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Netflix just put RftAD in their online catalog and I implore you guys to watch it. I was actually just thinking of PMing this to some of you -- I probably still will -- but thought to post it as a topic instead.

RftAD is a documentary narrated by Noam Chomsky, who is thee biggest intellectual in the New Left. For those of you who love Bernie, you'll love Noam. The documentary talks about the Political and economic culture of the United States post 60's. It argues that the United States government/big business have been making Americans much more passive in the political process by a host of measures, including increasing job insecurity for Americans. It's a hair over an hour and surprisingly digestible for Noam. Again, I implore those of you to watch it, no matter your political beliefs.

Here's the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI_Ik7OppEI

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The American Dream always exists for the middle*, and upper* class. However, social mobility in this country ranks among third world nations.

But, I know where the argument in this thread will go. "Boot straps, lazy Millennials, gangs are to blame, the breakdown of the family, too many takers, entitled young kids, dumb liberals and Obama's fault."

Prove me wrong, Dawgtalkers.

*in case you're a minority. You're supposed to try extra hard to prove yourself. Note: I don't exclusively mean race or skin color. The word minority reaches a far reaching definition than just race or skin color.

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*in case you're a minority. You're supposed to try extra hard to prove yourself. Note: I don't exclusively mean race or skin color. The word minority reaches a far reaching definition than just race or skin color.


Finally, someone gets it.

I'm a minority. I make a living by myself. Each day, it's "put up or shut up" time. I make money, or I don't. No paid holidays, no paid vacations. No sick leave. Nothing but what I earn.

I'm glad to see someone realizes I'm a minority. I'm sad to see many want me to pay even more. I guess cutting me down makes others feel good?

And yes, my health insurance comes from my wife's job - so I'm not all "self sufficient", I get that.

My american dream is to be able to continue as I am. I am far from rich. A couple people on this board pay more in taxes than I make in a year.

But, it is what it is.

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So, arch, are you saying you are a minority because you live in this country and work for a living, totally dependent upon yourself? Just making sure I understand. This is interesting!


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Literally not what the movie is about at all

Also, that's not being a minority lmao

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I apparently am saying whatever you take it to mean.

And don't get me wrong: There are benefits to what I do. Time off when I want, being the biggest. It was awesome, as far as I'm concerned, to be able to help in my daughters classroom from K-4. Once a week.

But, if the work isn't there, I'm a sinking ship - no one to fall back on.

Make of it what you will.

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I didn't watch the movie. Yet. But being a minority, as Rocket said, isn't just about race, or skin color.

I'm a minority. And I'm awesome.

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I didn't watch the movie. Yet. But being a minority, as Rocket said, isn't just about race, or skin color.

I'm a minority. And I'm awesome.


This "point" you are trying to make really shows your ignorance and your lack of class... Grow up.

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Still off topic but I'm a minority too. I'm an old school republican, transformed into a modern liberal, wrapped in the skin of an independent and one of the few sane people left in the world today... At least I hope I'm the sane one.

So I'm a multi political minority.

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I'm a unique snowflake too!!!!


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Thanks for your concern. However, I'm not ignorant. I have a lot of class.

Grow up? It's over rated.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
The American Dream always exists for the middle*, and upper* class. However, social mobility in this country ranks among third world nations.

But, I know where the argument in this thread will go. "Boot straps, lazy Millennials, gangs are to blame, the breakdown of the family, too many takers, entitled young kids, dumb liberals and Obama's fault."

Prove me wrong, Dawgtalkers.

*in case you're a minority. You're supposed to try extra hard to prove yourself. Note: I don't exclusively mean race or skin color. The word minority reaches a far reaching definition than just race or skin color.

Those who are poor in this country can get tens of thousands of dollars per year in combined housing/food/medical/cash benefits. That is plenty to help people get back on their feet. And poverty in general can almost always be avoided by having a good work ethic and making the most basic, positive life choices.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba428

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About 31 million Americans live in households with incomes below the poverty level, according to the latest U.S. Census data. Poverty is more than a lack of income. It is also the consequence of specific behaviors and decisions. The 2001 Census data clearly show that dropping out of high school, staying single, having children without a spouse, working only part time or not working at all substantially increase the chances of long-term poverty. Certain behaviors are a recipe for success. Among those who finish high school, get married, have children only within a marriage and go to work, the odds of long-term poverty are virtually nil.


http://jacksonville.com/opinion/editorials/2012-01-27/story/three-rules-staying-out-poverty#

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Brookings whittled down a lot of analysis into three simple rules. You can avoid poverty by:

1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.

If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. Breaking these rules is becoming more commonplace, unfortunately, for all racial groups.

