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some wanted to stay and get paid.......
No wonder you are confused you keep bringing up SOME when it is just Mack we are talking about. Mac opted out and went to play for another team did not want to play for the Browns. mack opted out to get more guarantee money... That seems to be the general understanding. Can you post a comparison of the Browns and Falcons offers to confirm what you are saying? That would be helpful...
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some wanted to stay and get paid....... They would get paid wherever they went. Or are you implying that they may not be good enough to catch on with another team?... no. i am saying that other teams were not as cheap as the browns. some teams dont throw a sissy fit and pull offers like we did. The only offer that was "pulled", at least that I'm aware of, was to Schwartz. If my understanding is correct, his offer was not pulled, rather it had a time limit on it and that limit ran out. Put the blame on his agent, not on the FO... like i said. a sissy fit....
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...like i said. a sissy fit.... Your interpretation...which of course, you are entitled to, whether accurate or not.
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some wanted to stay and get paid.......
No wonder you are confused you keep bringing up SOME when it is just Mack we are talking about. Mac opted out and went to play for another team did not want to play for the Browns. mack opted out to get more guarantee money... Yes he wanted to leave...at some point you set value to a position and say anything over that we won't pay. Doesn't make them cheap isn't a sissy fit it's business. Some are willing to overpay when they a close to making a Super Bowl run and if the Browns were in that position then yeah maybe overpay Mack but at a rebuild coming off 3-13 year no way.
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some wanted to stay and get paid....... They would get paid wherever they went. Or are you implying that they may not be good enough to catch on with another team?... no. i am saying that other teams were not as cheap as the browns. some teams dont throw a sissy fit and pull offers like we did. The only offer that was "pulled", at least that I'm aware of, was to Schwartz. If my understanding is correct, his offer was not pulled, rather it had a time limit on it and that limit ran out. Put the blame on his agent, not on the FO...
like i said. a sissy fit.... OK I see you are saying MS Agent threw the "SISSY FIT" got it.
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OK I see you are saying MS Agent threw the "SISSY FIT" got it. You might be right! Perhaps that is where he was going after all... 
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...like i said. a sissy fit.... Your interpretation...which of course, you are entitled to, whether accurate or not. true enough. but i am mostly right lol
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...like i said. a sissy fit.... Your interpretation...which of course, you are entitled to, whether accurate or not. true enough. but i am mostly right lol Ever though it is a quiet afternoon, we have probably strayed off-topic more than we should...
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some wanted to stay and get paid.......
No wonder you are confused you keep bringing up SOME when it is just Mack we are talking about. Mac opted out and went to play for another team did not want to play for the Browns. mack opted out to get more guarantee money... Yes he wanted to leave...at some point you set value to a position and say anything over that we won't pay. Doesn't make them cheap isn't a sissy fit it's business. Some are willing to overpay when they a close to making a Super Bowl run and if the Browns were in that position then yeah maybe overpay Mack but at a rebuild coming off 3-13 year no way. you want to think getting rid of good players and bringing in ? marks make your team better.... go right ahead lol
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some wanted to stay and get paid.......
No wonder you are confused you keep bringing up SOME when it is just Mack we are talking about. Mac opted out and went to play for another team did not want to play for the Browns. mack opted out to get more guarantee money... Yes he wanted to leave...at some point you set value to a position and say anything over that we won't pay. Doesn't make them cheap isn't a sissy fit it's business. Some are willing to overpay when they a close to making a Super Bowl run and if the Browns were in that position then yeah maybe overpay Mack but at a rebuild coming off 3-13 year no way. you want to think getting rid of good players and bringing in ? marks make your team better.... go right ahead lol Quit belly aching. We didn't get rid of them. They left on their own accord as FA's. Besides we went 3-13 with them so we can do just as good with ? marks.
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you want to think getting rid of good players
Here is the next thing that confuses you the Browns didn't "GET RID" of them they QUIT and went else where.
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Except that the Browns pulled Mitchell Schwartz's offer. But don't let the truth get in your way.
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Except that the Browns pulled Mitchell Schwartz's offer. But don't let the truth get in your way. Not according Sashi...but let's not let players and their agentss agenda get in your way... 
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Except that the Browns pulled Mitchell Schwartz's offer. But don't let the truth get in your way.
