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For the past couple of days the LA Times have started handing it to Purdue Pharmacy (Maker of Oxycontin) about the drug. In its first part of its series, the LA Times alleges that Purdue knows that Oxycontin lasts ~8 hours but never > 12 hours. That Purdue has ignored this to increase its business. The LA times also talk about the side-effects and the addiction that Oxycontin produces.

Here's the articles that they've published so far:

You Want a Description of Hell?’ OxyContin's 12-Hour Problem

http://static.latimes.com/oxycontin-part1/


Doctors are on the front lines of opioid addiction. They aren't doing enough to prevent it:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-oxycontin-addiction-20160506-story.html

His next pill: An OxyContin user’s journey from pain relief to obsession and addiction:

http://static.latimes.com/oxycontin-dans-story/


Purdue Pharma issues statement on OxyContin report; L.A. Times responds:

http://static.latimes.com/purdue-response/

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Doctors are on the front lines of opioid addiction. They aren't doing enough to prevent it

Aren't doing enough? More like they fuel that fire. They write prescriptions for these hardcore drugs without blinking an eye. Go complain your back hurts, and you'll likely get a script. Go say you have diarrhea, and you'll probably get a prescription.

They're the front line of the problem. The drug is a life saver for those with true, legit chronic pains and etc, as some other commonly abused prescriptions.

JMO, but I won't blame the manufacturer, I'll blame the distributors which almost goes directly to the doctors seeing patients and writing prescriptions.

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If you manufacture a faulty product then overstate their benefits, it's still not the manufacturer's fault?

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I'm speaking in terms of any/all prescription drug abuse cases, regardless of manufacturer. People, civilians, cant write themselves a prescription... yet they're easily available pretty much.

This specifically, my limited understanding is the report indicated Purdue knew the drug wore off in many before 8 hours. Lie, yes, a faulty product? No, it's definitely helped people, my Mom included who deals with various types of pain and etc, sometimes incredibly bad and reaps the benefits of it. She is on a generic form of it, but use to be on the non generics. She only takes it when the pain becomes unbearable, so she's never generated an addiction or became dependent on it.

The manufacturer is in the wrong for the 12 hour claim, but abuse, distributions and etc - those doctors fuel that fire.

All JMO of course.

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Good use of my reading time, CHS

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Originally Posted By: Dawg_LB
The manufacturer is in the wrong for the 12 hour claim, but abuse, distributions and etc - those doctors fuel that fire.

All JMO of course.


Yes, they fuel that fire. With the drug companies standing behind them


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The manufacturer is in the wrong for the 12 hour claim, but abuse, distributions and etc - those doctors fuel that fire.

All JMO of course.


Yes, they fuel that fire. With the drug companies standing behind them


So Ford, Subaru, Chevy and etc are all in cahoots with every dirty used car salesmen out there? With that said, the drug and pharmaceutical industry is an evil in so many ways. I absolutely cannot deny that there lol.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to be that upfront.

I just feel like Doctors are in a hard position. One one hand they're brought up to trust an institution that says the painkillers last 12 hours. But are then told by their patients that it only lasts 6-8 hours. Well, the doctors just think that the patients have a higher tolerance and start to prescribe higher doses and getting their patients addicted to opiods. Not to mention that many of these problems have been going on for years/decades. Like you, my Mom suffers from chronic pain, and when she told me what medicines she was on, I was blown away. A lot of serious medications with a lot of high addiction rates. But she does suffer from chronic pain, and Docs are just trying to fix it. I just think they're in a tough position.

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There are also doctors who use these drugs as a method of alleviating pain so that the patient can endure surgeries, physical therapy and such. The idea is to break the pain cycle enough so they can bring about the physical changes that will ease or end the patient's pain, and eliminate their need for such drugs after that point.

Unfortunately, as I can attest from my own experience, sometimes a pain management doctor cannot easily find the physical causes of pain, so they give up and just write scripts. That is why I am changing doctors, and heading to the Cleveland Clinic. I have no idea how I will handle driving that far, but hopefully they will be able to arrive at solutions my local doctor cannot.


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Bro, that's scary. I hope better things, more clearer diagnoses and etc from the Cleveland Clinic.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to be that upfront.

