DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2016 NFL Season 2016 NFL Draft Third Round Pick - QB Cody Kessler

Don't count on that. Once a person gets to be 21 or so, they throw about as hard as they are ever going to throw. Now what can be coached is his ability to throw near his max on a more consistent basis by addressing mechanics.

Maybe, but the problem I have with that is that it's obvious to everyone that he lacks downfield ability. Could they not have noticed that? Are they really going to get into training camp and go, "Oh crap, this guy can't throw beyond 15 yards!" They have to have known that, but took him anyway.

Maybe Hue thinks it's footwork and he can fix that. But if that's the case I'd think a couple of you guys would have seen that as well.

It doesn't matter who they pick, they have to have some kind of reason for it. My problem is, what could their reason be for taking a guy who sorely and obviously lacks a necessary skill for the position? Maybe he's Jimmy's love child and he wanted to something nice for his baby mama.

Or maybe they see long term the guy can be a solid startr in the league. Also, maybe they feel that RGIII is our long term starter and this guy is solid insurance in a back-up role.

Al Davis was still alive when the Raiders took Pryor.

And Carson has game. A lot of it. I dont think Hue should be blamed for the pick up. Overpaid.

All that said, still in show me mode. Kessler has a lot of the same traits as Palmer now and the Bengals guys. Now it is up to Hue to prove us wrong.

Please prove us wrong Hue

You know............I praised the trade from two. I praised the trade from 8 to 15. I liked the Coleman pick. I liked the Ogbah pick. I liked the Nassib pick. I was okay w/the other Coleman pick.

But, because I don't like this pick..........I am unreasonable and am just trying to trash this FO no matter what, right?

Here's a good look at him and I like the way they made this video. It's a bit long but you don't have to watch all of it. It's a game last season between USC and Notre Dame and it's just the passing plays for USC, you get to see the good outcomes and the bad one's. And no craptastic music playing in the background. He does seem to go through his progressions and not just lock onto a particular target.

Who the hell is saying this? Stop trying to stir crap up. It's obnoxious.

You mean the inimitable SuperBrown. I saw he posted yesterday. I do miss his "different" sense of humor...

WTF!

Here I am thinking I'm expressing my dislike for this pick while trying to figure out why the hell they took him.

My entire post on him was complaining about the pick while trying to understand why they did it and you take that as me hinting that you are being unreasonable because you don't like the pick.

I can't even freaking agree with you anymore without this kind of shit!

I don't see any of that...Look, had it been me, I wouldn't have selected the guy. I couldn't have told you who he was before the pick.

But, Hue is all in with this guy. I am with you and some others, I am not convinced Hue is all that much of a QB guru, but he is our coach and one of our football guys...and don't doubt that Hue had major input on this pick.

In his presser he said something along the lines of....I understand...you're just going to have to trust me.

That pretty much sums it up for me..we are just going to have to trust him. This is Hue's guy. He owns the pick.

Style wise. But Kessler can only dream of being half as good as Palmer, IMO

They drafted him because of his hand size. He has YUGE hands ... 10-7/8!

But seriously, it seems a bit high to take a guy who most project to have a fairly low ceiling ... Gil Brandt says he'll probably be a decent career backup QB. Faint praise, if you ask me - but nobody asked me. He reminds me of Colt McCoy, when he came out of UT. I would have preferred Cook or Cardale.

First thing I thought of when I read that line as well.

This pick depresses me both because it was such a reach and because of all the possibilities it ended. We didn't want Carson Wentz. We missed on Paxton Lynch. Sp our "developmental" quarterback now is a guy who might become a competent backup game manager. Or might be Matt Barkley. Yuck.
12-gage, Cook, Prescott or someone like them would have provided hope for something more down the road. If all we are doing is drafting a backup for when RGIII goes down, what was so wrong with McCown or Davis? I can only hope I am wrong. Odds are usually good there.

Saying we missed on Lynch is misleading. Had we wanted him, we had far more ability to get him then did Denver.

Lol. And you accuse others of starting the crap around here.

I don't understand this pick at all.

Me neither. But I do have to say it was an fairly impressive draft up to this point. Maybe its a hiccup, or maybe we're off base. Maybe while I see Colt McCoy, Hue sees Drew Brees.

Fair enough, Balpeen. "Missed" was the wrong word on Lynch. We didn't want him, either. I guess we are going to roll with RGIII, and if he can be salvaged, none of this will matter. If not, we will be picking high in 2017 or 2018 and will already have our third string QB in place. Yay.

I really thought we were looking at Dak or 12-gauge. I guess we still could, grooming Kessler for backup while Dak or 12 for starter, but that seems a bit ridiculous.

Cardale must be sick about not coming out last year. I would bet the house he would have gone in the 2nd round, if not late 1st round, if he had. Its not always a good idea to go back to school.

I just went and looked at the QB'S Hue has worked with and had on teams he's been with ... And now weather u like the pick or not .... It makes sense skill set wise .... Take a look ....

You'll notice a theme of guys that were SUPPOSE to be smart, accurate and for the most part pocket passers .... A few big arms in there ...