Offer was not pulled from Mitchell Schwartz "No offer pulled. I think enough has been said about it. I think a lot of players left their teams. I’ve seen a lot of their agents mouth off in the media, and I’ll just leave it at that," Brown said via Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal. http://cle.247sports.com/Article/Offer-was-not-pulled-from-Mitchell-Schwartz-44409504Browns' Sashi Brown says 'no offer pulled' for Mitchell Schwartz BOCA RATON, Fla. -- Browns Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown denied a report that he yanked his offer for right tackle Mitchell Schwartz. "No offer pulled,'' he said at at the NFL Annual Meeting here Monday morning. Asked to explain what happened, he said, "I think enough has been said about it. I think a lot of players left their teams. I've seen a lot of their agents mouth off in the media, and I'll just leave it at that.'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/03/browns_sashi_brown_mitchell_sc.html
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My question is this: What did Schwartz's agent have to gain by saying that?
He found his player a home, on a better team. That is all he really had to say. Why make something like that up? These agents have to work with front offices, why poison the well unnecessarily? It just makes zero sense that Schwartz's agent would lie about something like that.
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I would add ..... the browns knew the were not going to be big players in free agency, so even if they had a time limit on their offer, wouldn't that have been a case of cutting of their nose to spite their face?
"Yes, we made you and offer, but the time limit expired. Sorry."
"OK, then we're going to take this other offer."
"OK, go ahead."
That just makes zero sense. If they thought that he was worth re-signing before free agency opened, then he was worth signing the day after free agency opened.
I just think that Schwartz's side is more believable.
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My question is this: What did Schwartz's agent have to gain by saying that?
He found his player a home, on a better team. That is all he really had to say. Why make something like that up? These agents have to work with front offices, why poison the well unnecessarily? It just makes zero sense that Schwartz's agent would lie about something like that.
dont let common sense have anything to do with it....
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some wanted to stay and get paid....... They would get paid wherever they went. Or are you implying that they may not be good enough to catch on with another team?... no. i am saying that other teams were not as cheap as the browns. some teams dont throw a sissy fit and pull offers like we did. The only offer that was "pulled", at least that I'm aware of, was to Schwartz. If my understanding is correct, his offer was not pulled, rather it had a time limit on it and that limit ran out. Put the blame on his agent, not on the FO... like i said. a sissy fit.... ROFLMAO 
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you want to think getting rid of good players
Here is the next thing that confuses you the Browns didn't "GET RID" of them they QUIT and went else where. vambo there job is to sell this team to talent. they couldnt sell there agenda. they failed to keep the talent to make this team better. not to hard to understand after i put it that way right?
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My question is this: What did Schwartz's agent have to gain by saying that?
He found his player a home, on a better team. That is all he really had to say. Why make something like that up? These agents have to work with front offices, why poison the well unnecessarily? It just makes zero sense that Schwartz's agent would lie about something like that.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe it was a misunderstanding. Which may just mean that he screwed up some how and is trying to cover his ass with his client and any future clients. Or, he may have wanted to get Mitchell on the Chiefs because he likes their GM more than us but since we offered more money he needed an excuse and telling his guy that we pulled the offer gets him where he wants him to be. Either way, the team is going to work with whoever has the athletes so he can afford to cast a bit of shade their way but he's got no gig if he can't sign up and retain those clients.
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My question is this: What did Schwartz's agent have to gain by saying that?
I don't know but he lost about $1,000,000 signing with KC what's that say about the agent?
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I would add ..... the browns knew the were not going to be big players in free agency, so even if they had a time limit on their offer, wouldn't that have been a case of cutting of their nose to spite their face?
"Yes, we made you and offer, but the time limit expired. Sorry."
"OK, then we're going to take this other offer."
"OK, go ahead."
Agent to new players sign with me I just got MS ~ $1,000,000 less per year than he would have made had he stayed with his old team!
That just makes zero sense. If they thought that he was worth re-signing before free agency opened, then he was worth signing the day after free agency opened.
I just think that Schwartz's side is more believable. Makes a lot of sense how can you get new players to sign with an agent that LOSES them money? 
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I would add ..... the browns knew the were not going to be big players in free agency, so even if they had a time limit on their offer, wouldn't that have been a case of cutting of their nose to spite their face?
"Yes, we made you and offer, but the time limit expired. Sorry."
"OK, then we're going to take this other offer."
"OK, go ahead."
Agent to new players sign with me I just got MS ~ $1,000,000 less per year than he would have made had he stayed with his old team!
That just makes zero sense. If they thought that he was worth re-signing before free agency opened, then he was worth signing the day after free agency opened.
I just think that Schwartz's side is more believable. Makes a lot of sense how can you get new players to sign with an agent that LOSES them money?
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A fruitless discussion. We've been down this road before...