I just feel like Doctors are in a hard position. One one hand they're brought up to trust an institution that says the painkillers last 12 hours. But are then told by their patients that it only lasts 6-8 hours. Well, the doctors just think that the patients have a higher tolerance and start to prescribe higher doses and getting their patients addicted to opiods. Not to mention that many of these problems have been going on for years/decades. Like you, my Mom suffers from chronic pain, and when she told me what medicines she was on, I was blown away. A lot of serious medications with a lot of high addiction rates. But she does suffer from chronic pain, and Docs are just trying to fix it. I just think they're in a tough position.


Not every case of a doctor writing a script is "evil" or negative, my apologies for giving that perception.

I'm just saying, what seems to me is most doctors are too quick to prescribe these heavy hitting drugs with dependency issues. They hand them out like Tylenol.

Does one suffering from a little back pain need something MAYBE more heavy than over the counter, or do they need these more proactive and harder drugs? Diagnose the freaking problem and prescribe something that works and fits the diagnosis. I feel like it's "Oh hey just fill this prescription up and you'll be fine in no time" ordeals with the doctors. There are painkillers with less side effects than oxy and other hard hitters, write a prescription for that.

My Mom tried many of the lower power (sorry for crap terminology lol) prescribed to her before her doctor gave her the oxy prescription, as they didn't work. BUT, least they started low and only prescribed the oxy when the others failed, or just didn't simply work. Most doctors would've skipped that trial phase and just went right to the hardcore

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Over prescribed pain killers is so huge it boggles the mind ! I know so many good , hardworking people who are 100 % addicted to pain meds with no end in sight . Most would never think of themselves as junkies or addicts but skip a dose and watch the wheels come off . I have some old friends who are straight up junkies ( of the illicit illegal substance variety ) and have been for years so watching the two groups and the similarities they share is incredible .

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Does one suffering from a little back pain need something MAYBE more heavy than over the counter, or do they need these more proactive and harder drugs? Diagnose the freaking problem and prescribe something that works and fits the diagnosis. I feel like it's "Oh hey just fill this prescription up and you'll be fine in no time" ordeals with the doctors. There are painkillers with less side effects than oxy and other hard hitters, write a prescription for that.

What most people need for a little back pain is to take something to get them through a few days and they also need some lifestyle changes that involve stretching and exercise, better posture, diet changes, etc... but that would actually involve people making changes to themselves.. it's easier to medicate and just anticipate that once a year your back is going to go out.


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I have heard a couple of doctors state that they are actually under medicating patients that are in constant pain, leading those patients to seek alternative means for their pain control. This include marijuana and heroin opiate derivatives. A lot of pain doctors will refuse to treat a patient who takes anything other than what is prescribed, even though they never properly treat a patients pain. This is partially due to government interference, of course.


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When i went into pain management, I had to sign a contract stating that I would not obtain pain medication from any other doctor than my pain doctor.

A couple of years ago, I was really sick, and had a throat that felt like I was swallowing sandpaper and gargling with salt and hydrochloric acid. I had to clear it with my pain doctor to get a prescription for some stronger cough medicine so I wouldn't violate my contract.


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I suppose I'm lucky in this respect. I've always been very sensitive to medications, and a little goes a long way. Even over the counter stuff like sinus medicine, I always took the children's dose and that took care of my sinus headaches. When I had my cervical laminectomy the doctor sent me home with a bottle of 100 Lortabs. I took maybe six.

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I used to be like that. I had dental surgery, and the dentist gave me Percoset. I was out for the entire day after taking one.

Now I wouldn't even notice it. crazy


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Thanks for this CHS!

Another line of drugs that we need to watch for is zolpidem (ambien). Sleeping pills are highly addictive, yet doctors prescribe them incredibly often. It's basically a milder quaalude, so it's easy to see why people love taking them...


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Originally Posted By: gage
Thanks for this CHS!

Another line of drugs that we need to watch for is zolpidem (ambien). Sleeping pills are highly addictive, yet doctors prescribe them incredibly often. It's basically a milder quaalude, so it's easy to see why people love taking them...



Absolutely. I agree 100%. Being a programmer, sometimes my mind won't rest when sleep comes. That Ambien works miracles, but I limit myself to taking two max a month if I start to get behind on sleep for reasons stated, they're highly addictive.

If only there were no concerns or side effects with sleeping pills, I'd be set. But the threat is real, and they seemed to be prescribed frequently.

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Hi fellow programmer!

