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As a Christian I find this absolutely deplorable. Jesus listened to counter arguments, and didn't use ignorance. A popular hymn I know has a lyric that states "they will know we are Christians by our love". This stunt pulled at the meeting was anything but love.

It was about love .... love for their own children.

It is about protecting their own children from potential sexual predators. If you just want to allow people to use the restroom they "identify with", then what is to stop a male sexual predator from deciding that he fees like a woman today, and using the girl's restroom? How would you feel if you had a young daughter, and you were with her when she went into the restroom, and then a man who was demonstrably male went in after her?

I get that people want to be, somehow, inclusive ..... but really, you are excluding exponentially more with these kinds of policies.

Man, we need restrooms with male and female anatomy on them. If you have a penis, you use this restroom, and if you have a vagina, you use that one. No exceptions.

Target just announced that their restrooms will be open, basically, to whomever wants to use them. I find this as ridiculous as Wal-Mart saying that any person who identifies their dog as a service dog is allowed to take them into the grocery sections. Legitimate service dogs are identified as such, but people carry their dogs into the store, and when asked if the tiny dog in the purse is a service dog, many laugh and say, "Of course". People abuse this policy with their dogs, but we expect that people, including sexual predators, would never abuse this restroom policy. By the way, I am intolerant of putting girls and boys at risk from sexual predators. This means that I will no longer shop at Target, or at any other business that allows such idiocy.

You are welcome to your opinion. This is mine.

can't wait for the bathroom police to be all up in different areas.

What prevents rapists and sexual predators from entering restrooms at this current moment? Your argument boils down to a slippery slope logical fallacy.

We're allowed to disagree, but I just want some factual counter arguments, not directing this at you YTown...just to the whole population as a whole who is against this, not based on religious dogma or "if we do this then scary stuff will happen" type arguments.

Ok, the whole transgender thing confuses me (no pun intended)

So if you're a transgender boy, you have a vagina?

If you're a transgender girl, you have a penis??

Excuse my ignorance on this subject

A committed thief will break into your house if he wants to.

Does that mean you should not lock your doors?

It's interesting.

They all love big government legislating morality.

Actually, the only time I hear about conservatives wanting less government is with regards to businesses.

Everything else is fair game, apparently.

Making sense of complex political issues through comic strips and bumper sticker logic. Way to advance the discussion. <smdh>

I want to pick a side in this argument, I really do, but every time I get sucked into this I just end up feeling like this argument is truly pointless. I feel like my time would be better spent arguing how deep a pan has to be before it becomes a pot, or the order in which you assemble a taco, or googling examples of pointless arguments

"Hate" has become the new political discourse killer.. I don't know where it started by it's been through several cycles. Back in '04, '05 timeframe, the right used it. If you weren't on-board with spending billions on homeland defense and succumbing to the Patriot Act, and fighting wars all over the world, then it had to be because YOU HATED AMERICA. You weren't patriotic.. so the people with honest issues with it were shouted down, discourse was closed and they spent more time defending their love of country than actually discussing ideas..

Well the left has revitalized this strategy in a big way... if you don't want to spend trillions on social programs, then YOU HATE POOR PEOPLE!!!... If you don't bow to every demand of BLM then YOU HATE BLACK PEOPLE!!!.. if you have any issues or concerns with the LGBT movement then YOU HATE GAY PEOPLE!!!..

I'm f'ing sick of it. I've seen more ridiculous bullshit written about this issue in the last month (since NC is kind of at the center of issue) than I could even read.

A bunch of damn hypocrit celebrities cancelling concerts here because of a law that men should use the men's bathroom. Half of them have performed within the last year where it is ILLEGAL JUST TO BE GAY.. but now they are going to take a stand.. what a joke. Companies not wanting to operate here for the same reason because it's "hostile".. yet they all do business where you can be stoned to death for being gay... but this law is "Hostile?" GMAFB..

I don't want men in the women's bathroom.. sorry, I don't. It has nothing to do with transgender people really. I've been using the men's room for 50 years and aside from that rare occasion of the "trough" style pisser like at old Muni, I've never seen another man's penis in the men's room.. I could care less.

But the group on the left who has passed more laws using the "if it protects just one child it's worth it" logic now doesn't seem to care how many children it protects... and I'm absolutely NOT talking about protecting them from transgenders. The left who will work tirelessly to create roadblocks that keep those who shouldn't have guns from obtaining guns, now seem fine with creating a loophole that would allow any pervert that is willing to put on a wig and a skirt to waltz into the women's bathroom and if I say anything, I'M THE HATER..... HYPOCRITS. They don't care about safety, they care about appeasing a large voting bloc.