By contrast, young adults who violated all three norms — dropped out, got married before 21 and had children out of wedlock and didn’t have a full-time job — had a 76 percent chance of winding up in poverty and a 7 percent chance of winding up in the middle class.

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I should have known this would have been a trainwreck.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
I should have known this would have been a trainwreck.

What were you expecting, for people to watch a documentary for more than an hour and then leave insightful comments about it?

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Originally Posted By: Haus
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I should have known this would have been a trainwreck.

What were you expecting, for people to watch a documentary for more than an hour and then leave insightful comments about it?


Better than spamming it with oped pieces.

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I should have known this would have been a trainwreck.

How is what Haus left a train wreck? It was insightful from another perspective, not derogatory in any way.


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I should have known this would have been a trainwreck.

How is what Haus left a train wreck? It was insightful from another perspective, not derogatory in any way.


Because not one single post has addressed the OP... Including this one frown

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I feel that #1 is slowly going away. You need to go to either trade school or a post secondary institution. Just High School isn't going to help you obtain #3.

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What if I were to tell you that job insecurity is great for our current American job system? And that everything was designed this way.

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Also, if what you posted is true, then I'm encouraged by millennials.

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According to a working paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research, Millennials marrying later can be attributed to couples living together before tying the knot, a decrease in “shotgun” weddings, an increase in education and more societal acceptance of being single at an older age, among other reasons.

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What if I were to tell you that job insecurity is great for our current American job system? And that everything was designed this way.


I'd believe it. Somebody is always the loser no matter what type of system is ran.

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What if I were to tell you that job insecurity is great for our current American job system? And that everything was designed this way.


I'd believe it. Somebody is always the loser no matter what type of system is ran.


Now what if I told you that job insecurity on the "middle class" was to discourage participatory democracy (Think 60's) and to increase prosperity in the highest of economic classes.

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I should have known this would have been a trainwreck.

How is what Haus left a train wreck? It was insightful from another perspective, not derogatory in any way.


Because not one single post has addressed the OP... Including this one frown


So all you wanted was for people to say how incredibly insightful the original post was, and how they agree 100% with it .... even if/when they don't, and have darn good reason not to?

If you only wanted posts that agree with your original post, you should have said so in your post. "If you disagree, in any way" with what I have posted, then please don't post. I don't want any challenges to what I posted. I only want my opinion(s) reinforced, so if you are unwilling to do so then post elsewhere." crazy

That would definitely fall in line with the politically liberal in this country, with the whole "You are entitled to your opinion, unless you disagree with us." mentality which has given rise to "trigger warnings", and "safe speech zones", and other tactics that the left use to try their best to completely shut down opposing speech.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

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"Addressed" means "agree" to you?

That would definitely fall in the line with the political conservative in this country, with the whole, "I'm going to yell really loud and have no idea what I'm talking about." No wonder Republicans are dying in this country. Literacy rates are increasing laugh

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I'd beg someone to disagree with the OP. At least they're addressing it and we can have a discussion. This is a discussion forum surprisingly.

I know it's asking this forum a lot to watch/listen to an hour of something, but luckily I found a Variety article about it.

http://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/requiem-for-the-american-dream-review-1201740392/

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“Requiem for the American Dream” offers a crisp encapsulation of Noam Chomsky’s thoughts on where corporate political influence and expanding economic equality are taking our nation as a whole — in a handbasket or otherwise. Needless to say, the diagnosis is not good, if not quite terminal yet, either. This illustrative lecture of sorts, smartly packaged by the “Split: A Divided America” trio of Peter Hutchinson, Kelly Nyks and Jared P. Scott, would be a very useful addition to public discourse at any time. But it’s particularly so during this election year, and the pic has indeed been quietly accessing a significant viewership in variably limited bookings around the country since late January. Expect continued play expanding to non-commercial educational outlets and overseas, as campaign season plows onward.

The renowned linguist and political critic-activist has appeared and even been the subject of numerous documentaries over the last 20-plus years, starting with 1993’s “Manufacturing Consent.” Though there’s a brief digressive interlude here presenting an overview of his career (and there are clips incorporated from his TV and other appearances over the decades), “Requiem” assumes Chomsky requires no introduction. The opening text informs that the primary materials to follow were shot over four years’ course, and that they constitute the now 87-year-old’s “final long-form interviews.” You’d hardly guess the process was so stretched out (or that Chomsky isn’t up for more), however, as the address he delivers in closeup against a blank background seems as though it might have been shot continuously in a day.

