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His struggles to read a D is very worrisome. How much of that is fixable?

Funny, but he didn't deny having the conversation with the Shanahans and the QB coach..

Tells me he did pretty much what Shanahan said he did.

“The urban legend, right?” he said with a smile. “Actually, just like any coach-quarterback combination, we had healthy conversations about everything, evolving as a player. There’s a lot of dark things that are talked about with Mike and Kyle and those things, but it was never a wholesale ‘This is what we’re gonna run, this is what we’re not gonna run’ [demand].

“You know, I’m a player,” Griffin said. “I’m here to play. As we like to say, I just work here. Open discussion. Coaches get to call the plays, and players have to run them.”

j/c:

I have a few thoughts on the Shanahan article:

--There is very little doubt in my mind that RGIII was guilty of what Shanahan claimed. Those "stories" have been out there for a long time. RGIII behaved as if he was entitled and privileged.

--I don't understand why Shanahan is bringing all of this up now. I can understand why he might be bitter, but he should be the bigger man.

I didn't like the signing. I still wonder about his ability to stay on the field. I still need to see improvement in the pocket and an ability to read defenses and call protections. But I have to admit, I am rooting for him.

I was not a fan of the signing, at all. I thought it was pointless and a waste.... but, the past is the past, and no "truth" that we read in the papers and on the web will be the full unadulterated Truth; so I take all of that stuff with a big ole grain of salt - and now I just wait.

He's either going to step up and prove himself worthy of being signed, or he'll validate the naysayers. There's really nothing in between and not much to debate.

--I don't understand why Shanahan is bringing all of this up now. I can understand why he might be bitter, but he should be the bigger man.

Oh, I don't know the interactions between Shanahan and RG3 because I wasn't there as nobody on this board was.

But quotes from RG3 himself are a part of the public record for all to see.

And there were many posters on this very board who said RG3 was selfish, a prima donna and lacked a lot of skills to be a franchise QB....... Until we signed him.

Well as a Browns fan, I certainly hope that he is humbled and more open to developing his craft. I'm sure we all hope for that.

I guess my point was that some posters seem to wish to place all of the blame on Shanahan for RG3's past, when that's certainly not an accurate portrayal.

I have very high hopes that he is humbled. I mean if what he went through doesn't humble him, nothing will. And he does possess a lot of talent. I think for the price he was signed for, it was a good gamble.

So I'm not trying to dump on RG3 here. I just am not a big fan of revisionist history.

Quoted from the article:

"If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons (Manning) and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don't play well if their guys don't play well," Griffin said. "They don't. We need everybody. I need every one of those guys in that locker room, and I know they're looking at me saying the same thing."

He might have been throwing his teammates under the bus, but the last sentence reads to me like he is taking some of that responsibility as well.... I don't know.

“All of the sacks are on me. Period. We’re 3-7, and everybody in this room knows that, and everybody in that locker room knows that. We can’t do what 3-7 football teams do. We can’t throw knives and stab each other in the back. I think we have good people in our locker room, men of God that are going to stick together and stay strong. So when you ask me that question, and I say all of the sacks are on me, it’s because I’m looking myself in the mirror and saying, I can do better. I have to do better. I need every man in that locker room, players and coaches, to look themselves in the mirror and say, ‘What can I do better?'”

“It was a travesty. It was a travesty out there today. We didn’t play well. I didn’t see the field as well as I would’ve liked to. We had turnovers. I can’t throw interceptions. We had false start penalties and holding penalties. It was just bad ball out there today. It’s not that we looked past Tampa Bay because we can’t afford to look past anybody. The fact of the matter is we’re not a very good football team right now.”

“We were playing good team ball. It takes 11 men. It doesn’t take one guy, and that’s proven. If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don’t play well if their guys don’t play well. They don’t. We need everybody. I need every one of those guys in that locker room, and I know they’re looking at me saying the same thing.”

What I can say is that when watching RG3's pressers while he was in Washington, I never saw him take any responsibility when he played poorly. I never saw him step up to the plate when he underperformed.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-teammates-dont

He wants to let possible future employers that Griffin was not on him.

(I do not know whether or not he is lying.)

What a noble servant, soldiering on during this futile effort to build around a flawed player, which he knew was doomed from the start. Poor, poor Mike Shanahan, the lowly executive vice president of football operations, bullied into an “absolutely crazy” trade for a player who hadn’t showed anything remarkable on tape. You can see it all so clearly in his quotes at the time.

March 2012: “It felt great,” Shanahan said of the trade. “[The Rams] asked us to make our best offer. When you do, you’re never sure if it’s going to work or not. You make an offer you think will give you the best chance to get in position to get a franchise guy and we felt very good when we did it. … I think that’s what you have to make a decision on: What’s in the best interest of the franchise? That’s what you get paid to do. To get that franchise quarterback is pretty tough. I’ve been in this league for awhile. They just don’t fall off of trees. If you can get a guy you feel is a franchise quarterback, then you have to make the decision if it’s in the best interest of your organization. We felt it was.”

