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Unlike many past regimes this new FO...had a Plan and they executed it with much success. I think all the rookies drafted have talent. It should accomplish what they set out to do. Spring board a nucleus of talent that will set a foundation of this Regime.
The only thing I did not like was not taking Wentz at #2 I know we got so so much in return cause it rolled into more picks dropping back the 2nd time.
I just don't wish to be here 5 years from now...definitely a better team but a team still needing a Franchise QB to win a championship.
I do know we got RG3 and he could end up better. I do understand there were risks involved Wentz n Goff were no Andrew Luck. I'm happy we went the direction we did...and then again I'm not. All depends...if RG3 makes it back and we sign him long term then we had a major coup for the team. Kessler??? He is a player to develop. We are not counting on him to become the Franchise QB...it could happen just not counting on it. Teams don't plan on getting their Franchise QB with their 5th pick of the draft. On a rare occasion it does happen though.
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I believe some of the fallout has to do with this FO not doing what some people wanted or expected. Did they follow my wishes or draft who I wanted going into the draft? No.
But I at least understand some of their moves. I actually really liked the first three picks. I understand the plan, at least to date, on infusing a lot of new players to the roster. I believe it will turn out to be an average draft. I understand that mid round picks carry more of a gamble and not every pick will pan out. But that's a reasonable expectation.
I'm not trying to convince myself every pick they made will be great. I'm also not trying to convince myself they all will be awful. I watched the entire draft on the NFL Network. I didn't see anything out of line regarding our war room.
I believe we will reap some rewards and have some failures in this draft. Just as with every NFL draft. The amount of success remains to be seen. I would grade this draft somewhere between a C and a C+ based in my evaluation. But I'm just a fan on a message board. As such, I don't take my opinions that seriously. I'd rate it a A- as much based on what I've read on the guys we've drafted as the sheer number of picks (a 50% win rate is a whole normal draft worth of wins) and the picks next year.
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All the pictures I could find.  Swagger was in there.  Obama reserved part of the room.  Haslam's QB advisers were in the room but are on a break in this picture.  Dallas war room  Atlanta  The biggest distraction in my opinion. 
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What I hated the most about the war room was the lack of Browns gear. I own Cleveland Browns hats, sunglasses, dress shirts, rings, watches, belts. pants, shoes, socks, and underwear. Did you see Anybody wearing that kind of gear in the war room? Hell no they should all be ashamed of themselves 
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Not too unusual I guess...just looking at the pic by DeputyDawg of the Dallas War Room - they were wearing suit and ties...I thought maybe Hue would have something but those teams who came in formal wear didn't - those teams who came casual dressed had their teams Polo shirts etc.
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I was just finding something else to complain about rather than the We had a great draft No we didn't Did too Did not Did to Did not That goes on every damn year from the first day of the draft till the season starts, All the while with not a single one of us knowing if it will turn out to be great or suck. 
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Dont know if great or not but this was the most productive class in the history of the Browns lol. Most of these guys just had crazy stats considering where we drafted them. Very intrigued with this draft
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I assumed you guys all saw that clip of the war room.
I get your point about trying to understand why the front office bypassed some very good talent on days 1 and 2. I think it's safe to say that none of the mock drafts correctly predicted the draft strategy the Browns front office used in this draft. The Browns simply let the draft come to them and then reacted to the opportunities that materialized and those that they preferred...rather than plan each move.
Too soon to judge the quality of the talent the front office came away with. Being tied for the worst record in the NFL put the Browns in a position to deal with teams that wanted to move up to draft specific players. It seems that focusing on a specific player only became a priority for the Browns once they were done trading down. Our front office picked what they deemed was the best of the talent that was left.
But I see no harm in "questioning" the performance of the new front office..the talent they bypassed or the talent they decided to draft. I expect the front office's performance to be an ongoing discussion throughout the year, no different than every front office the Browns have had.
Just because these guys are from Harvard doesn't mean they will get a pass.
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Mac have you been hacked? I agreed with you twice in a week.
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I was just finding something else to complain about rather than the We had a great draft No we didn't Did too Did not Did to Did not That goes on every damn year from the first day of the draft till the season starts, All the while with not a single one of us knowing if it will turn out to be great or suck. And what side does history favor, GM?