I run into that situation sometimes too, and it can be horrible... I try to not write code too close to my bedtime and that helps alot. Even when I'd be crunching on a project until 5 or 6 AM I'd often have to watch a 30 min TV show or something to force my brain to stop thinking, just to go to sleep.

The big problem with sleeping pills is those that I see who take them regularly almost always end up taking 8-12 pills before bed just to get the "dosage" they need. That's incredibly dangerous. One of my friends has a congenital heart defect and I really wish he'd find a way to kick those sleeping pills frown


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Can't tell you how many times I've been stuck on some code and the answer comes to me while sleeping. No drugs needed. lol

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Us programmers are the best! thumbsup hehe

But yeah, try not to write code or really think about a project a hour or so before bed. I've found this Kindle Fire I won at the company Xmas party is great for those can't sleep, can't get your mind off stuff and etc situations. Reading has helped majorly. Plus, American Sniper is a really good book so far!

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Can't tell you how many times I've been stuck on some code and the answer comes to me while sleeping. No drugs needed. lol


I've only had that happen to me a few times, thankfully. On the flip side, I virtually never stop writing code on a task I'm currently on until it's complete. So while that means I'm not dreaming of code, I might not leave work until late at night...

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Us programmers are the best! thumbsup hehe


Of course!! laugh

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But yeah, try not to write code or really think about a project a hour or so before bed. I've found this Kindle Fire I won at the company Xmas party is great for those can't sleep, can't get your mind off stuff and etc situations. Reading has helped majorly. Plus, American Sniper is a really good book so far!


Books help for sure. I've been watching the series "From the earth to the moon" about the apollo program and it's been a great way to switch gears also.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Can't tell you how many times I've been stuck on some code and the answer comes to me while sleeping. No drugs needed. lol


Yup! Sleeping, pooping, whatever..... my brain solves most puzzles when I stop focusing so intently on it.


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a lot of vets, including myself, had a slight oxy problem.

other than moltrin, Tricare passes those out like candy.


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Doctors prescribed man 145 opioid pills. Nine days after surgery, he died.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article77695782.html#storylink=cpy

Four days after a routine tonsillectomy, 24-year-old Riley Martin called his doctor. He was in pain, he said, and had run out of medicine.

Over the next five days, he visited or called the Raleigh physician’s office at least two more times seeking painkillers.

Riley Martin graduated from Appalachian State University with a degree in criminal justice in 2010 and had hoped to become a police officer.
Riley Martin graduated from Appalachian State University with a degree in criminal justice in 2010 and had hoped to become a police officer. Jill Knight jhknight@newsobserver.com
After each conversation, Dr. Mark Clarkson and one of his partners wrote new prescriptions for opioids – 145 pills in all.

On Feb. 12, 2012, nine days after his surgery, Martin’s roommate in Boone found him lying in bed without a pulse.

An autopsy revealed Martin had overdosed from a toxic mix of cocaine and prescription medications, including the types of opioids obtained from his doctors.

[N.C. Medical Board investigating 60 doctors of drug overdose victims]

[Peggy Martin mourns son's overdose death]

Overdoses now claim more than 1,000 lives a year in North Carolina, about a 75 percent jump in the state’s drug death rate since 2002. Nearly half the cases involve prescriptions filled within 60 days of the victim’s death, according to a state report.

Experts called Martin’s actions classic drug-seeking behavior. For example, he sought a new prescription because he said he forgot to bring his medicine when he returned home to Boone. Many physicians refuse to write new prescriptions when patients report lost or stolen medication because they fear that drugs will be abused or sold on the streets.

But when the North Carolina Medical Board investigated complaints filed by Martin’s mother against Clarkson and Bridget Thompson, a physician assistant who also treated Martin, the board determined that it should not take public disciplinary action, which can range from a warning to revoking a doctor’s license.

“I just don’t understand,” Peggy Martin said.

The North Carolina Medical Board investigates relatively few doctors over improper prescription practices, a review of records shows – even as the agency calls the rising overdose death rate a public health crisis.

The issue stems in part from the agency’s approach to oversight. The board typically has investigated only after receiving complaints, even though technology has existed for years that gives regulators the ability to potentially spot dangerous prescribing before patients are harmed.

In North Carolina, there are about 45,000 licensed doctors, physicians assistants, physician residents and other medical professionals the agency oversees. But in 2015, the board investigated only about 100 complaints in which prescribing was the primary issue, resulting in 24 public sanctions for improper prescribing.

