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I see people understanding what a poor pick this was and then as the thread goes on convincing themselves it's better than it actually is. Drafting someone this early in the draft that you could have gotten much later isn't good nor smart.
But you guys just keep convincing yourself otherwise.
I was HUH...that was my initial and I sort of like Kessler in 2014 that I saw from him and watched a couple of early games...cause I wanted to see QBs and wasn't that impressed with 2015 of course it was early on and in a new system.
So I went right to the presser's this morning to find out what was being said cause I know its a QB and the Media would be asking a lot. I "LISTENED"
Hue convinced me, my apologies for actually listening to HUE and understand the reason why that convinced me.
What I'm to have that turned around by you Vers and a bunch of other know nothings... 
Oh right...It was too early, we got freaking 13+ picks. Btw around what we get in expansion.
So he has to play a game on the QB he "WANTS" - what if...just if he becomes great, and we tried to play the game and some other coach/gm saw what HUE did and took him in the 5th? So we should lose out on him.
My point is - if this is the guy HUE wanted and he explained it pretty simply for all to understand. And when I say want its in the After Runs - after the big 3 first rounders. Goff, Wentz or Lynch.
Then who cares if we took him with our FIFTH PICK! You guys are acting like its in our first two rounds.
QB is the hardest evaluation out there. Why should we not be convinced...not making it convinced but just plain convinced...
Convince yourself Bro...I tired of the amateur GMs here thinking they now better than anyone who don't piss on our picks...smh
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Do you really think the evaluation was over Goff and Wentz? Our guys aren't the CIA, they actually explained their movements. We didn't trade the #2 cause the plan was to get the BEST QB in Kessler.
Can't speak for HUE. I "think" he really liked the kid from all the guys who weren't Goff, Wentz and Lynch. He thinks he can develop him into our system. Why? he said it for all to here. Accuracy.
What all have to remember its our FIFTH pick in the draft. Why risk losing him...we did one drop back and got something. We wanted him.
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J/C Read an article after we drafted Kessler that said the Steelers were looking at him.... Wonder what Tomlin saw in him?
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J/C Read an article after we drafted Kessler that said the Steelers were looking at him.... Wonder what Tomlin saw in him? He's pro ready and probably better than Landry Jones.
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I was wondering after reading the thread on the economics of trade value, on how much game theory impacts drafting. I mean, why shouldn't it be considered?
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I was wondering after reading the thread on the economics of trade value, on how much game theory impacts drafting. I mean, why shouldn't it be considered? If DePodesta has any input, then it is.
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Does DePodesta use game theory in baseball? It'd make the most sense to steal talent away from teams there. You never know in 4 years what you'll need.
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J/C Read an article after we drafted Kessler that said the Steelers were looking at him.... Wonder what Tomlin saw in him? He's pro ready and probably better than Landry Jones. don't get me wrong.. Unlike the arm chair QBs/ experts on here, I'm not down on us drafting Kessler.. I trust Hue may just know a little more than me and don't come on here after every pick and decision acting like I know more
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Just clicking.
I'm not crazy about this pick, especially if he could be had in a later round.
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I was just answering the question. It's always nice to have a backup that can at least run the offense.
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That's my issue with the pick. It isn't the player himself, but where we chose to draft him. We bypassed guys who wouldn't have been there later (ala Vannett as you mentioned) for a guy who would have been there later.
After rounds 1/2 you are 99% sure not getting a starting caliber QB so I'm not upset we chose Kessler over ___ QB, but I am upset we took a flier on him before it was needed, and basically lost out on the ability to take a player who COULD have been a starter down the road.
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Does DePodesta use game theory in baseball? It'd make the most sense to steal talent away from teams there. You never know in 4 years what you'll need. I don't think he's spoken about it, but I know that it has a lot to do with some of the in game strategies some teams are doing in baseball. Just a guess.
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That's my issue with the pick. It isn't the player himself, but where we chose to draft him. We bypassed guys who wouldn't have been there later (ala Vannett as you mentioned) for a guy who would have been there later.
After rounds 1/2 you are 99% sure not getting a starting caliber QB so I'm not upset we chose Kessler over ___ QB, but I am upset we took a flier on him before it was needed, and basically lost out on the ability to take a player who COULD have been a starter down the road.
I'm not mad about it. Get the QB your head coach wants. I'm fine with that. Maybe they thought someone else liked him?
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I wouldnt waste a 3rd round pick on a backup qb. They are a dime a dozen.
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I wouldnt waste a 3rd round pick on a backup qb. They are a dime a dozen. Not cheap ones.
