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"all season" might not be correct but you still said Reach, which was my point for commenting on something annoying and hilarious. You should go back and look at some of your posts...you have some pretty "interesting" takes on there.

This is me getting ahead of myself, but whatever..

When it comes to these NBA Finals, I assume were going to face GS, and while they are a great team, i think we can beat them in a 7 game series. We have the talent to do it..

What scares me, is NBA officiating.

If I'm the Cavs, i wouldn't really try to drive the lane much in games 1 & 2, in GS, i don't think you're going to get any calls there..

What really scares me, is if we somehow steal one of the first two games (like we did last year) how much the calls could shift towards GS IN Cleveland.. To try to "extend" the series, if they think they can..

When on one end, LeBron gets hammered, and then on the other JR gets called for looking at the guy with the ball, and then probably T'd up for being JR.. You can't just ignore that kind of stuff, it builds up..

Kyrie did reach a lot and his defense was terrible during the season.

I think what you are doing says more about you than me. How pathetic is it that a guy would actually take so much time to search through a season's worth of posts to deliberately criticize another poster? You aren't looking for anything positive or constructive.

I actually feel sorry for you.

So much time?

It took less than 30 seconds if you know how to use the search function on here. It's actually an efficient use of technology, not pathetic. As I have mentioned before, you reap what you sow. You continuously criticize others and twist words religiously on here--you really do and what's "pathetic" is your failure to comprehend this major fault in your posting style. When I see this, I'll continue to point it out.

Maybe you should just stop bullying people on here. The board would be a much better place....even for you.

I'm curious as to what you think the end-game is to this officiating conspiracy.. is it just to get a 7 game series? Is it because they don't want the Cavs to win? Is it because they want GS to begin ascending to the realm of "dynasty"?

Because, the biggest story the NBA could have, the thing that would generate the most interest around the league, would be for LeBron to bring a championship to Cleveland in a good series over the new "best player in basketball"... I mean, the Spurs winning another one would be a blip on the NBA radar, GS winning another would be ok, but the Cavs winning one? that story would transcend even the NBA media to all of sports media if Cleveland won a championship in SOMETHING..

I'm not a believer into nba conspiracies but it's annoying to see how much Lebron gets hacked and no call, and you see someone look at Wade and get a whistle. Bogut forearmed Plumlee right across the face last night, no call.

I don't think refs have it out for certain teams or anything I just wish there was a little more consistency.

I think LeBron gets away w/a lot of stuff in games. He pushes off w/his forearm all the time. He travels on almost every play.

I'd say it's even with Lebron. He gets fouled because he's so physical but he gets away with travels, pushoffs, and showing up the refs.

Refs usually can handle when star players talk to them and plead their case ... but Lebron's too demonstrative IMO. He loses some benefit because he's too over the top and it hurts refs' egos

I think there is a thought to extending series', maybe more towards the early rounds, get an extra game of TV revenue or whatever out of what should have been a sweep..

I think the refs in the Celtics series let it go too much early, and when all was lost for Boston, we got Olnyk'd.

Way back in the 2000s, there was that Lakers/Trailblazers game that had like 15 fouls called on Portland in the 4th quarter..

I believe NBA refs have the biggest ability to change an outcome of a game out of all the major sports, and I dont doubt they've "leaned" one way before, not even just against us.. In general..

I think you make a good point. I think he goes out of the way to try to make the refs look stupid and they are probably sick of it

I honestly don't think he whines any more than any of the other superstars..

All I know is if I see Draymond Green constantly running through people to set up screens and it doesn't get called I will yell at my TV and post on the internet a bunch about it..

Amen brother. I will be yelling too. the illegal screen seems to be one of the most inconsistent calls in basketball... It's like they could call it almost every screen or they could never call it... they seem to save it for special occasions.

Plus, you did ask/challenge him to look it up.

They all do it.

Tim Duncan is known as a class act and a selfless player, and everytime he gets called for a foul, he puts both his hands up and undermines the ref.

