB North Dakota State
3 SD Laremy Tunsil OT Ole Miss
4 DAL Joey Bosa DE Ohio State
5 TEN Jalen Ramsey S Florida State JAX #5 for TEN #15, #45, #76
6 BAL D. Buckner DE Oregon
7 SF Paxton Lynch QB Memphis
8 OAK Myles Jack OLB UCLA CLE #8, #77 for OAK #14, #44, #114
9 MIA Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio State TB #9, #183 for MIA #13, #73
10 NYG Ronnie Stanley OT Notre Dame
11 CHI Shaq Lawson OLB Clemson
12 NO Sheldon Rankins NT Louisville
13 TB V. Hargreaves CB Florida TB #9, #183 for MIA #13, #73
14 **CLE L. Treadwell WR Ole Miss CLE #8, #77 for OAK #14, #44, #114
15 JAX Jack Conklin OT Michigan State JAX #5 for TEN #15, #45, #76
16 DET A'S. Robinson DE Alabama
17 ATL Darron Lee ILB Ohio State
18 IND Noah Spence OLB Eastern Kentucky
19 BUF R. Nkemdiche DE Ole Miss
20 SEA Jason Spriggs OT Indiana NYJ #20 for SEA #26, #90, #225
21 **CLE Josh Doctson WR TCU WAS #21, #120 for CLE #32, #65
22 HOU Chris Jones DE Mississippi State
23 MIN Corey Coleman WR Baylor
24 CIN Keanu Neal S Florida
25 PIT Karl Joseph S West Virginia
26 NYJ Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
27 GB Andrew Billings NT Baylor
28 KC W. Jackson III CB Houston
29 AZ Ryan Kelly C Alabama
30 CAR M. Alexander CB Clemson
31 DEN Vernon Butler DE Louisiana Tech
32 WAS Jarran Reed DE Alabama
33 TEN Taylor Decker OT Ohio State
34 DAL Derrick Henry RB Alabama
35 SD J. Bullard DE Florida
36 BAL Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
37 SF Eli Apple CB Ohio State
38 JAX Kevin Dodd DE Clemson
39 TB Kenny Clark NT UCLA
40 NYG Su'a Cravens OLB Southern California
41 CIN Will Fuller WR Notre Dame CHI #41, #185 for CIN #55, #87
42 MIA Cody Whitehair OG Kansas State
43 TEN Emmanuel Ogbah OLB Oklahoma State
44 **CLE Germain Ifedi OT Texas A&M CLE #8, #77 for OAK #14, #44, #114
Tough call at the end there for Ifedi vs. Correa vs. Vonn Bell, went Ifedi because of the Day 3 pass rushers that I like. No more picks until the 4th round, where the Browns have 5 of them (99, 100, 114, 120, 138). Possibility to trade back into the third round twice if wanted. A lot of great players sitting right above that second round pick. Could possibly even jump up again. Love the picks though.
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the thing that sticks out to me with your mock is Oakland ... WOW would their front 7 be nasty Yeah, that's what I was thinking. They're stocked at WR/TE, they have their QB, they bought their OL, and they've had a lot of success with drafting front 7 guys. Figured I'd keep it going for them.
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Steve, I see you dropped Eli Apple to the 2nd round. Is this why you did it....  The kid has no life skills. At all. Can't cook. Just a baby. He's not first round for me. He scares me to death." Wonderlic was 21. "He probably has as much talent as anybody but he, like a lot of those Ohio State guys, is inconsistent," said a third scout.
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Steve, I see you dropped Eli Apple to the 2nd round. Is this why you did it.... The kid has no life skills. At all. Can't cook. Just a baby. He's not first round for me. He scares me to death." Wonderlic was 21. "He probably has as much talent as anybody but he, like a lot of those Ohio State guys, is inconsistent," said a third scout. lol, that's pretty funny, but no... I didn't drop him, that's just where he ended up. I think Cincy and Pitt would focus more on safety, and with Miami taking Elliot it dried up demand for corners pretty quickly.
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Rumors of Leonard Floyd to Jacksonville would make things intriguing to say the least. 1. Goff 2. Wentz 3. Buckner 4. Zeke? 5. Floyd 6. Ramsey 7. Bosa And that leaves us with Jack 
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I officially have no clue what the Chargers are doing. Yesterday I was convinced they were taking Buckner. Now I am convinced they are taking Stanley.
