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I can get that one,and some others "right" if I so choose. But sometimes it's just a tad more fun to get those "sphincters" DPG was talking about all puckered up just for the hell of it. 
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Well then, pit, nicely done. You got it right this time!!!!! 
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Well then, pit, nicely done. You got it right this time!!!!!
Wow, you had me scratching my head there for a minute
Did you dare think for a minute that I was not aware of the proper usage of "exception"?
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And I just LMAO every time! Of course it's so out of character for me to say or do something just to get a reaction out of people that I shock myslf when I do that sometimes.
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Wow, you had me scratching my head there for a minute
Did you dare think for a minute that I was not aware of the proper usage of "exception"?
No I figured you must be right but I was pretty sure he spelled it right so I thought I was losing it. 
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Accept for when they except it. Then I find that completly unacceptable! 
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Wow, you had me scratching my head there for a minute
Did you dare think for a minute that I was not aware of the proper usage of "exception"?
No I figured you must be right but I was pretty sure he spelled it right so I thought I was losing it.
Well, it was a first, but he spelled it correctly, that's why I questioned it!
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Well dear,if you "lose it",I'll do my best in helping you find it it any way that I can.
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Once I figured out just how much it bothered you Arch,how could I possibly have corrected it?
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Pit, I'm befuddled. Do you realize that you are using the proper words in you quotes? It seems like you are trying to use the wrong words by using the " ...... " thing, but in fact, you are using the right words. I only ask, cause normally you use the wrong words in general conversation.
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j/c..... I also can`t stand how the english language has words with two meanings..... Like the word ....It`s okay to your finger....but don`t finger your !.... 
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Actually, it never really "bothered" me. It just shed some light on you, that's all. 
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Of course I realise it. Unless I'm in a huge hurry,I realise I use the wrong spelling often times as well. I've sort of been that way my entire life. I had very long hair when I was younger. My dad used to tell me "Son,why do you have that long hair? Don't you realise people see that and judge you based on your hair? Don't you realise what people think when they see that? You know,you're putting yourself at a big disadvantage by keeping your hair long?" So I explained my line of reasoning to him. And you know,after that,he never questioned me or commented about my hair. My explanation was pretty much as follows......... "Dad,it saves me a lot of time. You see,I don't like people who judge others based on the length of their hair,their ethnicity,their religion or their background. I don't wish to associate with those kind of people at all. So this just helps me seperate the wheat from the chaff that much quicker and easier." To which he smiled. Any time you get a large group of people,you'll find the same basic character types in every group. The precentages may vary somewhat,but there are the same basic personality types in every large group. It's simply the odds. So I do use "gauges" to find those types wherever I go. On a message board,all you really have is the printed word. So yes,I don't usually edit myself a lot,nor do I concern myself with spelling. I have been known to intentionaly misspell words on occasion. It helps me seperate the wheat from the chaff.
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Hopefully from my previous post,you'll understand that I feel it "sheds some light on you" as well.
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What we are talking about is communication in a casual setting. And a few mispellings or typos here or there is not going to diminish the root ideas of what is being conveyed. However, communication and intelligence have been linked in the minds of humans since the beginning of time. One cannot say whether it is wrong or right. But what good is having a great idea or concept if you are not able to coherently convey that idea to someone else?
Personally a typo or two doesn't bother me. A mispelling or two does not bother me. But much like others who have posted, it does bother me some to see the problems continually used. It also bothers me to see words used in the wrong way. Again, it really only bothers me if used continually.
What gets me the most is when people try to use words in order to sound intelligent, but they completely butcher the syntax and or context. Too often on this board I see people talking about a "mute point". People please, it is not "mute". The word we are looking for is "moot".
It basically reminds me of the In Living Color skits where Keenan and Damon are talking to each other over the phone from prison. They are using these huge words to try and sound intelligent, but what comes out is complete and utter gibberish. "Once I capitualated my falopial tragressions, I understood how my feudatory salutations eminated from my solicitous cavitations."....LOL
The problem is that while these conversations are casual in nature, they often turn into a debating stiuation. So if I am trying to make a point, I want to be able to convey that point in the best manner possible. When someone you are debating with does not take the time and effort to convey their message in the best manner possible, it does shine unfavorably on them. It makes them look lazy and uneducated, which is completely different from unintelligent. If people are ignorant to the needs of proper communication, how likely are you going to heed their ideas?
Spelling and grammer are not the end all be all of proper communication. Ideas can be expressed without them. But ideas can find their way to others much easier and faster with them.
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Personally a typo or two doesn't bother me. A mispelling or two does not bother me. But much like others who have posted, it does bother me some to see the problems continually used. It also bothers me to see words used in the wrong way. Again, it really only bothers me if used continually.
Get over it
Really though, if I see a pattern I learn that understand what that poster is saying. Using Diam as an example again I have gotten used to his misspelling and have learned to read what he's saying instead of how he's spelling it. If he was my employee and I'd make sure he had a proofreader but since it's a message board I don't let it bother me. I have a feeling if he was my employee he'd take more time to make sure his spelling and grammar were correct. Of course I'd still have his copy proofread. Of course I believe all business correspondence should be proofread because even the best spellers make mistakes.