How does that compare to other states? It’s hard to tell. The organization that tracks such information – the Federation of State Medical Boards – stopped releasing state-by-state data on doctor discipline four years ago. That’s because state officials and doctors complained that the report cast a negative light on boards that issued the fewest sanctions.

N.C. Medical Board spokeswoman Jean Fisher Brinkley said that increasing the number of investigations into improper prescribing is a goal for the board, given the urgency of the opioid epidemic.

In an effort to toughen its oversight, the board last month opened investigations on doctors who had two or more patients die from prescription painkiller overdoses in a one-year period.

The board also expects to open more investigations by targeting doctors who frequently prescribe commonly abused drugs.

Brinkley would not directly answer questions about Peggy Martin’s complaints concerning her son’s death, saying agency policy prohibits comment on individual cases.

However, if Martin’s son died under the same circumstances today, it’s possible the board’s investigation could have turned out differently. Current accepted practices have evolved and now call for greater vigilance when prescribing opioids than in the past, Brinkley said.

“The way the Board looks at these cases has changed dramatically from four years ago,” Brinkley said. “Awareness has changed dramatically.”

A life cut short

Riley Martin’s death shocked his family.

Relatives knew he partied as a student at Appalachian State University – but say they saw no indication he was abusing narcotics or taking illegal drugs.

Growing up in rural Johnston County, about 30 miles outside Raleigh, he liked to hunt and spend time at the beach. He excelled in three sports in high school. He was close to his mother, a teacher’s assistant at a middle school, and his dad, who worked up to three jobs to support the family.

Martin graduated from Appalachian in 2010 with a degree in criminal justice, but a drunken driving conviction in April 2011 made it less likely he could get a job as a police officer.

He found work at a Ralph Lauren store in Blowing Rock and got a good performance review.

Martin was usually affable and laid back, but friends told police they began noticing troubling behavior in the months before his death. He seemed constantly tired, a friend said, and took naps up to five hours long throughout the day.

Prescriptions

About six months before he died, Martin sought treatment for panic attacks and folliculitis, a skin infection, documents show. On Aug. 17, 2011, he saw Thompson, a physician assistant who practiced in Boone at the time.

At his visit, Martin told Thompson that he suffered anxiety about his next step after college, stress from his retail job and had difficulty concentrating.

Records show Thompson’s exam of Martin found no major neuropsychiatric problems. There were no signs of depression, delusions or suicidal thoughts.

Thompson gave Martin a prescription for a low dose of lorazepam, a benzodiazepine anti-anxiety medication, and referred him to counseling, records show.

Over the next four months, Martin would call or visit Thompson’s office five times. Here’s what happened, according to a letter submitted on behalf of Thompson by her lawyer to the medical board:

By Oct. 20, 2011, Martin had not seen a counselor as Thompson had recommended. A patient’s failure to follow a treatment plan can be evidence of drug-seeking behavior, experts say.

Thompson examined Martin and determined that he was using the medications as prescribed. Due to his increased anxiety, Thompson continued the anti-anxiety medicine Klonopin and increased the number of pills.

On a Dec. 29 visit, Thompson increased Martin’s dosages for both Zoloft and Klonopin after Martin complained that he still suffered anxiety.

Martin called Thompson’s office two weeks later and complained about side effects from the Zoloft. He was told to taper the medicine to come off it safely. Additionally, he was instructed to call back to discuss other options and to schedule an appointment. He never did.

Painkillers

Ten days before his death, Martin visited his doctor in Raleigh. He had been suffering with tonsillitis and opted for surgery.

On Feb. 2, a day before the operation, Clarkson, a Raleigh otolaryngologist, wrote a prescription for 50 pills of Percocet, an opioid, to help Martin cope with post-surgery pain, according to state records detailing his treatment.

With instructions to take 1 to 2 tablets every 4 to 6 hours, the Percocet would last from 4 to 12 days.

Four days after his Feb. 3 surgery, Martin called Clarkson complaining that he was in pain and had run out of medicine. Clarkson wrote a prescription for 40 Vicodin, another opioid, to take at the same frequency as the Percocet.

On Feb. 10, Martin was seen by Dr. Matt Gerber, a partner of Clarkson’s, at a post-op visit and obtained a prescription for 30 Percocet.

