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RocketOptimst ... God does not Dam the innocent, ... Rest those thoughts for your own sake.
Really? Because there's a whole book on innocent suffering in the Bible...
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He actually called Peter, on of his Apostles, "Satan" when he spoke in opposition to God's plan for Jesus. Well, "satan" does mean "opposer" in Hebrew. If you try to find the character "Satan" in the old testament, you'll find a hard time finding it, and a harder time finding out if he has personal sovereignty or if he's just a tool of God. Really fascinating stuff. Daniel 12:2 "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame in everlasting contempt." Here we have Danial a Patriarch from the Old Testament (605-535 BC) telling us of a resurrection and heaven ("everlasting life"). He doesn't reference satan, but whats important is that he speaks of an "everlasting contempt"... What we know as hell. satan we are told was incontempt of the Lord. The evil one or belzabub(sp)? IIRC.
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RocketOptimst ... God does not Dam the innocent, ... Rest those thoughts for your own sake.
Really? Because there's a whole book on innocent suffering in the Bible... A child is innocent of their parents sin at birth. It is the world that takes our innocents. The suffering of the innocent can be found from beging to end. That is not to say they are dammed. If we beleive that Jesus died for us, how can we also believe that he would also dam any of us. You have to find your way to him.
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He actually called Peter, on of his Apostles, "Satan" when he spoke in opposition to God's plan for Jesus. Well, "satan" does mean "opposer" in Hebrew. If you try to find the character "Satan" in the old testament, you'll find a hard time finding it, and a harder time finding out if he has personal sovereignty or if he's just a tool of God. Really fascinating stuff. Daniel 12:2 "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame in everlasting contempt." Here we have Danial a Patriarch from the Old Testament (605-535 BC) telling us of a resurrection and heaven ("everlasting life"). He doesn't reference satan, but whats important is that he speaks of an "everlasting contempt"... What we know as hell. satan we are told was incontempt of the Lord. The evil one or beelzebub prince of demonds as found in Mark 3:32 Also Mark 1:13 And he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by satan.
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Ahhhh............so this has be a religious debate.
Meanwhile, shy, insecure, girls who are undergoing drastic anatomical changes and have to share bathrooms and locker rooms w/classmates who have male body parts are once again........ignored.
It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females.
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Ahhhh............so this has be a religious debate.
Meanwhile, shy, insecure, girls who are undergoing drastic anatomical changes and have to share bathrooms and locker rooms w/classmates who have male body parts are once again........ignored.
It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females.
imo this is not a debate fot religion. Sorry for my part in hijacking this thread.
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what about young, vulnerable males?
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Ahhhh............so this has be a religious debate.
Meanwhile, shy, insecure, girls who are undergoing drastic anatomical changes and have to share bathrooms and locker rooms w/classmates who have male body parts are once again........ignored.
It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females.
Don't know if you know this, but the very thread title MADE it a religious debate. We can also walk and chew gum at the same time. The original poster asked how it was 'Christlike' to sing Jesus Loves Me during a meeting when this subject came up. So….rocket kinda asked for this.
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what about young, vulnerable males? Like the law in NC said, use the bathroom you were born to use. Definitely should be treated the same.
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i agree with the treatment.
i'm not trying to be that dude, but to act like this issue only affects girls is kinda one sided.
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what about young, vulnerable males? I haven't read about students who were born female demanding to use the boy's bathrooms and locker rooms, so I didn't address it. I will say that I think it is a bit disturbing that female reporters have access to male locker rooms while the players are changing and showering. But, that's another story. Swish.........do you have daughters? If so, you'll know what I am talking about when they are around the ages of 11-17. It's a tough time for many girls.
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i agree with the treatment.
i'm not trying to be that dude, but to act like this issue only affects girls is kinda one sided. Statistically speaking it does happen much more often 9that girls are abused) but yeah, there are instances of girls transgendering to boys who want to use the boys locker room and the boys are uncomfortable with it.
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Ahhhh............so this has be a religious debate.
Meanwhile, shy, insecure, girls who are undergoing drastic anatomical changes and have to share bathrooms and locker rooms w/classmates who have male body parts are once again........ignored.
It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females.
Don't know if you know this, but the very thread title MADE it a religious debate. We can also walk and chew gum at the same time. The original poster asked how it was 'Christlike' to sing Jesus Loves Me during a meeting when this subject came up. So….rocket kinda asked for this. I get the part about the title, but there are real issues here other than another stupid-ass religious argument. And picking on Rocket is not cool, either.
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i do.
and i'm going to be perfectly honest with you and the board.
this issue just simply doesn't bother me much, if at all.
i think it's waaayyyy overblown. the threat has always been there, so this new agenda from both sides doesn't affect what i had already thought about creeps in the bathroom in the first place.
i know it's not you, but people are acting like the issue didn't exist decades before these new laws.
