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While I maintain that what I said there is pretty accurate you are right in that I did't qualify any of it with "I think" or "I believe".

How do you know it is accurate?

How do you know that doing what his boss tells him isn't in his job description?

I never claimed to know any of it. I have simply disputed those who say their takes are accurate. I have presented the facts as I know them. That's it. I never once said that Sashi didn't re-sign guys that Farmer wanted to keep. Not even once. However, I keep reading that even though Sashi was in charge of contracts, that he didn't have a say in in re-signing those players the past few years.

I think that is absurd!

One more time...........I am NOT against Sashi. He has made some good moves. But why the hell can't I question some of his other moves w/out the Nazis jumping my crap? Jesus!

First you are questioning something that you don't know happened and it doesn't even matter. There is one say in signing those players that counts though. Farmer's.

Here's an example...

A homeless guy had a say in signing JFF, who is responsible for that choice the homeless guy or Haslam?

I yi yi yi...............

So...............when guys say that Sashi couldn't re-sign those 4 free agents because of Farmer...........they are correct?

Because Barney, you haven't questioned them once.

I don't. But I believe it is. I believe it is because it makes sense to me. I've heard your take on it and it makes no sense to me. In that, we are at a stalemate. I say he couldn't negotiate with players unless he was told to do so. You say he could and he should have. Neither of us know for sure how that worked, however, I believe my version makes the more sense.

I look at it this way...could Brown have told Farmer, no, I am not going to negotiate with this player? I don't think so, thus it also holds he couldn't decide the who. Farmer made those decisions. It's foolish to think otherwise.

What? Are you saying that Farmer specifically told Sashi to NOT negotiate with all four of the Brown's free agents?

Seriously?

I think that is beyond absurd. Farmer may not have wanted one or two of the guys back, but all four? And to even think that Farmer mandated that Sashi was not allowed to even negotiate w/all four players is lunacy.

I also have two questions for you guys who never question any moves that the new FO makes:

1. Even if your premise is true, who had more time to sign the free agents, the teams [KC, Atl, SD, and Jax] or the Browns?

2. Why would Haslam hire Sashi and give him ultimate control of the entire organization if he had absolutely no experience in business matters?

Oh, and one more question: Do you and others who are NOW blaming Farmer for everything, want to apologize for all the name-calling that you dished out to all the posters that questioned his moves?

Perhaps we're getting hung up on the meaning of "negotiate". If you put a firm (best) offer out there with no wiggle room, is that negotiating? Or, must there be offer and counter offers? Certainly there were offers put out to the players (all 4 ?)...

Foolish? I think it is foolish to act like every move the FO makes is either perfect or terrible. I think it way more logical and reasonable to judge each move individually.

No beef with that. I just think it misguided to think Brown decided who we tried to sign and who we didn't while Farmer was around.

I think it is misguided to believe that Farmer actually told Sashi to NOT negotiate with all four free agents. It reads like a fairy tale.

I haven't read all the threads....I don't think he did that.

I don't think we didn't negotiate with any of the players. Possibly Mack since it was up to him to opt out or stay. I don't know that I would have tried to keep him for more money at that point.

Yeah, it's not a quart of milk. There is no expiration date except a mythical one they impose and chose to enforce. They flat out pulled the offer and let him walk. It was an ego driven decision. And I believe it was a mistake. So you're right, the only thing that will fix the mistake is getting a replacement in there that is as good as or better than Schwartz.