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Well........people were ragging on Cousins. I posted his numbers to those who actually want to learn and not just assume that Cousins is a bad qb. Nice job of shifting the emphasis from that focus.

God forbid, people say anything that doesn't agree w/the Browns must take a QB w/the second overall pick.

I would kill to have a QB capable of posting the #s that Cousins did last season, to be frank about it. Hell yeah, get him if we can.

I do not understand how asking about Josh McCown being named the starting QB before training camp like Pettine did turned into the Kirk Cousins thread. LOL I am certain that the starting QB for the Cleveland Browns is not currently on the roster. But if you picked McCown as the starter, what does that say about any draft pick you take at QB and the other QB's on the roster? I hate the term "bridge" QB or "mentor". Those terms mean nothing. If the QB cannot play from day one, do not draft him. If he can, then let him play is my thoughts. I think that if the Browns draft a QB and still name McCown the starter before training camp, the Browns are looking for a new QB and HC after 2 seasons. What do you think about that?

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Cousins' season was good. But, it looks a lot like Derek Anderson's 2007 season to me. Cousins feasted on bad defenses (TB and NO) while looking okay for the rest of the first half of the season. Then he got hot at the end of the season against more bad defenses.

I wish he had shown more before his contract year. I'm just a little hesitant to buy when his stock is at the highest it might ever be.

I think we can give McCown one more season as the starter/mentor. I don't think these QBs will necessarily be ready to start right away. If we do take one, I think he'd better be ready to be the guy in year two. At this point, I think Wentz could (not 100% will) be. Unfortunately, I don't see a great alternative out there. Great QBs just don't become available in free agency.

Everytime I see this thread, I think of this.....

I've said it before, most major college programs red-shirt their QBs to give them a chance to acclimate themselves to the differences between HS and college FB. I believe the jump for QBs between college FB and the NFL is greater than that. There are some QBs capable of making the transition in the time between completing their final college season and the beginning of their first pro, but I think they are the exception, not the rule. There are risks in starting a guy too soon, injury, critical loss of self-confidence, and forming bad habits.

Most of the experts agree that none of this year's top QB prospects are NFL ready. If the Browns think one of these QB's can be developed into a 10 year starter, then they will most likely draft that guy at #2 and work to get him ready. If that becomes game #1 of the 2016 season, then great. But if not, I don't see the point in starting him to justify taking him at the top of the draft.

Yes, there are parts of the game that can only be learned by playing, but, especially for QBs, there is also much that can be learned by watching how an experienced pro plays close up, with a coach to discuss it with on the sidelines, and breaking down what happens in the quarterbacks room.

Naming McCown the starter to start the season doesn't mean he has to then start the whole season, or that you've declared him "The Answer" nor a rookie a bust. It just means that the coaching staff with far more experience developing players than anyone on this board, have decided that it is best for the rookie's development to watch and learn. McCown proved to be competent. Why not let him keep the position warm until the coaching staff feels a rookie is ready?

Ragging on and not trusting one season of above-average play (against bad teams) are not the same thing.



There are plenty of people who don't want to take a QB #2 and talk about it with no problems. You are making an issue out of nothing.

You mention Cousins' play against "weak defenses" twice. Yet, you don't mention them when evaluating Wentz. Interesting....

I don't want to take a QB at #2, but the disaster that Manziel is, and the hole he has left in that position, makes it very likely that we will be forced to take one. As I have stated elsewhere, I would have wanted either Jack or Ramsey. This draft seems to lack star power and I get a similar feeling to that of the year Mingo was drafted.

Without pressing the view...I can only assume that was the Willy Mays Great Catch!

Back to the Cousins talk.
I don't think he is a long term answer. I think he is a better Bridge QB than McCown I don't consider him to be a "INSTEAD OF" QB if we like somebody and think he is a Franchise QB we still take him even with signing Cousins.

Just we wouldn't be in a rush to play him. How Cousins plays in the season ahead wouldn't determine a lot of how we would proceed... you can replace Cousins with Bradford or RG3 in this scenario as well...jmho

You're right. I didn't. I figured the level of competition talk had been discussed by plenty of other posters. It is a question/concern for Wentz. I've said that.

However, there is a difference between not having faced a challenge and being unable to face a challenge.

I mention the bad defenses with Cousins because there is a visible discrepancy in his stats based upon the quality of the opponent.

If Washington let's him go, it's probably because they don't think he's a franchise quarterback. If they keep him, there is no point in us trying to pencil him in the Browns depth chart.

I think that you are simply trying to find ways to criticize Cousins because your mind is made up about drafting Wentz. You act like Cousins is the only player in the NFL to face bad defenses. You mentioned Tampa Bay and New Orleans. Cam played against both teams twice last year. Yet, Cousins finished 5th in the NFL and Cam ended up 7th. Does that mean Cam stinks?

Cousins is a young player that grew into the starting role this year. He started a few games here and there, but this past year was his first full year as a starter. He faced quite a bit of adversity and criticism because so many still held on to the belief that RGIII should be starting, and that group included the owner of the Redskins. That's a lot of pressure for any QB, never mind a first year starter.