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Ahhhh............so this has be a religious debate.
Meanwhile, shy, insecure, girls who are undergoing drastic anatomical changes and have to share bathrooms and locker rooms w/classmates who have male body parts are once again........ignored.
It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females.
Don't know if you know this, but the very thread title MADE it a religious debate. We can also walk and chew gum at the same time. The original poster asked how it was 'Christlike' to sing Jesus Loves Me during a meeting when this subject came up. U So….rocket kinda asked for this. Maybe so, but my stance is that religion and my faith do not give anyone the right to judge others or let them be marginalized or persecuted in anyway sharpe or form ... The inquisition passed into history along with the dark ages. Unfortunately not the hypocrites who would preach hate in the name of God. Like I said in an earlier post. We should just give them their own rest rooms. This issue will not simply fade away.
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Ahhhh............so this has be a religious debate.
Meanwhile, shy, insecure, girls who are undergoing drastic anatomical changes and have to share bathrooms and locker rooms w/classmates who have male body parts are once again........ignored.
It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females.
Don't know if you know this, but the very thread title MADE it a religious debate. We can also walk and chew gum at the same time. The original poster asked how it was 'Christlike' to sing Jesus Loves Me during a meeting when this subject came up. So….rocket kinda asked for this. I get the part about the title, but there are real issues here other than another stupid-ass religious argument. And picking on Rocket is not cool, either. No one is picking on rocket. He let the hypocrites and haters cloud his judgment ... When he made the statement on being dammed from birth. Thats what they want you to think. I hope he doesn't beleive that.
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This covers everyone who may need to use a restroom. How you feel, today, tomorrow or next week is subjective and completely irrelevant. You are what you are and this can't change, acceptance of your natural self isn't a bad thing. 
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I am not even making the argument about pervs pretending to be transgendered to get access to female bathrooms and rape girls/women.
I am saying many girls in that particular age group have a lot of conflicting issues that they are trying to come to grasp with and that forcing them to accept a person w/male genital parts is insensitive and cruel.
Did any of read the part of the article that spoke about how the girl was being called names and resorted to wearing her gym clothes under her regular clothes so she wouldn't have to use the locker room? That's a real issue.
Oh..........and you religious zealots should chill. Your more interested in your beliefs than you are about real issues.
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i'm offended that the walls are grey.
change it to hot pink, plz.
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He actually called Peter, on of his Apostles, "Satan" when he spoke in opposition to God's plan for Jesus. Well, "satan" does mean "opposer" in Hebrew. If you try to find the character "Satan" in the old testament, you'll find a hard time finding it, and a harder time finding out if he has personal sovereignty or if he's just a tool of God. Really fascinating stuff. Actually, the more accurate translation of 'satan' is 'adversary'. You can find a lot of that character in the book of Job.
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i'm offended that the walls are grey.
change it to hot pink, plz. Since you said please, I'll tell you I would if I could but I hot linked it.
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Like I said in an earlier post. We should just give them their own rest rooms. Just like same-sex couples should have an astrieks next to their marriage, be called a civil union, or not be in a marriage? Just like this, too?  ------------------------------------------------------------ Have any of you looked up the amount of suicides from trans-gendered individuals, or those who go to "pray the gay away"? Choosing to act straight or feel like the opposite gender of what your mind thinks tough. Just try to think and feel the opposite of what you do. That's how these people feel. No, I don't feel picked on. I don't get the persecution complex that some get over differing opinions on here. I'm well aware I'm young, and my generation, and those of my generation tend to get a bit more inclusive, and accepting. It's something that happens over human history. ---------------------------------------------- Okay, we're born to make the choice to sin or not. However, the majority of us aren't hardwired to be attracted to the same-sex, or our internal mind process matches up with our physical anatomy. Fact is that God created these individuals as they are, sin can't mutate DNA, and I wholeheartedly believe they are accepted as they are. Sorry if that bothers some of you, but the God and Christ I follow wouldn't create an individual damned off of gender or sexual orientation. Neither was I brainwashed about this. These conclusions I came to my own when I was 19. These critical thoughts put me into many years of agnosticism. I know my Bible, and the messages. I attended a Lutheran school from K-8, went to church for a good portion of my early life, but got drawn away to multiple levels of hypocrisy. Who I am, including my drive to commit to the Gospel of Social Justice from Christ, is due to my upbringing in the church. I do think there's a religious component to this law. It's the major thing that ends up wedging people away.
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This subject only started AFTER the preme court made gay marriage legal in the usa.
The media only openly flaunted the Kardashians "Bruce" Jenner's cross dressing, ALSO after the preme court made gay marriage legal in the usa.