I mean, christ, that dude made a ref go bonkers from the bench lol, was it crawford?

That's why I laugh at the whole Lebron crybaby narrative. Lebaby, etc. Dudes who say that have guys on their favorite team who do the exact same thing. It's so dumb.

NBA fans in general can be pretty awful, they're even worse than NFL fans. I love the NBA memes page on Facebook, but man, reading the comments there are some pretty hilarious hot takes being fired off on the comments of any picture.

i think a number of NBA fans are just fair-weather fans that probably couldn't name two players from "their team" the last season they were sub-500.

You're probably right. There's nothing wrong with being a casual fan of a sport, but acting like a jackass just makes you look like a dope.

Being a transplant, people try and give me their Lebron manifesto all the time. I get it, you don't like the guy. It's not that he left Cleveland, it's how he did it, right? Thanks, never heard that before..

I got over his departure quite easily. I was upset. I think after he lost the finals to Dallas, that was it for me. I feel like as a Cleveland fan I got my pound of flesh. When he won it the next year, I actually felt happy for him. I hate Heat fans, and their media is almost as bad, and I can't stand Wade, but I was genuinely happy that he finally got what he had left Cleveland for.

There is a lot of butthurt from Bulls fans. It's pretty hilarious. They keep their MJ-6 titles in their back pocket as if it has any relevance. It's been almost 20 years. Your current team is a joke. That dude flat out OWNS the bulls, and they can't stand it. He's something like 12-5 against them in the playoffs, and 4-0 in series overall.

The NBA is so popular though, that it's going to attract every moron with a keyboard. I really don't like the Warriors team, but I have no problem admitting they are must-see television.

Look what up?

You posted this: "Will you please post all the times I called him Reach? If you are unwilling to do so, perhaps you should shut the hell up about it."

You guys are still on that? LOL

Anyway..........he said I said it all season long and he found 2 examples. He just makes crap up.

You ask a question, I answer it....and I'm "still on that"?

man I'm excited to watch OKC/SAS tonight

can we please stop feeding the troll so hopefully he goes and feeds elsewhere?

Such a great game, I thought each team had "won it" multiple times in the last two minutes, but they kept going..

The Thunder overall may not be a great team, but you cannot deny the duo that is KD and Westbrook.. If they can pull this off, it'llbe interesting to see how they fair against GS.


Also, on a sadder note.. Tim Duncan is done, isn't he..

Excellent interview with Dwight Howard on Inside the NBA.

westbrook is just filthy

Dr J says we're the team to beat..

I'd rather stay being the team that was lucky to be in the East and has no chance against the West..

I'd have a difficult time stating that Cleveland is the team to beat.

GS is the defending champs, has the 2-time MVP (unanimous this year), won the most games in NBA history, has the best home court advantage, and is a matchup nightmare.

That's quite a bit to beat

yet they have already lost as many games in the playoffs as they have all season, cavs are still undefeated. I would also be willing to bet GS will lose a couple more before the playoffs are over. With playoffs its totally different animal. Had the cavs played like they are now in regular season, they may have hit 73 wins. Now its all about what you do in the next game. If we stay healthy, i don't think theres any team left that we can't give them all they can handle

Well, if Curry doesn't play they're a totally different team ... hence why they could lose.

Full strength? not a chance Cleveland beats them in a series IMO.

And I would agree that the playoffs are a "totally different animal". Problem is, GS already proved they could do it last year. So the psychological aspect of them being in the playoffs actually benefits them. Irving/Love/Shump/etc haven't won anything.

We beat them twice last year and we were down two stars. I wonder, did anyone in the media give us any 'respect' last year by saying things like 'if Love and Irving are playing this is a different series'?

If we play them full strength I say all bets are off.

If we stay healthy and continue to shoot the ball well, it should be a great series...

Why because they beat us in a Christmas Day game??

Because with Kyrie and KLove they dont beat us in that series last season.