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I was just finding something else to complain about rather than the We had a great draft No we didn't Did too Did not Did to Did not That goes on every damn year from the first day of the draft till the season starts, All the while with not a single one of us knowing if it will turn out to be great or suck. And what side does history favor, GM? That really depends on how far back you want to go.
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I think I joined the board in 2001. I think it started a year or two before that. So, I guess that would be as far back as we can go. Shoot man..........just look back to last summer. Some said our draft picks were great. Some said this roster was so talented. Some said playoffs. Some of us said the roster was poor. Some of us said that last year's team benefitted from an easy schedule. Some of us said there was dysfunction w/in the Brown's FO/coaching staff. Some of us said the Browns would win 4 or 5 games at most. Of course, we were ridiculed and called many names. Many of the posters who were receiving all the ugly comments quit posting due the severity of the attacks. Now, the very same posters who defended the previous regime w/so much vigor are trashing that very same regime and acting like anyone who questions a couple of picks is just whining and complaining. We got one guy on here who has always hated drafting WRs. He called steve out for saying we should draft 2 WRs w/our first two picks. He belittled anyone who challenged whether drafting Wentz was a good move. Now, that same dude is saying what a great draft we had and how Wentz was always a question mark. This same ridiculous crap has repeated itself for a decade and a half. You never hear some of these guys say............"Hey, some of you had a point." Instead, they act like none of that crap went down and start anew w/another attack. So yeah...........it's went down for awhile.
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Okay, if that is how far back you want to go, then history favors the draft that sucks.
I'm not sure if history has been repeated yet.
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Of course, we were ridiculed and called many names. Many of the posters who were receiving all the ugly comments quit posting due the severity of the attacks...
I hope those guy/girls do well in therapy and get treatment for their hurt feelings, after being severely attacked by dawgtalkers. haha
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I was just finding something else to complain about rather than the We had a great draft No we didn't Did too Did not Did to Did not That goes on every damn year from the first day of the draft till the season starts, All the while with not a single one of us knowing if it will turn out to be great or suck. And what side does history favor, GM? That really depends on how far back you want to go. We really can't go back with this front office at all though. This is their 1st "at bat". This draft will be the 2nd indicator as to whether or not this front office will be a successful one, or not. Their 1st, free agency, was a concern. We appear to have let a lot of guys just leave without trying all that hard to keep them. (notice I said "appear to", as none of us know for certain, but the appearance is there) It looks like the failed free agency, but that they graded out considerably higher in the draft. (my opinion) Right now, I like this draft. I think that they did a really good job of adding quality players and also adding extra value throughout the draft, and into future drafts. Unlike many drafts we have seen, we have a lot of chances to get things right. (or wrong, if that's how someone wants to look at it) However, I like the idea of getting extra chances to succeed. Now, if there had been a transcendent talent at #2, and we had passed, then that would have been one thing. If the draft was a weak draft, then that would have been another. However, this draft certainly appears to have been a really good draft, that was really flat throughout the 1st 2.5 or so rounds, at least once we got outside the top 5 or so. So, the question was this, is a player available at 2 better than the following: (the players we added in this draft as a result of the various 1st round trades we made) Corey Coleman Shon Coleman Cody Kessler Ricardo Lewis Derrick Kindred Jordan Payton Spencer Drango Plus we also added the 1st round pick of the Eagles next year, and their 2nd round pick in 2018 .... and the Titans' 2nd round pick in 2017. I think that history shows that having more swings equals a higher chance of hitting on a pick. I will add that I was really worried about this front office, especially the way they seemed to just let our better players just walk in free agency. However, they have started to swing the needle back into their favor as far as I am concerned by the way they handled the draft. We'll see how things turn out, but for right now, as far as this draft, I am encouraged.
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Does this change your perspective on the free agency period?
The players who left, specifically those whose departure generated compensatory picks in next year's draft, were all talented and popular players. But if the long term goal of the team is to be competitive in 3-5 years, which is more valuable, the players' value in the short term or the value of the picks in the long term?
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I am still not happy that we let talented young players walk. (and I understand that not every player necessarily wanted to stay)
Mitchell Schwartz is one of the top RT in the NFL, He is 26. Reports are that he wanted to come back. (and not being there, all I can go by is what has been reported) I think is a huge miss by this front office. i would also add that he wanted to be here. He really loved this city, and wanted to stay.