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That just makes zero sense. If they thought that he was worth re-signing before free agency opened, then he was worth signing the day after free agency opened.
Apparently not. 
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i really no longer give a rats ass about Schwartz and Mac. Mac chose to opt out twice, screw him. Schwartz doesnt really fit what hal Hunter wants in his OL anyway.
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oh dear god lol haven't we beat this horse to death yet?
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Except that the Browns pulled Mitchell Schwartz's offer. But don't let the truth get in your way. Brown was quoted we didn't pull the offer.
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Bottom line...if the Browns wanted any of their free agents...they would have signed them...PERIOD..END OF STORY!
No one player is responsible for the Browns constant losing. The Browns need more players who are capable of playing the game at a high level, not less. The most common denominator since 1999...the franchises poor management.
Concerning "greatness"...no sense in discussing greatness when discussing the Browns since 99. No coach and no player, other than Joe Thomas, should ever be mentioned in a sentence discussing "greatness" and the Browns since 1999.
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Except that the Browns pulled Mitchell Schwartz's offer. But don't let the truth get in your way. Not according Sashi...but let's not let players and their agentss agenda get in your way... Exactly, that came from the agent for Schwartz... Sashi said that didn't happen.. I guess it comes down to who do you want to believe.
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Sounds like we didn't cooperate with an agent's attempt to use us to jack up his money using the club. Or covering his own for not getting the payday. Sashi wins in the end it seems. I have no reason to doubt him. Not sure Scwartz was what we needed. Others think so. Dead horse. Move along.
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Sounds like we didn't cooperate with an agent's attempt to use us to jack up his money using the club. Or covering his own for not getting the payday. Sashi wins in the end it seems. I have no reason to doubt him. Not sure Scwartz was what we needed. Others think so. Dead horse. Move along. I have reasons to doubt Sashi, I mean him being in the power position and being new to it alone is a reason to draw doubts. But, I feel he's very open and honest. Extremely honest. In terms of the Schwartz situation, I believe Sashi fully on his words. I really and truly do. JMO.
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Sounds like we didn't cooperate with an agent's attempt to use us to jack up his money using the club. Or covering his own for not getting the payday. Sashi wins in the end it seems. I have no reason to doubt him. Not sure Scwartz was what we needed. Others think so. Dead horse. Move along. I'd have rather had Schwartz than not. we could have addressed other needs with the picks perhaps.. But in the end, if a guy doesn't want to be here, not sure why we worry about it. So long, been fun, seeya later.
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Bottom line...if the Browns wanted any of their free agents...they would have signed them...PERIOD..END OF STORY!
bottom line had any of those players wanted to stay they could have PERIOD ...RND OF STORY!
No one player is responsible for the Browns constant losing. The Browns need more players who are capable of playing the game at a high level, not less. The most common denominator since 1999...the franchises poor management.
So not losing one player is going to set back the Browns back as much as you claim...Remember how people whined about the drop off between Hoyer and McCown didn't happen.
Concerning "greatness"...no sense in discussing greatness when discussing the Browns since 99. No coach and no player, other than Joe Thomas, should ever be mentioned in a sentence discussing "greatness" and the Browns since 1999.
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If we had drafted Andrew Luck, Pat Shurmur may still be here, and be considered an "offensive genius" Nope, Luck's rookie season was with the Colts new 2012 HC ....Pagano
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Dawg Pound Report Some good stuff in here, well worth watching. I really found it interesting the one guy everyone was on board with was Ogbah.
I'm concerned that he appears to be relying on one move..he's raw and I'm sure the coaches will be teaching him as much as he can absorb...
Mourg...I had to go back and listen to the video again, but I think the one rookie they all agreed on was Seth Devalve..not that it matters a hoot. Devalve is a physical stud but has been dealing with foot problems for 2 seasons...something to do with his growth plates.
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Thanks...he's been fighting Cancer? Arians took over for him for a season.
Well for Luck's sake hope they get him an OL the kid has been hit more than any QB in that time period.
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Thanks...he's been fighting Cancer? Arians took over for him for a season.
Well for Luck's sake hope they get him an OL the kid has been hit more than any QB in that time period.
jmho Yup he missed weeks 5-16 and returned for the final game in his 1st year ...His cancer (Leukemia) has been in remission since. Pagano is defensive minded so I can understand the struggle to get decent Oline protection in Indy.
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Thanks...he's been fighting Cancer? Arians took over for him for a season.
Well for Luck's sake hope they get him an OL the kid has been hit more than any QB in that time period.
jmho Did he get his as much as Couch? I know Couch took something like 50 sacks one year..
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