March 2012: “You’ve got a game plan and you get somebody that will be your franchise quarterback for years to come and it doesn’t happen very often,” Shanahan said. “I was really pleased we got that pick — to take one of these two guys.”

March 2012: “When I think back about when the Broncos got John Elway, I don’t think anybody looks back and says, ‘Hey, did we overpay?’ ” Shanahan said. “To get a guy like that doesn’t happen very often. So if you’ve got an opportunity to get a guy you feel is a franchise quarterback, I think you’ve really helped your organization for the long term.”

April 2012: “I’ve watched every play that both of these quarterbacks have made since they were freshmen,” Shanahan said. “I’ve watched every game, every scenario. I’ve told everybody I feel like you’ve got two franchise guys. When you make a move to the second pick, you have to feel comfortable with both guys. You’ve got to be able to say, ‘Hey, I feel great.’ And, yeah, I’ve heard a lot of different things. But whatever happens, you’ve got to be happy with both.”

August 2012: “I felt great,” Shanahan said of the draft. “No matter what direction Indianapolis decided to go in the draft, we’d be in good shape.”

August 2012: “Before we made the choice to move up in the draft, we looked at every game that both quarterbacks had played,” Shanahan said. “We loved both guys.”

August 2012: “What’s the one thing you need in the NFL? The quarterback,” Shanahan said. “You know if you have the quarterback, you have a chance.”

“That’s what the Redskins have now,” Jason Reid wrote. “The smile on Shanahan’s face proves it.”

September 2012: “Shanahan said it wasn’t all that difficult for the Redskins to stomach giving up what it took to get the pick for Griffin,” Mark Maske wrote.

“The difficult part was spending all the [time studying] film on Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin for three or four years, then coming to the conclusion whatever direction you went you’d feel good about the trade,” Shanahan said. “So we knew to go from the sixth position to the second position, it was going to cost us two number ones [beyond this year] and a two. That’s what we felt. …. Now, obviously that’s a lot. [But] we felt good about both of those quarterbacks at that time. We felt it was worth the price.”

October 2012: “We got a guy who has a chance to take us to the promised land, and that’s what you want,” Shanahan said.

November 2012: “In the position we were in, you’ve got to evaluate both [Luck and Griffin],” Shanahan said. “And you don’t make that move unless you think the world of both guys.”

November 2012: “I think everybody looks for that franchise quarterback, the guy you can have on your team for 10, 15 years,” Shanahan said. “That’s what you’re hoping for, and I think that’s what everybody looks for. One of the reasons we made the trade was because we felt like he was one of those guys.”

August 2013: “It’s hard to get a franchise quarterback,” Shanahan said. “You gotta make a decision, and pull the trigger if that’s the direction you want to go.”

Look, maybe Mike Shanahan was bullied into trading too much for a flawed player who hadn’t proved he could be an NFL quarterback. But the time to show courage on this issue was in early 2012, when his bosses were pushing him to make an “absolutely crazy” trade for a player he wasn’t sold on. Instead, Washington’s executive vice president for football operations went along with a trade he knew was bad, spent months publicly justifying it, rode the flawed player to a division title and national acclaim, and then four years later is attempting to explain that of course he always knew this was a terrible idea.

Griffin, meanwhile, declined to participate in Reid’s story. One of these men is described as immature. I’ll let you guess which one.

For the hell of it I clicked that link you posted. I read the article. I especially noticed the RGIII quote they published. So again, for the hell of it, I watched the presser video that was imbeded in the article. I wanted to actually hear him say that.

Starting at 0:35 seconds in RGIII does/says all the things you said he doesn't do in his pressers. Odd that in the article they quoted only the negative-speak from him.

Go back to that link and watch the presser.

... wrong about your predictions on our season record and your projections about our draft picks ...

He at a lot himself, a lot. That's something you said earlier that you'd never heard him do.

Thanks 32. That was supposed to be "ate".

So anyway, does anybody think Kessler can pull a Russel Wilson on RG3?

Regardless, as long as rg3 does his thing in training camp and preseason, I bet it's actually feels good to be viewed as the main man again.

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I just don't hear most great QB's discuss the rest of the teams play when asking them what happened. Most great QB's take responsibility rather than point out the poor play from the rest of the team.

...Cam was drafted into a situation where he could be nurtured and developed (on going).

RG3 as we know came into a completely different environment.

We know opportunity doesn't necessarily equal achievement, but at least Hue is willing to try and mold him into a QB at this level, without trying to prematurely end his career.

I think he is humbled and that's not a bad thing,...he seems to be hungry to learn and that's not a bad thing either, but he also has a chip on his shoulder,...and that can be some extra incentive/motivation.