TaShaun Gipson is another guy I think the front office whiffed on. He had a very good year under Horton, and I think that he could have been brought back with a solid offer. There were reports that we never even offered him a contract though. He is only 25, and has been a real difference maker for this defense. Horton wanted him back, and he repeatedly said that he wanted to come back.
These are the kinds of guys you go over your analytics cap to retain. These are guys you overpay, especially when the team is $40 million or so under the cap. However, we let them walk. Now maybe the front office was like the duck in the water .... calm on the surface and paddling like crazy underneath, but I see no evidence of that.
I think that Mack was gone no matter what. He simply did not want to remain on this team, and that's going to happen with players from time to time. I would not have overpaid for Benjamin.
The 2 that just really stick in my craw are Schwartz and Gipson. One is a Pro Bowl Safety, and the other is a Pro Bowl caliber RT, who has gotten better year by year, despite playing in different schemes seemingly every year or 2.
I think that those are 2 big misses by this front office. I think that both players will be valuable contributors for their new teams in 2-3 years time.
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My personal opinion is that Schwartz and Gipson are overrated.
Schwartz is an okay RT. Nothing special. I haven't scouted the rest of the RT's in the league but if Schwartz is one of the best then that just demonstrates the sad state of affairs in the NFL in regards to RT. As for him wanting to stay in Cleveland, I'm not so convinced. It seems clear from statements he made that he wanted the largest contract he could get regardless of which team it came from. If he really wanted to be a Brown and stay in Cleveland then he would have signed the pre free agency offer we made that was fair market value. Actually better than that because it was more than what he signed for.
Gipson had one good year, 3 years ago. Last season he did nothing but pot over the 2nd round tender. Be a man and prove the team wrong rather than whine about it. I believe his attitude as much as his play is what showed him the door. Overpaying on a guy like this iss a mistake.
I agree that Mack was gone almost no matter what. I'm sure if we gave him a $20 mil/yr contract he would have stayed but he clearly wanted out of Cleveland.
Benjamin was no big loss either. You'll see 2 maybe 3 highlight plays from him next season but otherwise he will wallow in oblivion as the 3rd receiver he is. His value gets overblown by many because he was the #1 Wr on our team last year. A team with perhaps the worst Wr corp in the NFL.
I just noticed the comment on Schwartz and Gipson being valuable contributors to their new team in 2-3 years. If they are so good why aren't they going to contribute big this year or next?
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It seems we had a good offer for Schwartz. It was reported we pulled the offer at the last minute, yet Sashi is quoted as saying we never pulled the offer.
I think Schwartz was using us to leverage a better contract elsewhere. Like Mack, I think Schwartz was gone once the season ended.
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I was just finding something else to complain about rather than the We had a great draft No we didn't Did too Did not Did to Did not That goes on every damn year from the first day of the draft till the season starts, All the while with not a single one of us knowing if it will turn out to be great or suck. And what side does history favor, GM? There is no History on the 2016 draft. It just happened. 
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Shoot man..........just look back to last summer. Some said our draft picks were great. and some said they sucked, yet here we still sit with neither side being proven right or wrong. Many folks wasted all that time thumping there own chests like King Kong and trying to look superior to everyone else, while the silent majority sat back and waited for the true facts to come out.
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It seems that focusing on a specific player only became a priority for the Browns once they were done trading down. Our front office picked what they deemed was the best of the talent that was left. You sure about that? Pluto seems to disagree. CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Browns know it seemed they planned to do nothing but trade down in the draft, but that wasn't the case.
Their goal as the draft came close was to add picks in 2016 and 2017, but still be in position to select the first receiver in the draft.
The Browns projected receivers would start being picked by No. 22, which belonged to Washington. After two trades, they had the No. 15 pick. They had another offer to trade down -- I'm not sure how far. But they decided not to take any chances. The Browns had targeted Corey Coleman, the big-play wide receiver from Baylor. So they DID in fact have a pre-determined plan. And it worked to a T. Now shut your negative pie-hole. My god.