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Is this your mock or a competition with others?
Is your site still up? If so PM me the address please.
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It was just a mock I did for this thread. Went to 44 because I was planning on going to 32 since the Browns have the first pick in the second round but then I traded. Wanted to see how 44 turned out so admittedly the last few picks were hurried. Had I put more time into it I probably would have had the Jets or possibly Denver (probably the Jets) trade up for Cook ahead of the Browns.
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To amend my "things the Browns could do to piss me off" list....draft Conklin. If Bosa/Elliot is there and we draft the guy that Bosa has owned for the past 2 years I will be pissed....but that would be a Browns move no doubt.
I take one of the top guys if they fall (Ramsey, Tunsil, Bosa), take Elliot, or trade down if all are gone. On no planet or in no frigging universe do I take the 3rd (imo the 4th) best OT in the draft at 8. That is a total need pick, and can be addressed in rounds 2 or 3.
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Now reading reports that teams are considering having Jack sign some sort of medical waiver regarding his knee. To me, that is a SERIOUS red flag. Pass.
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Rumors of Leonard Floyd to Jacksonville would make things intriguing to say the least. 1. Goff 2. Wentz 3. Buckner 4. Zeke? 5. Floyd 6. Ramsey 7. Bosa And that leaves us with Jack That would be great. What would be even better is when his knee proves to be a big problem and he never plays again. Which wouldn't happen if he went elsewhere, but is almost certain to happen if we take him. If his knee wasn't an issue I'd love the pick. We need linebackers and LOTS of them. He's a great prospect. Unfortunately, the Browns aren't the team for a guy with health issues. We NEVER come out on the good end of that..... it always bites us in the ass.
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Vers, what do you think of Elliot? You were absolutely right about Richardson predraft. Man, I sure wasn't. I thought he'd be our bellcow for a long time. Anyway, Hue Jackson runs the ball alot. I believe I read it's like 48/52 run pass. If Elliot can be just a really GOOD back it might be worth a look. Our offense can't be one(or non) dimensional again. Just wondered what you thought of the kid? I don't watch OSU too much. Can't stand that clap to hike the ball spread crap. I like QB's under center and doing what a QB is supposed to do. Deliver the ball to others.  I am officially old.
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Using that logic we should never draft anybody ever because they will bust or just eventually leave.
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Using that logic we should never draft anybody ever because they will bust or just eventually leave. Not the same thing, by a long shot. There are serious medical concerns about him. Over a documented injury. The odds of him never taking an NFL snap are far greater than anyone else who is being projected in the top 15 of the 1st round.
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Did you read what he actually said? It's just negative Nancy hyperbole.
Based off of stuff I've read and heard:
1. Goff
2. Wentz
3. Stanley (Here's the real shocker)
4. Elliott
5. Ramsey (Possibly Floyd)
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Now reading reports that teams are considering having Jack sign some sort of medical waiver regarding his knee. To me, that is a SERIOUS red flag. Pass. Yeah, I retract my earlier comment that this is the guy the Browns want. I can't see that anymore.
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j/c...I think if Elliot is there at 8 we pull the trigger with something already worked out.
Note the farther back we go the more a Conklin, or 1 of the 3 WRs seem to be best slotted for.
I think its interesting of these reports of our interest with Cook...if true how do they surface? That would mean a possibly trade back all the way to Jets...to get Cook.
Clevesteve...won't comment on your targets, you know my opinion already. My question is - why would we have to give up our #77 to a team who wants to move up. I think that way tips the deal to the other team. They are the one who badly wants somebody. ???
Again I hope we come away with a great nucleus of a Defensive Team from all this.
OL if taken, there are quite a few who are actually UPGRADES on Schwartz. We should not expect the team to cut off their nose to spite their face...Schwartz is gone...that's football. Move on and upgrading is not a terrible thing.
For those who go by the Mantra we had JT, Boitonio, Mack n Schwartz - of course Bitonio missed a good portion. But we lost 13 games. So that is suppose to justify not building that good to great OL.
1. It is the LOS where games are won and lost.
2. It was not our Offense that held us down last season.
3. If we built an awesome D we possibly could have won 10-13 games. Then What...we can say - OH LOOK we had 10-13 wins...see OL is the way to go.
My point is - its the Defense! It is a strong part of this draft class as well as RTs (potential LTs) after Tunsil.