What the people in SC did at the meeting is wrong but really is in keeping with the climate of today. I wish Christians would be better than that, but they aren't.

At the end of the day, you have a small group of transgenders who want respected and they want to feel safe... on the other side you have folks, like me, who recognize the loophole being created that could easily be exploited and we want our family and children to be safe... but rather than talk about it like f'ing adults, lets call everybody haters and post comic strips.. yea, that will help solve the problem

I wonder how many DT posters have ever known a transgender individual.
I have... and Sandra posed no threat to anyone- especially children.




To date, those type arguments are all you will get, because that's all there is. Trans people are not pedophiles... and laws already exist to pursue, prosecute and punish those "people" who are. Fear is the only motivation behind these efforts- fear based upon ignorance about the subject... not hard facts, not data-driven research, not even anecdotal evidence.

But I don't expect to change anyone's mind about this issue. Most likely the only thing that could accomplish such a change of heart/mind is knowing a transgender individual. It took me about 2 years of hard soul-searching to get where I am now, and I'd known Sandra for 20 years before. I'm just glad I did the work... because 4 years into her new life, she was taken from us by a particularly aggressive form of brain cancer.

Stuart was a good friend for 20+ years... and Sandra was just as good a friend in the time we had together. I miss them both to this day- and I'm glad that I 'got over myself' enough to be her friend during her last months on Earth. Had I not done that, I'd have missed my only chance to say goodbye in June, 2014. I like not having to carry around that regret. I'm a better person for choosing as I did.

This is a new challenge for our society. Previous generations could do nothing to prepare us for dealing with such a medical reality, so we'll have to go it on our own. I fully expect us to progress on much the same trajectory as most other social issues that have gone on before. We should talk again in 20 years.

Sorry Clem, you are dead wrong... because I'm not afraid of transgender people and I'm not really afraid of my kids being in the bathroom with one. So knowing 1 or 10 or 100 wouldn't change my mind in the slightest. This is the fallacy behind the argument. Everybody makes the assumption (and the mocking jokes) that people are afraid of transgender people.. and maybe some are. But most of the people I know who oppose gender-neutral bathrooms, have NOTHING to do with transgender people.

yea, i don't know what to choose either, which is why it basically boils down to this:

Everybody in america has used a public restroom with a transgendered person at some point in their lives while having zero idea about it. and if you live in a metro area, quite possibly daily or weekly.

so right now we have two sides who brought attention to what was essentially a non existent problem.

now it's yet another issue thats dividing this country.

religious vs non religious
gay vs straight
men vs women
black vs white
rich vs poor
and now this.

We live in two Americas. Some on this board already knew that, now others are starting to wise up to it.

if people would just mind their own damn business, a lot of problems could start to diminish.

unfortunately, minding ones own business is clearly a minority opinion.

How much would you like to bet that this thread discussion does downhill for many other reasons besides a pic that pokes fun at politics?

sorry Memphis, I was not picking on you specifically, but that's all I see on FB and everywhere else when it comes to this argument... reference Swish's comment above about people having already used the bathroom with a transgender person.. I will say, for the third time, I don't care if a transgender person uses the bathroom with me.. or my kids for that matter... as soon as they come up with a way to determine who the real transgenders are and the pretenders can be identified for trying to use the wrong bathroom, this issue can be closed for me.

But all I see are cartoons and snippets and memes that really do nothing to further the honest discussion that we need to have, they only serve to instigate and infuriate those on the other side..

so, will you admit then that this wasn't a concern for you until after politicians and the media brought it up?

cause it sure sounds like this is the case.

Here's my opinion on this matter. I have kids, and I've worried about sending them into a public bathroom when they were young. I was able to accompany my sons, but I wasn't able to accompany my daughters. Women can be perverts too. I'd personally like to see more family bathrooms in public spaces.

If a true transsexual (meaning someone truly trying to portray themselves as the opposite gender) goes into a bathroom, you'd never know it, as they will act like that opposite gender. They'd just do their business and leave. I wouldn't have wanted my sons or daughters in a bathroom with that person that just puts on the clothing and gets a thrill. In my opinion, a walking carpet in a dress is not transsexual.

I am not a christian, and my opinion is not based on religion. My opinion is based on practicality and safety.

thats a valid pov.

now my question is this: how many times did that happen that there was a creep in your kids bathroom?

just to be clear, i'm not saying that it's a non issue if there's only a few cases about it, or that nothing should be done.

what i'm asking is that where was all the outrage of trans gendered people and bathrooms prior to gays being allowed to be married?

there's a huge correlation going on with that right now.

You're missing the point, as are most people who are arguing for this law. This has zero to do with Transgender people. Like DC is saying, in the rush to appease the LGBT community, politicians have created a law with a gaping loophole for sexual predators. Rather than address it, everyone is just quickly jumping to their usual, "Well you must hate [insert minority group], you massive bigot" argument.