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rather than plan each move.I know there was no evidence of an actual PLAN 
I mean don't like the guys, don't like the picks but there was an OBVIOUS PLAN! I guess you think we used a coin flip more than A PLAN? So if any of these guys become good we were just lucky that it had no PLAN INVOLVED...smh
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I was just finding something else to complain about rather than the We had a great draft No we didn't Did too Did not Did to Did not That goes on every damn year from the first day of the draft till the season starts, All the while with not a single one of us knowing if it will turn out to be great or suck. And what side does history favor, GM? That really depends on how far back you want to go. We really can't go back with this front office at all though. This is their 1st "at bat". This draft will be the 2nd indicator as to whether or not this front office will be a successful one, or not. Their 1st, free agency, was a concern. We appear to have let a lot of guys just leave without trying all that hard to keep them. (notice I said "appear to", as none of us know for certain, but the appearance is there) It looks like the failed free agency, but that they graded out considerably higher in the draft. (my opinion) Right now, I like this draft. I think that they did a really good job of adding quality players and also adding extra value throughout the draft, and into future drafts. Unlike many drafts we have seen, we have a lot of chances to get things right. (or wrong, if that's how someone wants to look at it) However, I like the idea of getting extra chances to succeed. Now, if there had been a transcendent talent at #2, and we had passed, then that would have been one thing. If the draft was a weak draft, then that would have been another. However, this draft certainly appears to have been a really good draft, that was really flat throughout the 1st 2.5 or so rounds, at least once we got outside the top 5 or so. So, the question was this, is a player available at 2 better than the following: (the players we added in this draft as a result of the various 1st round trades we made) Corey Coleman Shon Coleman Cody Kessler Ricardo Lewis Derrick Kindred Jordan Payton Spencer Drango Plus we also added the 1st round pick of the Eagles next year, and their 2nd round pick in 2018 .... and the Titans' 2nd round pick in 2017. I think that history shows that having more swings equals a higher chance of hitting on a pick. I will add that I was really worried about this front office, especially the way they seemed to just let our better players just walk in free agency. However, they have started to swing the needle back into their favor as far as I am concerned by the way they handled the draft. We'll see how things turn out, but for right now, as far as this draft, I am encouraged. I would like to repost this piece on the Browns rational on free agency & maybe why they let the top 4 free agents go. https://realfootballnetwork.com/2016/03/15/browns-new-plan-needs-time/
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The general consensus leading up to the draft showed that WRs would begin coming off the board around the #22 pick. I just checked several different mock drafts that took place between April 21 and 28 that confirm the fact that before the draft, an overwhelming majority did not have WRs projected to come off the board until around #22.
If that was the front office strategy, to draft a WR after trading down twice, the odds were definitely with the Browns being able to pull it off. It sure was not some ultra risky strategy that was a long shot to work out and I'm pretty sure the front office knew it. The Browns could have used the same trade strategy and landed the best at the Center, OG, DT and NT positions too.
Those who might be super impressed by what the Browns front office did in the first round need realize it was not as much of a risk as some might think.
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Those who might be super impressed by what the Browns front office did in the first round need realize it was not as much of a risk as some might think. That to me is what works in their favor. These guys crunch the numbers and seek to gain any advantage possible. I agree, they were fairly confident they could land their guy where they did. By all accounts, we hit on a lot of our targeted players. We did this by having a sound idea on where these guys should start to come off the board. We then made sure we were there 4-5-6 picks ahead so we got them. No doubt it all pans out once these guys start playing and we find out if they look to keep keepers or duds, but to this point, our FO has preformed quite well.
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rather than plan each move.I know there was no evidence of an actual PLAN
I mean don't like the guys, don't like the picks but there was an OBVIOUS PLAN! I guess you think we used a coin flip more than A PLAN? So if any of these guys become good we were just lucky that it had no PLAN INVOLVED...smh
"The Browns simply let the draft come to them and then reacted to the opportunities that materialized and those that they preferred...rather than plan each move."
Before the draft, they had the first round trade done, down to 8 and may have had the trade down to 15 planned. As I pointed out in another response, it was not like no one else but the Browns front office predicted that WRs would not start coming off the board until around pick #22. It was a consensus of several mocks from many sources that WRs would more than likely still be on the board until picks 20,21,22, before a run on WRs began.
Find where I said, that I did not like the picks?
I've been consistent saying we need to see the players on the field before we can begin to judge them or judge the quality of the our draft.
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Does this change your perspective on the free agency period?
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I agree Mac. I dont think they necessarily reached for their picks but they had targets in mind and it didnt appear to bother them where they took those targets. They wanted the guy and didnt care about projection.
I believe the Higgins pick was one of those damn cant believe he is here lets take him, same with Scooby. Both of those guys were incredible steals imho. Alot of the other picks were obviously preplanned. I think Coleman was a target in the first all along if Buckner was gone at 8. Kesler in the 3rd was an obvious target. Devalve, you dont take there unless he is a preordained target.