Now, if I can't understand what someone is saying due to a mispelled word or grammar error that's a probelm. In that cae I'd question them and I'd most likely do that in a PM rather than point it out to everyone else. I generally don't like to see people's mistake pointed out with an audience
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When someone you are debating with does not take the time and effort to convey their message in the best manner possible, it does shine unfavorably on them. It makes them look lazy and uneducated, which is completely different from unintelligent. If people are ignorant to the needs of proper communication, how likely are you going to heed their ideas?
Lazy AND uneducated? Do those two things really go together? I've known plenty of educated people who appear to be very lazy and plenty of uneducated people who are anything but. So one does not necessarily follow the other.
I don't find it that easy to make that decision about someone in a message board debate because I don't know what else is going on around them while they type. I for one often have several IM's going while I'm on the board. If the debate gets heated my emotions also play a factor and my brain often gets ahead of my typing. I try to proofread but I often miss mistakes. If I'm lucky one of the people I'm IMing is also on the board and they'll point out the mistake so I can correct it. Sometimes I actually let them read a post first to see if they can understand it. Others may have kids they're tending to, other jobs, TV games etc. They're having fun debating not trying to solve the problems of the world so they just don't feel the same need to look up words or run spell/grammar check.
Yes, I understand that the way a person writes gives us some idea of who they are but it's not the complete picture. To decide that someone is lazy and uneducated because ot the way they write on a message board or in casual correspondence seems a bit narrow to me.
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Yes, I understand that the way a person writes gives us some idea of who they are but it's not the complete picture. To decide that someone is lazy and uneducated because ot the way they write on a message board or in casual correspondence seems a bit narrow to me.
He didn't say it makes them lazy and uneducated.. he said it makes them LOOK lazy and uneducated... You could be the cleanest, most neatly dressed person around but the one time I see you is at Lowes when you're halfway done replacing a toilet and run to Lowes for a new wax ring and I see you looking nasty and greasy.... so that's my impression of you. Does that mean you always look that way? No, but that's all I have to go on... just as in this message board, some of us don't know, meet, IM, and hang out with other posters so we have to go with what we see...
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Even if you know the person is a total dumbass, I don't see the point in pointing that out.
What good is it going to do??
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I was raised to speak and spell correctly. It mattered to my parents. Maybe that's part of the difference around here....how our parents felt about it. Maybe not. I didn't hear the excuse that some people just aren't very good spellers. If I couldn't learn a spelling list word, we go over and over and over it again. There are certain words I still have trouble with regularly, but I usually look them up before I butcher them in a post because I care about the image I project to the world. Some people don't care about their spelling and grammar and admit it, and some do care and admit it. Take, for example, 123. (Sorry, 123, but you know you've caught crap for your posting style.) You all know how he posts on here. Well, we were giving him crap in the chat room one night and he could suddenly type and spell correctly. It was amazing. He KNOWS how, but says "it's just a message board". He posted recently in a thread and it's almost, if not, perfect.  So, now we know he CAN do it, but he chooses not to. My point is, I honestly was beginning to think the guy had issues. Now that I know he CAN do it correctly, my mind has changed a little. I know he'll be okay out in the big world.
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Hmm.. As some have mentioned.. the context and / or the situation of the communication lends much to the nature of the communication. In a less formal setting such as a mssg board, I would think it would be natural to have that communication be of a more relaxed nature. Ya kinda get what ya pay for...
In a formal setting such as a business communication or an interview, I would absolutely think less of someone that can't spell correctly or use proper grammar.
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im not the best speller in the world  But im not stupid
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Exactly Saint,
in fact, I found TWO spelling errors on my resume just the other day. I can't believe they hired me...I guess spelling isn't the be all end all.
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Even if you know the person is a total dumbass, I don't see the point in pointing that out.
What good is it going to do??
Eh, first of all, we don't KNOW anyone here is a total dumbass. I think that's the point in this entire debate. Secondly, I think *most* people try to point things out to help more than publicly humiliate a person.
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Even if you know the person is a total dumbass, I don't see the point in pointing that out.
What good is it going to do??
Your 100% correct, it will not do a hill of beans....Not directing this at you Peen, but I'm sure you see this and understand,
To be able to correct somebody else weather it's spelling or grammer or at work, give the person doing the correcting a feeling of power, superiority over another human, correcting somebodies spelling is a addiction the more you do it, the more you need to do it, your ego and body gets adicted to the feeling of power. Why do people make such a big deal about this, because it's easy to make a big deal about it, it's something everybody does every day of thier life, time and time again, we dont see people saying if you can sky dive your smart, why becuase not everybody sky dives and it's not something everybody does everyday. Knowing how to spell dosent mean your smart or well educated, it means spelling is one of your stronger abilities, everybody has strong abilities and weaker abilities, to say good spellers are smart or bad spelling people are stupied or rednecks is the same thing as disliking people for the color of thier skin, or because of what side of the street they live on, and to me I'd rather be a bad speller than a bad human being.