Skins

Tony Banks, Shane Mathews, Patrick Ramsey .....

Cincinnati - Carson Palmer for 3 years ...

Falcons - Joey Harrington for 1 year

Baltimore - Flacco for 2 years

Raiders

Campbell - 1.5 years ... He got hurt and Hue went and traded for

Palmer .....

And then Dalton for the last 4 years ...

I was really shocked at that list ... Not sure what I expected but it sure wasn't almost exclusively strict drop back passers ...

Palmer, Dalton, Cambell all have the same skill sets ,,,

Accurate, smart, pocket guys ... SAME AS CODY ... And only one of them had a real strong arm ... Palmer ...

Look ... When u draft a QB in rnd. 3 your looking for lightning in a bottle ... It's a long shot on a good day .... And this guy has the skill set I LOVE in my QB'S .... Accurate, Smart, good feet, ....

Despite the fact I love his skill set ..... Very iffy at best on this pick ... The kid went through a lot in 4 years ... So he accomplished a lot and some of the inconsistency can be attributed to a lack of continuity .... Never playing in the same O in back to back years is tough as an NFL vet much less a 20 year old kid .....

The one major concern is the arm strength .... That scares me as a long term starter .... And I don't see Hue being this QB guru at all ... What he did with Cambell was AMAZING ... But that's all that stands out to me as far as him being some QB savant ...

So the fact that if your not Bill Walsh and your looking for a QB after rnd 2 your success rate is virtually zero .... And I think this kid can be a decent back up ... I have no probs with the pick ...

Now ... U guys wil know more about this than me ... VERS ....

Who was available we could have taken and why would they have been a better pick .... I have no clue ... That's why I ask ... Once u get this deep in the draft ... Every position is a crap shoot ... The odds at any position are slim .... Some are just slimmer than others ...

So what we're are other options here guys .... And why would they have been better picks ....

We will be picking high in 2017 for sure, and very likely 2018... don't sweat it.

JC,

I agree that there were better prospects to mold as your backup than Kessler. While this looks to be one of the better, "hey this actually makes sense", drafts; I would have rather gambled with a guy like Cardale Jones to develop as your backup knowing he at least has the ability to make any throw on the field. This was a weak attempt at a project QB.

Then again, we will most likely be drafting high next year and in the running for our QB of the future unless our ragtag assembled group can make some magic under Hue.

In all likelihood, a complete waste of a 3rd round pick. All I can say is it's a very good possibility we will be picking 1 overall next year and they better step up and make the pick and take the best QB!

Dare I say very Brian Hoyerisk?

*LOL* ..... Sad but true ... Oh how so true ...

Hi Diam - nice to see you posting. First, imo, there was no urgency to go QB at all with this pick. We could have picked the TE, Vannett, who went next, because we are very thin at TE after Barnidge. Second, when you are picking QBs in the mid rounds, it seems to me that is when you should shoot for the stars because that's where you can afford the risk of a blown pick. I would have waited til the 4th round and taken Cardale Jones because of his potential upside, and told him "you are sitting for a couple years; pay attention.". To take Kessler at this spot with Cook, Cardale, and Prescott available because of Kessler viability as a backup seems like taking the low-hanging fruit to me.

Why does he have to be a future starter?

When it comes to QBs I'll defer to Hue but I feel like Kessler would have been available later. They passed on Justin Simmons and Nickel Vannett who were still on the board.

Hoyer is his ceiling, his best case

Exactly. The fact is we could have taken any QB in this draft except for Goff and we could have made a play to move up to #1 to get him. Hue and company didn't WANT any other QB. This is the young man they desired. I didn't see Hue or Sashi saying he's a back up. Hue said he is the QB they wanted. Period. So we shall see what Hue can do with the kid. He got his guy.....

Because our head coach put his name on the line. He said "trust me" this young man is IT. THE QB I HAD to have. So trust is earned. Had he been luke warm that would be one thing. Hue Jackson was like Tom Cruise on Oprah jumping up and down on the coach over Katie Holms.

Just once I wish this organization would draft a franchise QB and put this QB thing to rest. Instead, we will keep wondering for the next several years when we will get a QB of the future. This is Hue's guy, I don't seem drafting a QB in any of the next several years.

You bastardized his words a bit. He didn't say this man is IT. Or the QB I HAD TO HAVE. At least I don't recall him saying that. I do recall him saying 'trust me'. That was in regards to him being selected earlier than many people thought....not being the answer as our future starting QB.

I don't think any HC is putting his job on the line simply by drafting a 3rd round QB. It does however, if proven to be a complete dud, questions his ability to judge QB talent.

Tom Cruise jumping up and down?....c'mon, get real.

well, don't go holding your breath expecting to see anything of this kid soon.


I wouldn't plan to have any expectations of him performing before the 2018 season. He definitely was not drafted for the 2016 season, and almost definitely not 2017, either.... so develop some patience.

Amen this bs is getting old. But hey, lets all trust Hue on this one.

Please tell me that was sarcasm. I have gotten old being patient with this team.