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Seeing a lot of trashing of previous regimes by guys who praised them in the past and trashed anyone who questioned those regimes.

Why?

Kessler really doesnt need a strong arm. He checks down 99% of the time.

Because QB's, DE's, DT's, and CB's are more coveted in the draft than any 5-11 WR.

Beckham Jr. is not the guy that pops into my mind when comparing a NFL receiver to Coleman.

5'11" Odell Beckham Jr was drafted 12th overall.

Beckham Jr. is not the guy that pops into my mind when comparing a NFL receiver to Coleman.

Eotab, not trying to be an a hole, but I think you're getting a little too excited and carried away. Rookie minicamp hasn't even begun yet, we have no idea how this draft class is or how they'll transform.

There's no evidence to support this regime won't fail us too, not yet and probably not until a couple years.

I like the direction they went though. You used the phrase "on the surface" and yes, on paper I too feel like we carried out a good draft. We'll get somewhat of an idea watching these young kids in preseason.

Must I post the way you all wish for me to post...my goodness.

Kessler may or may not pan out, but he was worth the risk IMHO, if Hue thinks he can mold him into a QB. I think the kid has the tools to be as good as the red rocket.

I know...just if I wish to get excited let me get excited. If I miss spoke on anything...discuss/debate it but just don't go and say nicely or insultingly same difference...Shut up and sit down NOTHING IS UNTIL IT HAPPENS...then close the freaking board.

I love it when the folks who say "You can't judge a draft for 2 years" are the ones who come on two years later and tell you they knew that draft was going to fail.

Someone earlier in a different thread said about A vs B level players.

So i look at this draft this way, even if none of them become A level players, if enough of them reach B level, consistent starters etc, then when we do add those A level players, their impact will be even better, because you won't be able to focus in on them as much..

Who knows how many of the 14 (& Taylor) reach even B level, I have hope for the top guys Corey, Shon, Emmanuel, Carl.. And Scooby.. Because if he and Barkevious can both contribute it's just good fun..

Because QB's, DE's, DT's, and CB's are more coveted in the draft than any 5-11 WR. We missed on Bosa, Ramsey, or Buckner, moving out of the number 2 spot and we missed on Floyd, Apple, Hargraves, or Rankins moving out of the number 8 spot.

We'll see. I still think we missed on top talent again and got a bunch of guys. We could hit on a few, but who really knows now?

Who is the NFL receiver that pops into your mind? Or are you just inserting yourself into a discussion with noting to add once again?

I love it when the folks who say "You can't judge a draft for 2 years" are the ones who come on two years later and tell you they knew that draft was going to fail. rofl

I love it when posters say they don't like a certain draft pick and people say that you can't judge a player for three years and then later in the day, make a post about what a great draft we had.

I love it when posters say they don't like a certain draft pick and people say that you can't judge a player for three years and then later in the day, make a post about what a great draft we had.

They make medication for that.

j/c...
For the record, every previous Regime has failed us Browns fans.

I am very surprised at the solid drafted players especially 3rd round and down all 12 could make our roster and effect the team all the way to our last pick Scooby - he could be a ST demon and improved depth on the field of play!

WR a solid 5 needed has always been a weakness of ours. I like all 4 additions.

Playmaker has escaped us since 99 now we have one in Coleman.

OT two solid picks one should vie for the starting RT job and the other could be a swing man depth OG/OT. Again bolster our special teams OL as well!

Team speed got a boost.

So many good things resulted from this draft and its PROSPECTS as the opportunity is there now its time to bring it to the field of PLAY!

And what was the cost??? We got 14 solid picks and we gained IMPACT picks for the future to boot. 2 Ones and 2 2nd rounders in 2017 along with 2 2nd rounders for 2018!

On the surface this was our BEST DRAFT since 99.
jmho

Put me on that list. I have supported and defended every regime we've had.. until they failed. And every regime to-date, has failed.

I don't do a lot of trashing, I don't get personal, but they have all failed for one reason or another...

So now I'm supporting and defending the current regime.. Predicting that they will fail is about as bold a move as predicting that a Hollywood marriage will fail...

Me3.
I can't afford to place a heavy emotional investment in this team for at least two full seasons, because I can't trust Jimmy H to keep what we have for a third.

{Opinion}

Many fans assume Jimmy Haslam will pull the plug on the latest configuration of Browns management if they don't turn the Browns into a winning franchise in 2 years. They make this assumption based on the fact that since he bought the Browns in 2012, he has pulled the plug 3 times; the Shurmer/Heckert regime in 2013, the Chudzinski/Lombardi regime in 2014, and the Pettine/Farmer regime in 2016.

Now I admit, that's a pretty compelling reason, if that is all you are looking at. But closer examination of the situation might suggest there are other factors which this group will have a longer leash.

First, there's Haslam himself. He is a very successful business man. He took his father's company and turned it into one of the 10 largest privately owned companies in the country. That takes a fair amount of intelligence and business acumen. He's not some country bumpkin making decisions on a whim.

Next, the firing of Shurmer and Heckert was a given, they weren't his guys. I was surprised when he kept them. He gave them a year, publicly to give them a chance to prove themselves, but I think it was as much so that he and Banner could formulate a plan, and that plan was to hire Chip Kelly. So after 1 year he fired his first group and turned on the full court press to woo Kelly. I think Haslam was so confident he could land him, that he never really had a backup plan. When Kelly turned him down, the Browns were behind the curve in the competition for HC candidates, and they ended up hiring rookie HC Chudzinski almost out of desperation after several more experienced options either declined or signed with other teams. A week later they hired Lombardi.

This is strictly my opinion, but I don't believe Lombardi and Banner were ever really on board for Chud. I was left with the distinct impression that they intended to fire him and hire someone they liked better, which is a shame because I thought he had a good staff and could have been a decent coach if he'd been given a chance. I think it was they, not Haslam, that forced the firing of Chud.

What followed was a circus of egos. With the 2nd firing of a coach in 2 years, the top candidates where wary and the longer the process went on, the more infighting developed and the less attractive the already unattractive position became. Haslam got fed up with the process, fired Lombardi, hired yet another rookie HC, this time without the good coaching staff, then fired Banner. He followed that up by naming assistant GM Farmer the new GM, another rookie.

I think at this point, Jimmy really wanted to give them time to see if they could make it work, but just about everything that could go wrong, did. Farmer made some pretty bad draft decisions, and of course there was Textgate. Pettine was looking pretty good 1/2 way through his first year, but when the losing started and didn't stop. The team got worse instead of better. I don't know what went on behind closed doors, but there have been several reports of major dysfunction within the organization. As much as Jimmy wanted to let them find their way, his business acumen told him this was a case where it's better to bite the bullet and pull the plug.

Again, I have nothing to prove what I think other than my knowledge of how people work, and what I think makes sense. Somewhere along the line, Jimmy and Sashi started to talk about what it would take to get the Browns on track. It might have started in a meeting, or something more casual. But it became an ongoing conversation, so at the end of the 2015 season, they had talked a lot and had a well defined plan. There were reports of Jimmy taking trips to talk to other owners/GMs. What we are seeing now is that plan into action. It really helps too that they got their first choice of HC and he put together a very experienced staff.

I think that at this point, Haslam is all in on the plan that he and Sashi made. He understands that it will take 3-5 years, and as long as the team isn't completely dys
functional, he will not pull the plug.