I've seen an image on Facebook with a picture of Bruce Jenner and Jared Foggle, trying to say something along the lines of "The one that looks like the woman isn't going to hurt your child" ... They've missed the point entirely. The point is it doesn't matter which one is dangerous to children, it's that either one of them can now enter the women's room and you have no justification or recourse for kicking the pervy one out.

I can't answer how many times there was a creep in the bathroom. I would have to think my presence kept them away from my kids.

This has nothing to do with gays being allowed to marry. This outrage has to do with governments saying 'it's ok' without input from the people.

You have railed about christians influencing government imposed morality. Isn't this the same thing from the opposite side? We've all been told that transgendered can use whatever bathroom the feel they should, without any input. In those states that were allowed a vote, they're being shunned by businesses and other governments if they voted opposite to what those businesses and governments thought they should. How is it that Apple can threaten businesses in NC but continue business in Saudi Arabia and other places that put LGBTs to death? Nothing but a bunch of hypocrites in my eyes.

I don't work for Apple. and i'm not a CEO.

i can't speak for a business, i can only speak from an individual standpoint.

as i said when i responded to gage, i don't really have a side in this, as i'm neither gay, transgendered, or religious.

This issue in all honesty doesn't affect my life, IMO. whether they made a law about this or not, the threat has ALWAYS been there that there are predators looking in bathrooms.

i dunno if you remember this, but in a weed thread a year ago, you said weed laws wasn't gonna stop people from smoking weed. murder laws isn't gonna stop people from murdering.

so a bathroom law is gonna stop predators from...well, being a predator just because he/she cant act transgendered? no. how many people was using that disguise in the first place?

are the transgender bathroom laws gonna stop a pervert teacher from touching your kids?

no.

was it gonna stop priest from touching little kids?

no

was it gonna stop all the creeps who park in front of schools trying to get kids in the free candy van?

no.

there's already a law for assaulting minors and such, so these laws are nothing more than a feel good situation, as well as a tool to boost elections.

It absolutely was not on my radar until it became a legal issue. Previously if my daughter was in the bathroom and I saw a person who looked like a man go in... I could be on alert. If this moves forward, I will not. I guess I will just have to walk in and lean against the sink and make sure the person is a harmless transgender and not a pedophile.

This did not become an issue in the state of North Carolina until the city of Charlotte announced that it was legalizing gender-neutral bathrooms in government buildings on February 23.. the state responded by making a state law, which overrode the local law making bathrooms gender specific by anatomy.. hopefully we can get to a point where we can talk about it like adults.

The biggest thing that ticks me off is the name calling (on both sides) and the tremendous amount of misinformation out there.

There was one article about a transgender athlete who was coming here to compete in an olympic trial who said he now wouldn't feel safe in the bathroom at his hotel or in a restaurant.. ok, first, this bill has NOTHING to do with what a private business chooses to do with it's bathrooms. So the musicians who didn't want their crew members to face arrest for using the wrong bathroom.. unless they were peeing at the statehouse in a public library, they were subject to the rules of the venue, not the state government.. as for PayPal or any of the other businesses, if you want gender-neutral bathrooms in your building, HAVE AT IT. Nothing the state can do about it.

thanks for proving my point.

for the majority of americans, this was a non existent problem until both sides of the Bigotry Train Station decided it was to be a problem.

i guess the next big thing is if guys will be allowed to go outside in public with beards or not.

always something to keep us separated.

I was just speaking my mind, I wasn't NOT trying to prove your point.


It wasn't a problem for me (and most) because if you saw a guy go in the women's bathroom, you said something or you confronted him... now you can't or you will be labeled a hater and a homophobic.


No, the next big thing would be them passing this down into the high schools, the middle schools, and the elementary schools. Fortunately the hormone ravaged 16 and 17 year old boys, I'm sure would be respectful and never try to take advantage of the opportunity to use the girls bathrooms.. then it would be applied to the showers and locker rooms.. Maybe you want your 15 year old daughter stripping down to change for gym class in a room full of 17 year old boys, I do not.


I'm just calling for calm discussion.. stop with the hyperbole, stop with the misinformation, stop with the name-calling

whether or not you was trying doesn't matter.

you proved my point.

you can state hyperbole, misinformation and such right after posting this:

"Maybe you want your 15 year old daughter stripping down to change for gym class in a room full of 17 year old boys, I do not."

you can't ask for a calm discussion right after saying some nonsense like this. the only reason i'm not blasting you right now is because the refs are gonna suspend me again for nothing.