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I won a district spelling bee once in 7th grade. Beat out some 5th grader and a guy who eventually went on to compete at the national spelling bee and made it past day one.
Coulda won the county bee but I threw it on the word flowage, having just spelled knowledge correctly previously, which explains my screwup since they sound similar. I didn't care too much, was almost happy I lost. I was naturally more concerned about where I stood among the social ladder because that's all people cared about in middle school.
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What good is it going to do??
You called someone an idiot on a thread a while back. What's the difference?
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I used to correct my Mother a lot. She is a smart woman but makes herself sound like a total turd when she says certain things. For example, she will add the letter s to the end of Kroger, Wal Mart, etc. Then, for Walgreen's she'll say Walgreen.  It's very odd and for some reason people around these parts do it all the time. Also, she used to add the letter R to the word wash when she spoke it. "Worsh." I finally got her to break that habit, thank God. I figure she tried to help me speak correctly, why can't I help her? I'm not feeling superior when I try to help her. I think you're way off on that one, Clay.
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I agree, my mom, God rest her soul, was high school educated but she was adament about the way we spoke.. moreso than the way we spelled. She would snap at us if we used the wrong verb tense or ended a sentence with a preposition. I personally feel that getting the spoken language correct is more important than the written language for a couple reasons.. first being that a first impression is usually spoken and not written.. the second being that you can check, recheck, spell check, and proofread the written word but once something comes out of your mouth, you can't get it back.... My son, who is 10, is living proof of what some of you are saying.. he regularly scores in the 95% range on his standardized tests, I'm complimented constantly on the way he speaks... his spelling on the other hand.. I'm pretty sure it's just that he's lazy and doesn't care. He'll write a paper and use a word like Appalachian... and he'll spell it 4 different ways in the same paper... that proves he just isn't putting the time in to look it up and doesn't really care... yet!!!!
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I'm not feeling superior when I try to help her. I think you're way off on that one, Clay.
could be, i'm sure not everybody corrects others for the same reason, I do know of a few people who are like that, I work with them day after day, the ones who when reading a note pick out spelling mistakes & grammer mistakes, but fail to understand or remember the meaning of the note, so ya not only have to listen to them once but ya havve to follow up becuase they dont remember to turn in thier insurace info on time, thier to busy correcting others peoples spelling to do ther own work, and if there are 3-4 in my office in little old Wauseon, I'm sure theres plenty more around Ohio...and they wonder why I drink
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Even if you know the person is a total dumbass, I don't see the point in pointing that out.
What good is it going to do??
Eh, first of all, we don't KNOW anyone here is a total dumbass. I think that's the point in this entire debate. Secondly, I think *most* people try to point things out to help more than publicly humiliate a person.
Most people do and that can easily be done without putting a spotlight on it. If the person who initiated this debate is actaully trying to be helpful he can say things in a way that is helpful I've seen it(and even made a point of commenting on it). In the case that got me thinking about this AGAIN it certainly didn't appear that he was trying to help and it often doesn't.
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That's just it...shouldn't we correct our children when we hear them misspeak? I certainly would. I wouldn't rely on the school to handle it. Doesn't mean we feel superior but we don't want them sounding like a dumbass in every day life. I don't mind people pointing out my mistakes...it's the only way I know to correct it. I had an adult friend when I was in my late teenage years that used to correct me. I would say something like: "where's it at"? He would always say: "At is a redundant preposition not to be used at the end of a sentence." If I heard it once, I heard it a thousand times. Guess what...I no longer make that mistake. However, in looking up redundant prepositions, I found a list of errors I DO make.  Beat up, except for, keep down, sit down, calm him down, later on, stand up, clean up, fall down. The list goes on...see it here
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. Knowing how to spell dosent mean your smart or well educated, it means spelling is one of your stronger abilities, everybody has strong abilities and weaker abilities, to say good spellers are smart or bad spelling people are stupied or rednecks is the same thing as disliking people for the color of thier skin, or because of what side of the street they live on, and to me I'd rather be a bad speller than a bad human being.
Very much on the mark IMO!
That and the part of being on a power trip also as I phrase it,the "superiority complex".
Nice post Clay..........
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That's just it...shouldn't we correct our children when we hear them misspeak? I certainly would. I wouldn't rely on the school to handle it. Doesn't mean we feel superior but we don't want them sounding like a dumbass in every day life.
I think,at least hope,Clay was speaking of people who,sometimes on this very board,constantly "correct people in public" about spelling or punctuation on the board. In the middle of a debate,out of some type of desperation I suppose,resort to being the "grammer police" in what appears to be a feeble attempt to discredit or degrade their oponents stance or opinion. It does happen quite frequently but not by a large number of posters.
IMO- It only serves to show how anal and weak the oposing side is by resorting to such tactics to try to discredit others. Many brilloiant minds in our nations history have been,to say the least,poor at spelling.
This is at least the spirit of what I percieved from Clay's post and why I agreed with his sentiment.
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