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I was just answering the question. It's always nice to have a backup that can at least run the offense. That's why I wrote J/C when making my comment
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We have backup qb, we dont really need another one. I would rather the pick be made on a boom bust guy at a position of need. Not qb.
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I agree with ya. Wasted pick IMO.
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We have backup qb, we dont really need another one. I would rather the pick be made on a boom bust guy at a position of need. Not qb. Kessler is better than both Shaw and Davis. McCown might not be on the team. Griffin is injury prone.
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I disagree with that. The Steelers were able to stay afloat with the draft pick they invested in Landry Jones (4th round pick) while the Cowboys took your approach and were left with Brandon Weeden to kill a season.
Backups matter. Again the problem was the Browns could have gotten a real starting caliber player there, but we reached for a guy who would have been there in the 4th.
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We have backup qb, we dont really need another one. I would rather the pick be made on a boom bust guy at a position of need. Not qb. Maybe you should have gave your input to the the Browns decision makers before the pick... Sure they would have listened.. No way they're going to know what you want if you don't tell them
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It was definitely a reach. If they want to draft a backup qb, then do it in the 4th or 5th.
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That's my issue with the pick. It isn't the player himself, but where we chose to draft him. We bypassed guys who wouldn't have been there later (ala Vannett as you mentioned) for a guy who would have been there later.
After rounds 1/2 you are 99% sure not getting a starting caliber QB so I'm not upset we chose Kessler over ___ QB, but I am upset we took a flier on him before it was needed, and basically lost out on the ability to take a player who COULD have been a starter down the road.
The thing is that you don't know that for fact. You think he would have been there. I am not saying he couldn't have been, but possibly some in the FO had some information to which we aren't privy. Even if not, since this was Hue's guy, there is no sense in taking it down the the last pick possible. We took it to pick 93 of the 3rd round. Our previous pick was in the 70's of that round. I'll bet there were a bunch of nervous people sitting in the War room. OK....MAYBE we took him early, but then again, you never know. We got the guy we targeted...what's wrong with that?
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It was definitely a reach. If they want to draft a backup qb, then do it in the 4th or 5th. My gut reaction is it was a reach, but in my previous post, I explained why maybe it wasn't. We got the guy we wanted. When I say we, I am not talking about me...I can't say I could have told you who he was before 24 hours ago. Our coach and FO were pretty sold on the guy, so I go with it...I expect RGIII to play well and this kid doesn't see the field anytime soon.
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Casserly just made CFRS' point about the value of cheap backup quarterbacks. I wonder if New England is thinking the same thing, grooming another guy they got this year so they can let Jimmy G go.
I still say it was a reach, but I learn from you guys.
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Peen,
I look at rounds 1-3 as rounds you get guys you think can start for your team either immediately or the following year. I don't think you can realistically project Kessler as a guy who can do that.....heck if you thought that you get him earlier so you KNOW he's there.
To me all of these guys (Kessler, Cook, Prescott, etc.) are flier guys that you hope can develop into a backup, and pray you catch lightening in a bottle (aka Brady, Wilson).
To me even if Kessler would have been gone at 129....so what take the next rated flier on your board. Get a guy at 93 you KNOW can impact your team.
I get what your saying Peen, but I don't like the strategy of not taking starter type guys in the top 100 picks....jmho.
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What I'm to have that turned around by you Vers and a bunch of other know nothings... rofl eotab insulting other posters again. Who was picking on you this time? God forbid a person gives his honest opinion around here!!!
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Peen,
I look at rounds 1-3 as rounds you get guys you think can start for your team either immediately or the following year. I don't think you can realistically project Kessler as a guy who can do that.....heck if you thought that you get him earlier so you KNOW he's there.
To me all of these guys (Kessler, Cook, Prescott, etc.) are flier guys that you hope can develop into a backup, and pray you catch lightening in a bottle (aka Brady, Wilson).
To me even if Kessler would have been gone at 129....so what take the next rated flier on your board. Get a guy at 93 you KNOW can impact your team.
I get what your saying Peen, but I don't like the strategy of not taking starter type guys in the top 100 picks....jmho. My gut agrees with you, but I said what I said...we don't know, but this was Hue's pick. They didn't want to push it any further.
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That's my issue with the pick. It isn't the player himself, but where we chose to draft him. We bypassed guys who wouldn't have been there later (ala Vannett as you mentioned) for a guy who would have been there later.