It’s hardly free-ranging in content, either, as he outlines the “Ten Principals of Concentration of Wealth and Power” that have created rapidly growing income inequality and myriad related problems in the U.S. today. Each new section is heralded by imagery based on “currency collage art” by Mark Wagner, with the Uncle Sam of greenbacks animated, cutout style.

Informed by Chomsky’s deep understanding of history (and illustrated by appropriate archival materials), these chapters build a damning case against entrenched forces among the nation’s economic elite as having deliberately sowed a “vicious cycle” that increases wealth at the top while shrinking opportunity for everyone else in American society. While such efforts have been present from the time of the Founding Fathers (and farther afield, well into antiquity), he argues that there’s been a concentrated, well-orchestrated if largely stealth pushback in their direction since the successful social-justice movements of the 1960s greatly alarmed keepers of the status quo.

His 10 principles include reducing broad democratic participation in governance; shifting the nation’s economic base from manufacture (which employs/benefits all) to the finance games of stock market and credit; shifting the tax burden to relieve the well-off; deregulation; election engineering (crowned by Citizens United, the masterstroke in empowering corporate influence on and within government); eroding the power of organized labor; promoting the mass distraction of frivolous consumerism; and “marginalizing the population” by splitting them into impotent factions angry at each other (rather than those at the top), a tactic spectacularly evident in our current presidential race. All these concepts are rendered relatable by vivid examples the subject cites, and/or clips from myriad archival sources (old newsreels, advertising, government documents, et al.) woven in as illustration.


Those inclined to dismiss Chomsky as a wild-eyed radical leftist will be frustrated (not that they’ll actually see this film, of course) by his dry, calm demeanor in laying out these arguments with cogency and ample factual evidence. It’s also notable that he does not exempt Presidents Obama, Clinton and even Carter from sharp criticism — nor neglect to credit Nixon with some significant progressive moves (such as establishing the Environmental Protection Agency). The systemic warping trends he cites cross party lines, even if its most avid proponents have generally come from the conservative end of the political spectrum.

After summing up a vision of an increasingly “ugly” U.S. society and an imploding global economy that is “headed toward massive destruction,” Chomsky offers a note of hope. Free speech, he says, remains a shining American value, and as organized citizen activism has turned the tide before, so it can again. Still, “Requiem” makes clear how difficult that fight, and how mighty the opposition, would be. Only his (and the film’s) brisk, informative, rancor-free tenor prevents this docu-screed from leaving a wrist-slittingly downbeat impression.

That palatability — not to mention the extraordinary amount of intel cleanly packed into a very short running time — owes much to the filmmakers’ inventiveness, which keeps the visual additions to Chomsky’s talking-head input endlessly diverse and interesting without ever distracting from that pointed, chiding voice. In addition to Alan Canant’s superb editing, a significant plus is the almost continuous backing of Malcolm Francis’ score, with its modified Philip Glass-like sense of rhythmic, repetitious motifs constantly pushing forward.

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I'll watch it, hopefully today. An hour is not that bad.

I'm sure I've watched worse stuff on Netflix for longer than an hour.


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I watched it two nights ago. I can't say there was anything in it I hadn't heard before as I have watched several other videos explaining the history of the elite subjugating the lower classes and how it's been done. Those videos, just like this one with Noam Chomsky, make it very hard to disbelieve. We all live it daily. It's easy to see how the elite controls everything right under our noses while there seems to be nothing we can do about it.

I don't think it can be changed through discussions. It will take, and I think Chomsky said as much, an uprising similar to the War Protests of the 60's, to effect change. The probem with that is the police are now equipped with war machinery and as they've already displayed in their killing of unarmed citizens for the smallest infractions, they won't hesitate to turn it against the people under the guise of "doing their job". Remember, their job is not "to serve and protect", their job is to enforce the law. I believe this is why they are trying so hard to implement "gun control", to take away our guns. Once we are all unarmed they are free to do whatever they want.

I'll try to find the other videos I'd watched which get into detail of the step-by-step methods used by the elite, even giving-in to small degrees to make the people think they've won something only to have that something bring them more into control.

It's the kind of thing that awakens the teenage passion against social injustice that has slowly been worn out in me. It seems that the older I've gotten the less I've believed in the possibility of any real change or our ability as citizens to effect said change.


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It was a good documentary. I like the part where they showed the banks money flow compared to that of manufactures, and how it essentially flipped after the 70's.


throughout the documentary, i kept going "ok, all this makes sense, but.....", and i was sitting there trying to figure out why it wasn't all quite right.

and then i remembered: he forgot that as individual citizens, we empowered and allowed all this to happen, at least the recent things.

i agree that the one thing rich people hate is actual democracy. it's apparent even now, nevermind the people who founded the country.


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