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Unlike you, I don't equate the idea of separating trans bathrooms with segregation of the past. I've even heard liberals refer to people with transgendered/transsexual traits to a 3rd gender. Why would it be wrong to have a 3rd gender bathroom? Why should my daughter or son have to be subjected to a person they wouldn't understand at a young age? What is the proper age to explain this multitude of sexual differences to children?
I have known gay people that were more comfortable around other gay people. A good friend of mine that I had known since high school outed himself as gay in his 30s, and it took him another 5 years to come back around the group of friends we all belonged to since high school. We all still treat each other as we always have.
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Interesting dichotomy you're using here, but I see the logic behind it. Good discussion I believe that we (I) will be judged by the same measure that we judge others.
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I'm well aware I'm young, and my generation, and those of my generation tend to get a bit more inclusive, and accepting. It's something that happens over human history. So, older people are all incapable of being inclusive and accepting of others. LOL.........the hypocrisy of your statement is staggering. Btw---------I am still waiting to hear from you about the rights of young, shy girls who don't want to see male body parts. How accepting are you of their rights?
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Like I said in an earlier post. We should just give them their own rest rooms. Just like same-sex couples should have an astrieks next to their marriage, be called a civil union, or not be in a marriage? Just like this, too? ------------------------------------------------------------ Have any of you looked up the amount of suicides from trans-gendered individuals, or those who go to "pray the gay away"? Choosing to act straight or feel like the opposite gender of what your mind thinks tough. Just try to think and feel the opposite of what you do. That's how these people feel. No, I don't feel picked on. I don't get the persecution complex that some get over differing opinions on here. I'm well aware I'm young, and my generation, and those of my generation tend to get a bit more inclusive, and accepting. It's something that happens over human history. ---------------------------------------------- Okay, we're born to make the choice to sin or not. However, the majority of us aren't hardwired to be attracted to the same-sex, or our internal mind process matches up with our physical anatomy. Fact is that God created these individuals as they are, sin can't mutate DNA, and I wholeheartedly believe they are accepted as they are. Sorry if that bothers some of you, but the God and Christ I follow wouldn't create an individual damned off of gender or sexual orientation. Neither was I brainwashed about this. These conclusions I came to my own when I was 19. These critical thoughts put me into many years of agnosticism. I know my Bible, and the messages. I attended a Lutheran school from K-8, went to church for a good portion of my early life, but got drawn away to multiple levels of hypocrisy. Who I am, including my drive to commit to the Gospel of Social Justice from Christ, is due to my upbringing in the church. I do think there's a religious component to this law. It's the major thing that ends up wedging people away. Well said,....but I don't think that giving them their own bathroom is the same as your examples above. It's about the privacy we should all exspect to have in performing a daily function. I was baptised and raised in a Lutheran Church. The mother of my children was raised Catholic. When we looked into getting our first born baptised. She asked her priest about setting up the baptism. He told her that, because I was not Catholic that they could only perform the babtisim under certain conditionds ... We had to agree that my daughter would be educated by the Catholic schools exclusively. It was then that I realised that all things are not equal in the eyes of the chruch. I don't want to come off as againt the Catholic sect or anyother, because I feel that most sects have their own hypocricies. The fact that they do ... drove me away from worship with fellowship. Like Thomas Jefferson I feel that I'am a sect of my own. I didn't reject God. I still search for the thruth. Just on my own terms and without prejudices that I think come with fellowship in one of our secular church's. I will not condem or judge others that worship in fellowship. It just doesn't give me the relationship I want with God. I feel like I have hijacked this thread, but It seems to me that this should have it's own thread.
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He wasn't saying that all old people are incapable of acceptance.
All he's saying is that the further along each generation goes, the more accepting we are of people who aren't like us.
Unless of course, you prefer we be like the Middle East.
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And once your daughters get older, you may change your mind as well.
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Tragically, what its going to take for one of these warm fuzzy lefties to come around is for one of their family members to be violated, raped or killed.
I know weirdos are already going into bathrooms and doing things to vulnerable people now, but all you're doing in trying to be so sensitive is give a weirdo the legal right to be there.
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Vers and rocket, have either of you watched the video I posted that can be found at the bottom of Page 2 of this thread?
I'd repost the link but it's a pain to do on my phone.
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LOL......I get it..........it's only okay for some people to make broad-sweeping generalizations about other groups of people. You two are as guilty of bias as those you mock and chastise on a daily basis.
Btw------------I still haven't heard him answer my question on whether or not pre-teen and teenage girls have any rights? This isn't just about bathrooms. It's also about locker rooms. Why should a young girl be subjected to seeing a male's body parts if she is uncomfortable w/it?