After rounds 1/2 you are 99% sure not getting a starting caliber QB so I'm not upset we chose Kessler over ___ QB, but I am upset we took a flier on him before it was needed, and basically lost out on the ability to take a player who COULD have been a starter down the road.
The thing is that you don't know that for fact. You think he would have been there. I am not saying he couldn't have been, but possibly some in the FO had some information to which we aren't privy. Even if not, since this was Hue's guy, there is no sense in taking it down the the last pick possible. We took it to pick 93 of the 3rd round. Our previous pick was in the 70's of that round. I'll bet there were a bunch of nervous people sitting in the War room. OK....MAYBE we took him early, but then again, you never know. We got the guy we targeted...what's wrong with that? I can agree with that, Depo (presser) basically said that they got most everyone that they had targeted. So in the bigger picture ... That was the pick they had with Kessler as the target. IIRC ... Didn't we use a pick received from trading back?
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That's my issue with the pick. It isn't the player himself, but where we chose to draft him. We bypassed guys who wouldn't have been there later (ala Vannett as you mentioned) for a guy who would have been there later.
After rounds 1/2 you are 99% sure not getting a starting caliber QB so I'm not upset we chose Kessler over ___ QB, but I am upset we took a flier on him before it was needed, and basically lost out on the ability to take a player who COULD have been a starter down the road.
The thing is that you don't know that for fact. You think he would have been there. I am not saying he couldn't have been, but possibly some in the FO had some information to which we aren't privy. Even if not, since this was Hue's guy, there is no sense in taking it down the the last pick possible. We took it to pick 93 of the 3rd round. Our previous pick was in the 70's of that round. I'll bet there were a bunch of nervous people sitting in the War room. OK....MAYBE we took him early, but then again, you never know. We got the guy we targeted...what's wrong with that? I can agree with that, Depo (presser) basically said that they got most everyone that they had targeted. So in the bigger picture ... That was the pick they had with Kessler as the target. IIRC ... Didn't we use a pick received from trading back? Yep. We traded back and added a 4th, IIRC.
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That's my issue with the pick. It isn't the player himself, but where we chose to draft him. We bypassed guys who wouldn't have been there later (ala Vannett as you mentioned) for a guy who would have been there later.
After rounds 1/2 you are 99% sure not getting a starting caliber QB so I'm not upset we chose Kessler over ___ QB, but I am upset we took a flier on him before it was needed, and basically lost out on the ability to take a player who COULD have been a starter down the road.
The thing is that you don't know that for fact. You think he would have been there. I am not saying he couldn't have been, but possibly some in the FO had some information to which we aren't privy. Even if not, since this was Hue's guy, there is no sense in taking it down the the last pick possible. We took it to pick 93 of the 3rd round. Our previous pick was in the 70's of that round. I'll bet there were a bunch of nervous people sitting in the War room. OK....MAYBE we took him early, but then again, you never know. We got the guy we targeted...what's wrong with that? Nothing wrong with it at all if he adds value to the team even as a backup. The tell tail of this draft as we all know will be if they missed out on a franchise QB at pick 2. That will mean a very short tenure for Sashi, Hue, ect
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that is not necessarily true... if they take those picks and build team and then add the QB and that results in success then what Wentz does or does not do is immaterial to the browns
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Which all depends of how much patience Haslam has in letting them "build the team". I realize the QB thing like drafting any other position is a crap shoot but I think they should up their chances a little bit. Even as bad as the Browns have been they usually win just enough games to take them out of the running for the better QB prospects so therefore when you trade out of a no. 2 spot you better be damn sure of what your doing.
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agreed.
if JH does not allow this group sufficient time to implement their plan and then he is a bigger idiot than I thought.
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j/c:
I am anxiously awaiting the planted rumors that someone else was about to draft Kessler and that is why the Browns had to grab them w/that pick.
Not sure why I think that........it's never happened before.
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agreed.
if JH does not allow this group sufficient time to implement their plan and then he is a bigger idiot than I thought. Oh, you aint seen nothing yet
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What is with you people???
Hue wanted him, SO he picked him!
If our head coach likes a guy that much, I give him the benefit of the doubt!
If we cannot trust our head coach in ALL decisions, what is the point of having any trust in him at all?
I scratched my head on the pick too, but damn, I give Hue the option of picking who he wants. This is what he and the GM are paid to do.
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What I'm to have that turned around by you Vers and a bunch of other know nothings... rofl eotab insulting other posters again. Who was picking on you this time? God forbid a person gives his honest opinion around here!!! I stopped taking his football posts seriously quite awhile back... and besides, his sentence structure is annoying and abject homers are, as well.
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