I still have a call in to Tonya Harding

I think the finals will come down to who can play better defense. The offensive fire power is pretty much equal maybe slightly in cavs favor.

I agree. We were decimated by injuries last year, and lost the series 4-2. This year (knock on my head) we are healthy, and we also have much better depth this year.

We had no one like Frye to bring of the bench last year. Jefferson is much better than a hobbled Shaun Marion and a guy who was an enforcer only in Perkins.

I wish that Mozgov was playing better, but we have Thompson, and Frye has allowed us to play with some different looks.

I think that this is a far better team, from top to bottom, than it was last year. If they stay healthy, I think that they can handle anyone coming out of the West.

It has nothing to do with one game that occurred 5 months ago. It has everything to do with the fact that GS is a superior team and it's a terrible matchup for the Cavs. Kyrie can't guard anybody and neither can Love.

It's not even Curry or Thompson who are the difference ... it's guys like Draymond, Iguedola (as he proved last year), Livingston. They make the difference.

Golden State is still the favorite. I just really like the way the Cavs are playing, and obviously the health of the team is good right now.

The big question is if the Cavs' hot shooting will continue. That's an easy answer. No, it won't. The Cavs are getting incredible looks, because of the ball movement, but they're also going to be playing a better team next round, and obviously beyond that. I expect the amount of clean great looks to go down, and that will take away from the incredible numbers. I don't think that's any cause for concern, and I'm sure the Cavs will be well prepared for it. They have players who can still attack. They're also moving the ball so good, and so quickly that they are still going to get clean looks. No team in the league, including Golden State is still completely shutting that down.

Cavs have to clean up some of the defensive troubles. They are what they are, but I still think there are some improvements they can make, especially with the time off.

It is interesting to hear some media guys, and former players saying they think the Cavs will win. I still would not favor them in a series vs Golden State, but I really feel a lot better about their chances.

A lot of people are slamming the competition the Cavs have faced, and while Portland is a better club than Detroit or Atlanta, both the Hawks and Pistons swept Houston and Portland during the year, so the competition isn't as far apart as some will make you think.

The ball movement of the Cavs right now is pretty ridiculous, and pretty awesome, and to try and diminish that because of who they played doesn't really tell the story.

I think the Cavs have a shot if they utilize ball movement and don't resort to too much Iso ball. When they pass the ball multiple times per possession, they end up w/good looks and they have the guys who can knock down perimeter shots. When Kyrie or LeBron dribbles too much and they run the shot clock down, they become stagnant on offense and guys are not ready to shoot when they do get the ball.

Kyrie is a poor defender, but he is playing better on that end in the playoffs. He will also get his points, because Curry is also a poor defender.

TT had a good series against them last year. It's too bad that Moz is giving the Cavs nothing. Frye can help if he keeps shooting it that well.

Love? Will he play w/confidence or will he resort back to the guy who doesn't want the ball late, like he was earlier this year? Big key right there.

Another is JR. He couldn't make shots in last year's finals. Is the stage too big for him or will he continue w/his hot shooting?

But again, I think the biggest key is if we keep moving the ball rather than playing hero ball. It could end up being an extremely entertaining series.

I agree ball movement is necessary for the Cavs to have a shot. Can't rely on Lebron winding the clock down and going with it.

Our ability to defend the high screen and role is paramount as well ... I've yet to see one team successfully defend it at a consistent rate. GS just has so much versatility and you have to guard them to damn near half court. Their spacing and mismatches are basically impossible to defend

I agree with a lot of what you said, but JR struggled because his role changed. You change out Irving for Delly and it's going to be a tough spot for him. He's a catch and shoot guy, which is totally fine for this team, because it's the perfect player to put alongside Lebron.

If they were to run into a situation like last year, I'd bring him off the bench, and start Shump. I get that you limit the offense, but I feel like you'd get more from JR if he were in a 6th man position. Kinda how Atlanta tried bringing Korver off the bench against us. Shump would be fine in a starting role. I mean at that point anyway you're really going to be against it in a series against Golden State with guys hurt.