What I do know...I have no idea what we will do...lol
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Report: Browns Could Look to Move Multiple Times in 1st Round By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on Apr 26, 2016, 10:12p 49 Chuck Cook-USA TODAY Sports According to Alex Marvez of FOX Sports, the Cleveland Browns could be looking to maneuver down from their No. 8 pick and up from their No. 32 pick, with one of the resulting first-rounders being used on Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook. Coincidentally, Cook just went No. 32 overall to the Browns in our community mock draft, a pick that received mixed reviews. If the Browns were able to move down from the No. 8 pick, they could likely use whatever extra compensation they receive in that deal to move up from the No. 32 pick, which means they wouldn't really lose any picks that they currently own. Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports identified two targets for the Browns if they were to move down from No. 8: WR Laquon Treadwell and OT Jack Conklin: Several rival executives believe the Browns will in fact accomplish that goal given their degree of motivation. The objective? To get from the No. 8 pick to somewhere in the teens with the primary intension of selecting Mississippi receiver Laquon Treadwell, although Michigan State tackle Jack Conklin would be viewed as a safe target as well, should he be there, sources said. If the Browns landed Treadwell or Conklin around the No. 15 pick, I think it'd be a solid start to the draft for the team. They would have gotten a Day 1 starter who are among the top players at their position, all while accumulating a ton of assets. However, I'd then be against trading up to take Cook. I'm not sold on the fact that he can be a franchise quarterback, and if the team wasn't willing to go with either Carson Wentz or Jared Goff, presumably because they want to build pieces around a quarterback first, then why bid so high on a guy who would be penciled in as a backup to start his career? http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2016/4/26/1...es-in-1st-round
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Clevesteve...won't comment on your targets, you know my opinion already. My question is - why would we have to give up our #77 to a team who wants to move up. I think that way tips the deal to the other team. They are the one who badly wants somebody. ??? I used the chart... I know that since the RGIII trade it's fashionable to say that the chart is outdated, but really most trades are pretty much by the book. Basically, to move down six spots in the 1st, we move our mid 3rd rounder 33 spots up to the middle of the 2nd and gain a 4th. 14 (1100) + 44 (460) + 114 (66) = 1626 8 (1400) + 77 (205) = 1605
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Steve, I see you dropped Eli Apple to the 2nd round. Is this why you did it.... The kid has no life skills. At all. Can't cook. Just a baby. He's not first round for me. He scares me to death." Wonderlic was 21. "He probably has as much talent as anybody but he, like a lot of those Ohio State guys, is inconsistent," said a third scout. LOL...........my son told me about that last night. I thought it was a joke at first.
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Vers, what do you think of Elliot? You were absolutely right about Richardson predraft. Man, I sure wasn't. I thought he'd be our bellcow for a long time. Anyway, Hue Jackson runs the ball alot. I believe I read it's like 48/52 run pass. If Elliot can be just a really GOOD back it might be worth a look. Our offense can't be one(or non) dimensional again. Just wondered what you thought of the kid? I don't watch OSU too much. Can't stand that clap to hike the ball spread crap. I like QB's under center and doing what a QB is supposed to do. Deliver the ball to others. I am officially old. I don't believe in drafting RBs high. There are so many ways to acquire good RBs and their shelf life is low. However, Zeke is a true 3 down back that isn't just good at all three phases of the position, but excels at them. Similar to a Marshall Faulk in that regard. That's high praise, because even though he is a HOFer, I think Faulk is one of most underrated players of all-time.
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I figured it was chart related. But we were not just exchanging draft picks for the sake of exchanging and lets make it as EQUAL as possible. Who ever we traded with...they were targeting a player that was not going to be there when they picked. There is much more value for them to exchange draft picks. I'm not saying to ROB them blind...just for us to MAKE the exchange - no way it should be close to equal.
jmho doesn't really matter its a mock.
just wanted to know if there was some other logic beside the chart. thanks for answering.
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Not sure if it's Treadwell or Doctson they take in the 1st, but I'm in agreement that they trade down from 8 and take a receiver with the 1st pick.
I suspect we'll take a RT in the second round.
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Not sure if it's Treadwell or Doctson they take in the 1st, but I'm in agreement that they trade down from 8 and take a receiver with the 1st pick.
I suspect we'll take a RT in the second round. That's my wish ... trade back and draft Doctson (my first choice) Definitely don't want us to take Cook in the 2nd ... take any other BPA
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