I think the picks we see as reaches along with the Coleman pick were just major targets those are always the ones i judge a staff on. Its easy to take the guy that sliped 3 rounds but its something else when u have the balls to take a guy major early like you see the Seahawks do.
anyway I get your point Mac. I believe their plan was to take Buckner if he is there if not they were set to trade down and get their #1 receiver who they had a tremendously high grade on.
Also I think if you look at many moves we made, I think its obvious they wanted a different element brought to the OL. I dont believe Schwartz was a good fit for hal Hunter's scheme. We werent gonna commit that much money to a 30 year old mac who didnt want to be here.
I am just very fascianted by what we did and to be honest, I think they took more of a Browns fan approach to the draft than what any of them would ever admit lol.
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Does this change your perspective on the free agency period?
The players who left, specifically those whose departure generated compensatory picks in next year's draft, were all talented and popular players. But if the long term goal of the team is to be competitive in 3-5 years, which is more valuable, the players' value in the short term or the value of the picks in the long term? Unfortunately the answer seems to get a lot more simple when you think if getting rid of a probowler is worth a 4th round pick at the end of the round. Well, I think the comp pick for Mack could be a 3rd round. If you believe as I do that he wasn't going to resign with the Browns, a third is not terrible. The other 3 were not probowlers. Gibson was 3 years ago, but hasn't been that great since then.
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I need to see difference makers and wins before I start givin
Out handshakes to this from this front office.
Yeah yeah its the honeymoon period for the front office.
Everyone is enthused and giddy with the draft picks.
Every front office has had some kind plan which to this point
We've seen failed regimes under Lerner and Haslam.
I just know as of today this is the worst roster talent wise in
The AFC.
SUCCESS WILL ONLY BE MEASURED BY WINS.
No more " we only lost to the Steelers and Bengals by a combined
Total of 15 points this year" moral victories.
Let's how good of a coach Hue is with this roster lacking
The degree of talent he's used to working with.
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Well, I think the comp pick for Mack could be a 3rd round. If you believe as I do that he wasn't going to resign with the Browns, a third is not terrible. The other 3 were not probowlers. Gibson was 3 years ago, but hasn't been that great since then. Why do you guys make things up? Gipson was a Pro Bowl player the year before last. The 2014-2015 season. He played only ONE season after that pro bowl year. And please stop w/the nonsense that compensatory picks will be more valuable than the guys we lost. Goodness.
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And please stop w/the nonsense that compensatory picks will be more valuable than the guys we lost. Goodness. Where did he say this? #readingcomprehension
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Just clicking to add a story about how the Browns offseason is being ranked.USA Today Ranks the Browns as Having the 25th Best Offseason By Chris Pokorny  @DawgsByNature on May 8, 2016, 4:47p link We've seen media outlets rank how well NFL teams did in free agency or the draft, but the USA Today has compiled rankings of how the teams did collectively in the entire offseason. The Jacksonville Jaguars' offseason is ranked all the way at the top, while the New England Patriots and the Denver Broncos are at the bottom. Where did the Cleveland Browns rank? Author Chris Davis has them with the 25th best offseason: 25. Cleveland Browns: Until they’ve finished painting the bigger picture with their analytics brush years from now, it’s hard to make a fair evaluation. Aside from signing QB Robert Griffin III, the Browns were panned for their inactivity during free agency. However $40 million-plus in cap space gets pushed into the future, and several good compensatory picks will be forthcoming next year as a result. The draft brought highly-productive college players (WRs Corey Coleman and Jordan Payton and DEs Emmanuel Ogbah and Carl Nassib among them) but, more importantly, the front office’s manipulation of the board netted future first- and second-round selections. This sounds very much like a "cautiously optimistic" ranking for the Browns; they can see the vision the team is implementing and it seems to make sense, but can a regime finally succeed in Cleveland after all these years? If so, they are very much on the youth-building path that Jacksonville's been on, and will have the cap space in a couple of years to sign some bigger names in free agency if they so desire to.
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Yes, and there are reports from other outlets that it was one of the best.
I think it's really a matter of old school vs. new school re: grading the draft. Those married to strict traditional scouting don't like the Browns draft. Those leaning more toward analytics do.
Time will tell.
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