Two days later, on Feb. 12, Gerber got a phone call from Martin who said he had returned home to Boone but left his Percocet in Johnston County. He requested Percocet be called into a Boone pharmacy.

Records show that Gerber discussed pain management options and instead of prescribing Percocet as Martin requested, Gerber called a prescription for 25 Vicodin to a Boone pharmacy.

Around 10:30 that night, Boone police found Martin unresponsive at his apartment. Police seized five packages or bottles that included opioid and anti-anxiety medications at the scene, a police report says.

Experts warn that taking prescription painkillers and addictive anti-anxiety drugs at the same time can increase the risk of overdose.

Clarkson could have known about the anxiety medicine if he had checked the state prescription drug database, which allows physicians to see if patients are obtaining drugs from other providers.

Doctors have an ethical responsibility to ensure the drugs they prescribe are not diverted for illegal use. They are supposed to take extra precautions when prescribing medications to patients like Martin who have shown behavior that suggests the potential of abusing drugs or who have reported mental health problems.

In this case, Clarkson says he was not made aware of Martin’s prescriptions from Thompson in Boone, according to the letter his attorney submitted to the medical board. He could not have reasonably anticipated Martin would abuse cocaine, the letter says.

Experts divided

Experts who reviewed medical documents from Martin’s case at The Charlotte Observer’s request were divided about whether Clarkson and Thompson prescribed medicine appropriately.

Former N.C. Medical Board President Dr. Janice Huff and Dr. Joshua Landau, former president of the Greater Greensboro Society of Medicine, said their actions fit within standard medical practices. They said Riley Martin deserves blame for failing to disclose previous illicit drug use.

Huff said most doctors rely on information they receive from patients and it is difficult to determine when someone is lying. In this case, Huff said, they probably assumed they could trust Martin because he had received treatment in the office as a child.

Two other experts said they were alarmed Clarkson and Gerber prescribed Martin so much medication following his tonsil surgery. Repeated requests for more medicine is evidence of possible drug abuse, both said.

“This was a textbook case of drug-seeking behavior,” said Lynne Grey, an addiction expert who helps coordinate drug treatment at Partners Behavior Health Management in Statesville, which is focusing on reducing overdose deaths in the North Carolina mountains and foothills.

Dr. Robert Monteiro, a former president of the North Carolina Medical Society, said Clarkson and Gerber should have been more vigilant after Martin’s surgery. They should have questioned why he would still be experiencing acute pain nine days after the procedure, he said.

Dr. Thomas Tape is a Nebraska internist who helped develop new guidelines for prescribing opioids for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Tape said doctors should try to limit most patients to a three-day supply of opioid pills for acute pain following surgery. The most severe pain following surgery usually diminishes after three days, Tape said. In some cases, he said a prescription for one refill is necessary.

Told Martin was prescribed 145 opioid pills by Clarkson and Gerber after a tonsillectomy, Tape said “that’s an incredible amount of drugs.”

Doctors’ defense

Neither Clarkson nor Gerber returned phone calls seeking comment about opioid prescriptions they wrote for Martin.

In a May 2013 letter to the state medical board, Clarkson’s attorney said Martin was not honest about his drug use. Martin listed his only medication as a nasal decongestant, the letter says.

“Each prescription was appropriately prescribed given the circumstance presented by Riley himself,” Lori Abel Meyerhoffer wrote. “All physicians, including Dr. Clarkson, rely on their patients to present an honest and complete history and to take medications only as prescribed.”

Thompson did not respond to written questions from the Observer.

“At all times Ms. Thompson fully complied with all rules and regulations and always rendered care which was appropriate and within applicable standards of practice to all patients,” her attorney, Norman Klick said in a written statement. “Ms. Thompson has had her care reviewed by the North Carolina Medical Board and the Board found that Ms. Thompson’s care was appropriate and fully complied with the applicable law and regulations.”

A mother’s quest

Peggy Martin said she plans to ask the state medical board to reconsider its 2013 decision. “If Riley’s story can save another mom and dad and a brother from this going through this, then I have to go for it,” she said.

Mementos of Riley Martin’s life surround his mother’s home. An Adopt-A-Highway sign that stands down the street is dedicated to his memory. And a bedroom is filled with framed pictures, ribbons and awards from childhood.

“It’s awful,” she said of the Medical Board’s decision not to issue sanctions. “It shouldn’t be this way.”