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Btw------------I still haven't heard him answer my question on whether or not pre-teen and teenage girls have any rights? This isn't just about bathrooms. It's also about locker rooms. Why should a young girl be subjected to seeing a male's body parts if she is uncomfortable w/it? RocketOptimist said:
I'm not sure you're equating the quiet kids to a group of people who hatefully sang "Yes, Jesus Loves Me"? ---------------------------------- Why should a young girl be subjected to seeing a male's body parts if she is uncomfortable w/it? Most well adjusted human beings go into locker rooms to change. Not to stare at genitalia, or flaunt their stuff. If said individual is being perverted by making a point of flatuning their stuff, then consequences must happen. I find it odd you only used women. What about the shy guys? One could argue a sexist viewpoint if they so choose, but I ain't got time for that. --------------------------------- only okay for some people to make broad-sweeping generalizations about other groups of people Just stating that it seems millennials end up more open to differences than groups from the past. Not saying older generations are incapable of it, the baby boomers ended up responsible for Civil Rights, but each generation gets a bit more progressive.
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LOL......I get it..........it's only okay for some people to make broad-sweeping generalizations about other groups of people. You two are as guilty of bias as those you mock and chastise on a daily basis.
Btw------------I still haven't heard him answer my question on whether or not pre-teen and teenage girls have any rights? This isn't just about bathrooms. It's also about locker rooms. Why should a young girl be subjected to seeing a male's body parts if she is uncomfortable w/it?
Who the hell is the victim here?
Because I agree ... why shouldn't they? Listen I'm probably the most conservstive person I know (other then pops), but when it's a comes to personal liberties. I'm in favor of "what evet makes them happy" (to quoting a dear and recently departed life time friend/brother). If we can't accommodate this small percentage of our so called "great society" ... Then what does that say about us as a society?
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It's more important to champion one's religious beliefs and to make sure that transgendered students be given their rights than it is to even consider the rights of young, vulnerable females. Personally, I don't think it's more important at all. There are enough 'protection' oriented posts in this thread alone to suggest otherwise. What I do think is this: the subject of trans rights is so breathtakingly new, that our conversation about it has just begun. It's only natural for it to take this trajectory in its initial phase. But here's what I've learned from being an American: where rights of the individual are concerned, we have a moral and civic obligation to find solutions to inequalities whenever we can... and most rights are not part of a "zero sum game." In other words: if handled correctly, granting someone rights/public access that are already enjoyed by others should NOT necessarily infringe upon the rights of those previously unaffected by the new paradigm. After the Persons With Disabilities Act became law, cities all across our country reshaped curbs, retro-fitted buildings and re-worked public spaces to give access to millions who were previously denied. After the Civil Rights Act, millions were allowed access to facilities/services that were closed to them. In both instances, solutions were found that took NO appreciable rights from someone else, while improving the lot of many who were deserving yet deprived. I believe there is a solution to this 'problem,' as well. To date, we simply haven't hit upon what that solution is. Where there's a will, there's a way. .02
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So true, ... We as a society, throughout our history have been slow to set our sails towards the prevailing winds. As if we can somehow change its direction.
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Most well adjusted human beings go into locker rooms to change. Not to stare at genitalia, or flaunt their stuff So, a young girl who is going through dramatic anatomical changes should not be given rights because she is not "well adjusted?" You are every bit as ugly as those you fight. I find it odd you only used women. What about the shy guys? One could argue a sexist viewpoint if they so choose, but I ain't got time for that. You won't argue it, but you will hurl a baseless allegation. I also find it odd that as a teacher, you have not taken the time to understand the differences between middle school and high school girls and boys. Just stating that it seems millennials end up more open to differences than groups from the past. Not saying older generations are incapable of it, the baby boomers ended up responsible for Civil Rights, but each generation gets a bit more progressive. I don't know about that. It seems to me that some of the younger guys on here extremely closed-minded and you are one of them. You only champion one side in every social issue that comes up on this board. That's not progressive. It's narrow-minded because you refuse to consider the other side of the debate. I'm not sure you're equating the quiet kids to a group of people who hatefully sang "Yes, Jesus Loves Me"? I don't care about the religious angle to the bigger issue here. The freaking religious zealots drive me nuts w/their spiel....."you don't know your bible" BS! I think the rights of young people are on the line here and I don't give a rat's butt about either side of the religious debate. All I know is that some of you are championing the rights of the transgendered while completely ignoring the rights of other children who are having their right violated. You really said "well adjusted?" God forbid those who are not "well adjusted," at least according to your biased evaluation, receive equal rights as those well-adjusted transgendered students!
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And you had the hypocritical nerve to accuse us of picking on Rocket??
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
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Nobody made broad generalizations. We said over time, things change.
And my comment was specifically directed at YOU.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
- Theodore Roosevelt
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