The kid kept getting better and better. Washington's once-strong running game under the Shannahans was long gone. He had a very good TE, but he also had a mediocre group of wide receivers, partly due to Jackson missing time during the season. Yet, he remained poised and kept making plays.

It would be foolish for anyone to not want this guy should he become available. He is entering his prime, has very good intelligence, some actual experience and success in the league, and a bright future.

If the bolded section had been your argument, I'd have been less likely to be skeptical. Just putting stats out there doesn't convince me of a player's talent level. If you give me stats, I'll look for reasons for the stats. If you give me observations that sound intriguing, I'll look at the tape.

I still don't think he gets away from Washington.

Kirk Cousins will be 28 when the seasons starts.

Okay. What's your point?

Josh McCown can win you 1 game out of 11, 1-10, and that's all he can do for you, No matter how nice his stats are.

Johnny Manziel has been cut, even though he finally has 2 years of seasoning and is learning how to play to win.

Austin Davis is a joke who can't complete any of the passes after he scrambles out of the pocket, the passes that Manziel completes.

Anyone they draft is going to be a rookie and will be lousy for the next full year and a half, in their growing.

The Browns won't keep any of these for 36 months.

The Browns won't keep any of these for 36 months!

Can one imagine, that the Browns won't even get their act together enough to be able to keep a quarterback, after ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES, that they can stick with, for even 3 seasons.

You learn something new every day...

Whoa .... Wait ..... What?

We're going to draft rookies? How long has this been going on? No wonder we're always losing. Who ever heard of such a thing?

Goodell
"With the 2nd pick, in the 2016 NFL Draft, The Cleveland Browns select, JJ Watt, Defensive End, Houston Texans.."

Berman
"Whoa! Are they allowed to do that?"

Kiper
"This is a great choice, Watt is a really good player for the Texans, with the potential to be an all time great, I'm just really upset I have to put out a new mock now.."

Gruden
"Well I think this is great, you know who I really like? This JJ Watt guy, I mean the guy can play football! Kind of reminds me of a guy I had back in Oakland by the name of Rich Gannon.."

Berman
"John, ignoring that Watt plays defense, I guess I would say that if there's anyone in the NFL who could play two games it week, it'd be JJ Watt.. To you Mort.."

Mort
"Boom, we just got word that due to the Browns selecting JJ Watt after he had already been in the league, The commissioner Roger Goodell has suspended Tom Brady 2 years, and docked New England 8 draft picks.."

We can take the learning curve completely out of the equation ....

Good stuff.. I needed a laugh this morning

Yeah, I thought we drafted 28 year olds!

Oh wait...

McCown will never make a full season. Hell he'll be lucky to make 3 games in row. We better have another veteran QB ready to go or we'll be seeing another Rookie QB thrown to the wolves.

Luke McCown is available. Go with the double McCown!

I wonder if the Ghost of Tim Couch doesn't effect some peoples views on starting rookie QBs.

We have not "ruined" any QBs by starting them too early.

None of them were any good to begin with, except for maybe Couch, on an expansion team..

We have a Top 5 Oline, solid pass catchers, and a good HC.

Rookies over the past few years have started early with a lot less.. and been fine.

Hey, for my money, if we draft a guy (and I don't care which round) and we like him and he gets a chance in camp to prove he's got what it takes, and PROVES IT, then by all means, start him.

Double McCown? LOL..."McBroken Ribs" with a bag of "McScabs" and a side order of "McScrambled Brains" pick it up!

damn sure hope so. after all isn't that what the # 2 pick is supposed to do even if a QB?

Got to love Josh McCown:



https://twitter.com/DustinFox37/status/727595058418077696

I think that Josh McCown is a really good guy, and I am proud to have had him on our team. That said, I hope Cody learns a lot from him quickly, because I do not expect him to be here come the end of training camp.

McCown is an excellent person to have in the QB room with both Griffin and Kessler. His positivity and leadership should help them adapt to their new environment a little quicker.

I think they keep 3 QB's on the roster (RGIII, Josh, and Cody).

Cfrs15, I agree with your assessment of mccown, we are lucky to have him. I don't know if RG3 will allow himself to be mentored, but that will be part of the big challenge for our coaching staff. I personally think Mccowan will be dealt when a team loses their QB to injury and they need a productive stop gap QB(Don Strock).

Many teams only carry two QBs.

Currently McCown costs us $5,041,666 against the cap. If we cut him, he costs us $2,333,334 against the cap. If he trade him, he costs us $1,333,334 against the cap.

While cap savings might not seem important because we have a ton of cap room, it is very helpful because we can roll our cap room over to future years.

I would guess that, at some point in the off-season, we trade McCown to a QB needy team for a conditional 7th round pick.

I couldn't agree more.
I like the thought of having two veteran QB's on the roster along with the rookie Kessler.
It will benifit RG3 and Kessler immensely imo.