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Questionable pick. Could go either way, most likely will be unproductive.

His fast time was a 4.36. His average was a 4.5 according to the site below.

Derrick Kindred | Texas Christian, SS : 2016 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=123862&draftyear=2016&genpos=SS

This is pretty good too ... considering he played with 1 arm:

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Underrated value pick for Browns... Derrick Kindred allowed just 11 rec on 31 targets in coverage in 2015

The 4.36 is a projected low. Those are just guesses based on film.

Lower on the page is the 4.50 he actually ran at the combine along with his other combine numbers. He just did the bench (on a barely healed broken collarbone) and position drills at his pro day.

Ah, OK. Thanks for clearing that up.

4.5 is still very good for a FS.

I just went and checked the 40 times of all of the DBs taken in the 1st 2 rounds of the draft. There were 14 DBs taken, 1 SS, 3 FS, and 10 CB. Using their NFL.com draft profiles, there were 8 with a lower 40 time, (Karl Joseph had no 40) the fastest being 4.34 .... but most are right in that 4.4 to 4.5 range.

I think his 4.5 is more than adequate for the FS position.

Guys............I know it irritates you when I voice my opinion on draft picks, but I don't see this guy as a FS at all. They may play him there, but dang man.........that could be a disaster.

It irritates us when you voice your opinion. It doesn't have anything to do with draft picks.

Now, that's good for the board.

Laughter is good.

Agreed.

I had to correct this kid's name in the title, just so it's correct. He's Derrick, not Derek.

Anyway, as to your opinion, that's cool.

I see this kid as one who Horton can mold ala Gipson, and make him into a quality center fielder. (although, Gipson was more of a Corner to Safety convert to start his pro career, and maybe more skilled at cover than Kindred is)

However, Kindred allowed only 11 completions on 31 targets in 2015. That is an excellent ratio. He is a kid you know is doing to be completely dedicated, and driven to do whatever he has to in order to succeed. I think that he will wind up at FS, and that he will do well there.

May I ask how a guy can play FS when he has terrible lateral movement, takes bad angles to the ball, and gets juked out of his shoes in the open field.

He is an in-the-box SS.

I agree he is better suited as a SS, but his instincts are good and I have not noticed an inordinate amount of bad angles.

His hips are stiff, as a lot of safeties, and if he does not play under control he will lose leverage due to over pursuit.

He does have decent foot plant and reaction to ball

I'm working from a limited sample size of 2 game partial game-cutups.
In the first he had by my count 3 bad misses (poor angle, tentative at point of impact). But I can't get out of my head that this dude is out there playing with a broken collarbone. I literally was wincing when I was watching so I can't help but give him the benefit of the doubt that when healthy he more confidently finished tackles.

When it comes to FS vs SS part of the distinction comes from how you view them. For me IF Kindred was indeed the player you describe the last place I would play him is SS. I want my SS to be the best tackler in the secondary.

The main things I look for in a safety are the willingness to tackle and the ability to cover 2 basic routes. Granted I haven't been able to evaluate him in coverage on those routes. But, from his speed and movement ability I don't see why he couldn't.

Where he'll end up who knows. But given his experience playing 1/2 field Safety and slot-safety AND the need at FS on the roster I think he'll get a shot at FS before/if they move him to SS.

Speaking of Campbell when I was office chair scouting safeties 2 years ago I thought Campbell could play either Strong or Free Safety.

Again, not the player I would have picked (KJ Dillon is) but for me Kindred isn't a 'bad' pick imo given the round and his skillset profile.

Badly.

Depending on the directionality of the break, trying to wrap can hurt a heck of a lot more than a direct impact. Based on his tape, I think that is the case here.

He probably is better matching up underneath, and you may be right in that this may be his role, but this kid has 21 passes defensed and 8 INT in the past 2 seasons.

I am not pretending that there won't be challenges as he develops, but I think that he has the talent and ability to handle the position.

We'll see how things turn out, We will have 2 new safeties on the foeld this year, that's for sure.

Agreed. Campbell would be better off playing FS, and his coverage isn't great either.

I do think Kindred could be pretty effective in Horton's scheme though because he loves to bring the safety down.

I usually like your football posts, but this point befuddles me. Kindred is a big hitter when he gets to the guy. I think his weaknesses would be exposed more-so in space. Playing FS will put him in space more often.

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I meant that IF Kendrick is the player you describe for me he couldn't play SS either. I want my SS to have no tackling issue at all, I want them to be a stone killer, capable of being volume tackler.

How much do you factor in playing with a broken collarbone into your evaluation? Maybe I'm putting myself in his shoes too much, but when I watch the tape knowing his injury I can understand how/why some of those mistakes can happen when you're guarding an injury.

Good story, I hope he develops into a stud. Seems like another character pick, not a punkass or meth freak.