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Yea looked like Colt mccoy was playhign QB.

Well said ... we shouldn't hold his draft selection against him.

He is probably the biggest project of all 4 of our WR
draftees, but you can see by his film that his ceiling is very high. Physically he is very gifted.

J/c

5 drops in 83 targets doesn't equate to bad hands to me. Especially when he's mainly running vertical routes which by their nature have lower catch rates.

He's raw as heck, but the raw talent is their too.

Bad pick, too much of a reach this early in the draft, just like the Kessler pick.

He had a pretty bad QB situation as well. Looking at various clips and such, he caught a lot of passes that were badly off target, and/or that ran him right into the hit.

From PFF:

16 (114). Cleveland Browns: Ricardo Louis, WR, Auburn
Auburn was one of the most run-heavy offenses in the FBS last year, but when they did throw the ball Louis was extremely productive. His 3.51 yards per route run last year were the seventh-most in college football, but unfortunately he only ran 204 routes all season.

He caught 75 passes on 204 routes last year. That is a huge percentage.

J/c

I watched some of the game cut-ups DD has been posting.

Physically, this kid has a skillset that fits a prototype X receiver. Raw as hell but if he's smart and coachable don't see why he couldn't develop.

Whether or not it he pans out remains a question, but I like this kid.
Physical skillset? Ricardo is in Coleman's neighborhood.

I agree, I like Lewis. I live in SEC country and watched more than a few games that Auburn played. He always seemed to put up good numbers in a O that seemed to run about 80% of the time. I am sure it wasn't that high, but you and other should get the point. Auburn runs the ball.

Let me guess...........these guys aren't bozos, but geniuses?

I dunno. I don't judge writers as either. They are just writers, and they have their own opinions. I am not one to judge the "Bozo/No Bozo" aspect of things.

He could be a bust .... but I am willing to give him a chance. On the plus side, he was a huge piece of his team's pass offense, on not that many opportunities.

He had 204 pass routes all year, and had 75 catches. I read that one of our other drafted receivers had 800 pass routes last year. This kid ran 1/4 as many routes, yet he had excellent production.

All I am saying is that this kid was an inordinate percentage of his team's pass offense. He didn't get much help from the QB. He didn't get much help from other receivers. I have watched cut ups of this guy's college play, and he had tons of really horrible passes thrown his way. He was crushed immediately after catching the ball on too many occasions. He showed a really solid catch radius. He held onto the ball despite getting crushed.

Now, again .... I don't know if this kid will succeed or not. I don't know if Corey Coleman will succeed. Or anyone else, drafted by any team in the NFL.

Here is a snippet from his nfl.com scouting report: (and yes, it is the positives/strengths)

Thickly built wide out with a frame comparable to a running back. Handled substantial workload increase with dismissal of Duke Williams. Former "catch­-and­-run" receiver who proved effective with more complex routes. Gets open downfield with crisp routes and acceleration out of his breaks. Uses leverage, head fakes and subtle directional change to separate. Makes first tackler miss and will finish his run with some pop. Ran sweeps in Auburn rush attack and showed good field vision as runner. Aware and effective with footwork near sideline. Second gear is present against cornerbacks on skinny posts.

We'll see how he does in the NFL. I have a feeling that he's going to do better than most people seem to think.

I don't know why some are so eager to dismiss this kid. All he did was produce when given the opportunity..nothing wrong with that.

He produced and has speed.. and may have a knack for being one of those players who are always in the right place at the right time..

I hated him when he caught that ball against my bulldawgs... #ithurt

I think it is time for you to change your sig, peen.

Like ddub, age has really changed how tolerant and open you are to different opinions.

But yeah........you never start things.

Quick correction.

Ricardo had 46 catches last year. *ducks*

When watching the broadcast coverage there was a narrative put forth that Louis was reach.
There are several factors to consider when evaluating prospects. Physical skillset and production.
Louis didn't put up huge numbers because the style of offense and quality of QB play.
But he was highly productive with what he was asked to do.
I've read some reports that knock his hands and route running.
But watching the tape I don't see it.
This guy is making acrobat catches adjusting to poorly thrown balls that show off his catch radius.
His route tree is limited but he's creating separation.

Then you look at his measureables he's profiles like a prototype X. According to Sparq his closet comp was Andre Johnson (who oh BTW is available).

I'm not a homer by any means but the more research the more i like this pick.

I think I'll start referencing your name in posts you have nothing to do with in order to bring to light things I think are objectionable about you.

So because I and others read a scouting report that said he is a "great athlete with bad hands" - to quote another poster in this thread - and I express my disdain for pass-catchers who have trouble catching passes, that makes me a WHINER?

Ok, then.

Well you did try to be objective and we can't have that.

link you posted:

Chris Trapasso
@ChrisTrapasso
On 83 targets in 2015, I had Auburn WR Ricardo Louis with 5 drops... and these catches

Video of catches

So 5 drops = terrible hands?

It does not. This guy has the ability to be quite a deep threat for us. Along with CC it could be an excellent duo.

Not sure.........but, I think it was 46 catches w/5 drops.

j/c

His sample size with the drops is pretty small, so it's hard to get a great read on his hands. He averaged like 1/3 of a drop per game, or 1 drop every roughly 3 games. What will happen to the drop percentage if he has a higher volume of passes thrown his way? We'll have to wait and see.

I don't see "bad" hands. He makes some great catches. Hopefully Al Saunders and reps will get him more consistent.

The miraculous hail merry will go down as one of the all time SEC's greatest highlights.

He truly is a chunk of clay at this point, with the lack of sophistication in running routes. No fault of his own.

Putting things in a proper perspective and all things being equal, no more so a hunk of clay, then Josh Gordon was coming out of the supplimental draft imo.

J/k

Does anyone recall many/any college WRs whose NFL rookie year reception total were an increase from their last college season? (barring injury)

I know it happens with college TEs when the go to the NFL fairly often. But I wonder how often/if this phenomenon happens with WRs..............because I think Ricardo could be one of those guys.

I'd bet some WRs from the Big Ten end up having better #s in the pros ... maybe Michael Thomas is one of them

No man, you are Waaaay wrong on that. I am more open to other opinions. I don't dismiss them. I read them and soak them in...

I think the kid offers something we will value.


Plus...age has made me wiser...OK...things hurt more, and new things start to hurt....now it's a heel. It is what it is...

Hey Vers...even if I think you play cards I wouldn't, never question the bond. I don't discard friends easily. In most cases in my life, I am the last man standing.

Remember when Georgia Tech had a run on 1st and 2nd round WR's? Bet they saw more balls in NFL games than they did in college practice

But fewer in the NFL locker room .... smaller roster

Whoa. Can he read defenses?

lol!

Easy. The opposite of good hands, or, it might describe a wide receiver with a reputation (fair or not) of dropping too many passes thrown to him.

It's like tabloid journalism: hard to define, but you know it when you see it.

To me, bad hands is a WR who is looks like they are 'fighting' the ball. They make every catch look like an adventure. They don't adjust to the ball well in flight, they even find a way to drop routine passes. AND they do these things at a statistically higher rate then the other receivers they're being measured against.