Fred Clasen-Kelly: 704-358-5027, @FrederickClasen


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God forbid he would have just smoked a few joints instead rolleyes


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but thats illegal bro.

you're not allowed to smoke anything that god has provided you, unless it's processed by man like cigarettes.

but yea, i mean all those opiates? jeez. and it's like...you kinda feel obligated to take them cause the doc said so.

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but thats illegal bro.

you're not allowed to smoke anything that god has provided you, unless it's processed by man like cigarettes.

but yea, i mean all those opiates? jeez. and it's like...you kinda feel obligated to take them cause the doc said so.


You're agnostic but God is providing you weed?


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mother nature bro.

the mother. and i told you i believe in a god, just not one bound by a religion.

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In regards to the story, sounds like the guy abused drugs and alcohol and I'm glad he never got to wear a badge.


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getting hooked is ridiculously easy.


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I agree completely. Especially since he was already prescribed prior to this incident.


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Sad.

But is percocet and vicodin normal now a days for a tonsillectomy?

Had mine out - yeah, 41 years ago - I certainly don't remember taking anything like that, although, I was 6, so I just took what mom gave me.

Daughter had hers out about, maybe 7 years ago. She didn't have anything like that, I know. Advil or Tylenol.

Is it normal for pain pills like this to be prescribed for what is generally considered a minor surgery?

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It's a combination of pushing prescribed drugs on people to the point we have a sedated society, and the fact that we have companies(big pharma) pushing the doctors to prescribe the more expensive medication.

You get society hooked on your opiates, they need more = profit.


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Originally Posted By: Tulsa
In regards to the story, sounds like the guy abused drugs and alcohol and I'm glad he never got to wear a badge.


Makes 2 of us!

The guy abused cocaine. I wonder if what he was claiming as "anxiety" was just jonesing for another line? I would be very interested to see the Med Exmainers findings as to whether or not the actual cause of death was the painkillers, the cocaine (most likely), or the combination of the two.


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In 2006 I had open heart surgery. You know, they saw the sternum down the middle, spread open the rib cage and operate on the heart.

I went home three days later with a piece of paper that read, "Take Tylenol for discomfort."

This guy gets over 140 opiates for having his tonsils removed?!


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I can't speak for anybody else but they tried to shove pain meds down my throat and into my IV when I was in the hospital. 5 stays in the hospital last year and all 5 times I was fighting with nurses and DR's who kept pushing pain meds while I kept refusing.


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wife is the same way. If the doctor writes up a script anything (even vicodin) she tells the doc she won't fill it. She gets really anxious/jittery on pain meds and she'd rather deal with the pain than that...


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I eventually got prescribed Vicodin. My pain issue is that my sternum did not heal properly. It was probably my own fault for returning to work too soon, but what was I to do being three months behind my rent and all my bills. It took me a year to catch that up even.

My prescription was ongoing from mid-2006 until 2013. It was for 60 pills per month. I did not take them if I didn't need them so I usually filled it about every six weeks. It should have been obvious I was not abusing them nor selling them on the street. If I'd done either I'd be at the drug store on every thirtieth day like clockwork.

At one point the laws changed regarding opiates. They even changed the name of Vicodin to Norco. At that time I was told in order to continue the pain meds I needed to attend Pain Management and be drug tested. The problem I had with that is the Pain Management cost $100 per visit. My doctor charges $64 per visit. That's $165 dollars for the "privilege" to obtain a prescription that cost $15 at the pharmacy.

At the time it I could not afford it. Since then my approach to the pain has been to "grin and bear it". Some days are better/worse than others. On the bad days I can't even do simple housecleaning as movement of the upper torso is excruciating. Neither Tylenol nor Motrin has any effect on my pain. Aleve, (naproxin) works a little but I can't take that because of some medical issue and drug interaction with my other meds.

So here I am being treated like a drug-seeking addict while the guy with the sore throat gets 145 Vicodin on one month. My nephew has some back issues. He does have real pain and gets 120 Vicodin per month. He doesn't need that many. He sells over half of them each month. Nice. At $5 a pop I can't/won't get any from him.

I have the money now to go to Pain Management and the doctor. But I'm a stubborn SOB refusing to bend to that policy in spite of the discomfort and debilitating pain. I refuse to pay $180 for a $15 prescription.


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