...which is why I said, in my original post:



For me, this is a case of 'gilding the lily,' DC. As with our gun-control arguments: "Let's enforce the laws we already have."

As I see it, the whole transgender issue is a new-ish one... and these laws are being passed so frightened folks can feel better about "doing something"... even though the something they're doing:

1. duplicate laws that are already on the books
2. will do nothing to stop/deter a determined predator.

As a father and a grandfather I NEVER want a person with male anatomy going into the restroom with my daughter or granddaughter.

People wish to uphold the right of a few to abuse the rights of others. There has to be a line drawn somewhere and this is where I draw it.

You should look into the science of gender identity. The pathways in the brain work in quite interesting ways.

Blast me in PM if you like.. but that's not hyperbole, that's the direction this issue is going and you are going to have to ask yourself how you feel about it over the next few years....

A high school in Illinois has already been forced to allow a boy, who identifies as a girl, to use the girls locker room. This isn't about a bathroom where everything occurs in a stall, this is out in the open... this would be going to and from the showers, etc... all of the "strictly bathroom" arguments that folks refuted.. those things I was told I was silly for worrying about because they didn't apply to bathrooms.. they will apply soon enough..

So blast away.... or answer the question, in 8-10 years, do you want your daughters stripping, showering, and changing for gym in a room that has boys in it?

no.

and it won't happen. that straight males will be showering with females.

that's a logical fallacy.

but why am i not surprised. this board is filled with overreactions, oversimplifying problems, and just general intolerance of anything.

you're using hast generalizations and such to make your point, which is hyperbole, seeing as your just stated you're against that stuff.

but i see you bought into the fear mongering hook line and sinker. carry on bro. this crap is getting ridiculous.

you guys on this board are scared of everything. buy into everything. yall remind me of those intolerant radicals in the middle east, every single day.

and i sincerely mean that.

the divide and intolerance in this country is starting to rival that of middle eastern nations, yet you guys are too blinded by fear and hate to even realize it.

you guys say that the middle east doesn't progress socially.

look at this thread, and past threads. then look at the rhetoric that happens around this country.

we are turning into our enemy.

OK I am going to chime in on this now. If it dangles then you must use the mens room. I don't care if you have a pair of double DD's on top. If you have a penis then you should have to use the mens room. If you have a v J J then you should have to use the ladies room, even if you have a beard and hairy chest. That is my personal opinion so feel free to agree or disagree with me. My Opinion is not going to change.

All we need is for me to take a Chipotle power dump or two in the ladies room and people will be screaming to go back to the segregated johns.

You may think it's nonsense, and it's probably an exaggeration from DC, but the point is that there's really nothing stopping a class of 17 year old boys from doing exactly that right now.

My wife works at a public high school that has adopted this policy. If a boy says he feels like a woman and wants to use the woman's room (which has already happened), the pool manager has been told explicitly that he is not allowed to stop that from happening. If an entire class of boys were to get together and decide to do the same thing, he really has no recourse from telling them no. So while you might think it's a ridiculous notion, there's really nothing stopping it from potentially happening.

thanks for THAT image......

Yep, because laws and policies like this are based not upon what is, but upon how people say they feel.

A high school boy says he feels like a woman, so he gets to shower with the girls? ("I'm just a female lesbian trapped in a man's body ... really. That's why I am dating a girl. Don't judge me!")

People bring up things that could happen and are told, "Oh no, that could never happen" .... until it does. This kind of stuff, and the mindset that says that it is bad to say something that might offend or "trigger" someone ..... Wow.

This and so much of the rest of the idiocy I see in the world truly makes me wonder not what this world will be like in 100 years ..... but if there will be a world in 100 years. I mourn for the world, because I think that we are on a rapid descent into hell. We accept more and more and more and more actions as "normal", and even moral. Pretty soon the only immorality will be speaking out against immorality. Heck, for many people, that day is already here.

Recognizing that people get born with different mindsets other than their body isn't a slippery slope. It's scientific acknowledgement that the brain exists as a much more complex part of our body than realized.

It's much like how science finds a plethora of evidence to support you're born attracted to who you're born attracted to.

i hope you realize that science and the typical ideology on this board doesn't exactly mix.

Awesome, awesome, awesome! I am so proud of these these people. They Sure got their point across without a doubt.

Funny thing is........why are we really worrying about someone singing Jesus Loves Me when blacks and hispanics and others were using the f word and a certain finger to disrespect Trump rally attendees in California and we saw little mentioned about that? What a sharp contrast.

What incredible values we have in this country.

Jesus Loves Me: The f word and a finger - and we discuss and create a thread about about the folks singing Jesus Loves Me. Gheeez........

I am incredibly proud of these singing protestors! Incredibly!!!!!

My opinion and I am proud of it!