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Have at it, boys.

Cavs in 6.

Cavs are rested and healthy. In theory it should be different this go-round..

I don't feel good about our chances, but we're healthier than last year.

I don't know.

Can someone fast forward to next week to tell me who wins so I can relax?

Time travel is a b#%&@ but Cavs in 6. Now to kill my future self. He's an arrogant ass.

Could be worse, rewind to a couple years ago when LeBron was winning chips in Miami. Enjoy the moment for what it is.

I think we are a better team and will ultimately win. There might be some ugly games along the way.

I hope we get the split at GS.. the one we lose, I don't care if we lose by 40.. as long as we win the other one. We really need Love to shoot the ball well and we need Frye to continue to shoot the ball well.

Let's go Cavs! Become legends!

Time to bring Cleveland a Championship!

I got Cavs in 6. I want the glory if it happens to happen IN cleveland. My god......

I'm going to go Cavs in 6. We win the first one in Oakland and then protect our home court.

I'll say GS in 5. They're so freaking good lol. Hope I'm wrong.

Hang on a second.

Let me check out NBA.com and their facebook page real quick and I'll get back to you.

I actually remember reading an article that talked about how the Warriors actually preferred a healthy Love and Irving because their defense against the pick and roll is horrendous. I'll try to see if I can find it.

Either way, GS is playing the hot hand. I feel like Thompson is playing even better than Curry. I don't feel good about our chances.

Warriors vs. Cavs Game 1: Odds, Over-Under & Spread

http://heavy.com/sports/2016/05/cavalier...d-betting-info/

Published 12:25 am EDT, May 31, 2016 By Tim Keeney

After a long, winding season with several twists and turns, we’re back to the same two teams in the NBA finals as last year: the Cleveland Cavaliers and Golden State Warriors.

Game 1 gets underway Thursday, and the Dubs, who won both meetings this year, open as a significant favorite.

Here’s everything you need to know about the Game 1 betting info and odds:

Warriors vs. Cavaliers Game 1 Betting Info
Note: Opening odds courtesy of PinnacleSports.com

Spread: Golden State (-5.5)

Over/Under: 210

Moneyline: Golden State (+235), Cleveland (-265)

Preview
The Cavs have looked like the best team in the NBA for much of the postseason, but they certainly didn’t see anyone quite like Golden State in the East.

Golden State took both matchups during the regular season, winning by six at home on Christmas day and by 34 on the road in January.

In terms of betting, the Warriors are 29-22 against the spread at home this season, although that number drops to just 3-12 against East opponents, per OddsShark.com.

Six of Golden State’s last 10 games have gone over 210, while the Cavaliers, who have been shooting the lights out but play a much slower pace, haven’t had a game go over 210 in their last seven.

The moneyline signs look reversed.

Bring one to the city of Cleveland Cavs!!!

Bring one home!

Okay, can someone please explain these things to me to me? I don't gamble, I don't know what any of these things mean:

1.) Spread: Golden State (-5.5). Does that mean they are favored by that many points?

2.) Over/Under 210. I seriously haven't a clue. What does that mean?

3.) Moneyline: Golden State (+235), Cleveland (-265). No clue.

Thanks in advance.

1) Yes, they are "favored" by 5.5 points. I'm surprised it's that close with #3 being what it is.

2) Combined score. This means the sum score of the two teams is expected to be around that number. You can bet that the combined score of the two teams will be more than (over) or less than (under) 210 points.

The first two items together mean Vegas expects that a result of around GSW 108 CLE 102 will generate the most bets.

3) As Rish said, yes the Moneyline signs must be reversed. +235 means if you bet $100 on a +235 team and they win (no line), then you get your $100 back plus $235. -265 means if you bet $265 on a team and they win (no line) you get your $265 back plus $100.

FWIW, another popular online resource has CLE +175, GSW -210 for the series. No point spread listed for the games yet.

GS is playing a hotter hand?

How so?

They went to 7 games with the Thunder.

The Cavaliers closed out the Raptors with a pair of real beat-downs. They really seemed to get re-engaged, when the series went 2-2, and they won the final 2 games by scored of 116-78 and 113-87. They embarrassed the Raptors. These games had these lopsided scores, yet they weren't anywhere as close as they appeared.

Golden State did come back from a 3-1 deficit, but they were all close games, 120-111, 108-101, and 96-88.

One can argue that the Raptors were every bit as good a team as the Thunder, and maybe even a better team. Again, the Cavaliers just dismantled them.

I did read the articles you mentioned about the Cavaliers maybe having been a better team without Kyrie and Kevin. That's absolutely ridiculous. The Cavaliers have the ability, with a guy like Delly, to use him as truly needed, and take a piece out of the opponent's game, but Kyrie brings so much offensively, and has shown the ability to defend in these playoffs. Same thing with Love. Will their opponents score? Of course. Will Kyrie and Kevin offset the opponents scoring with their overall play? I believe so.

One huge problem the Cavaliers had in the Finals last year is that so many players were just run into the ground by the time it was over. Delly wound up in the hospital.

The Cavaliers only topped 100 points one time in the Finals last year. They had nothing left in the tank. In the final 4 games of the Finals, they scored 91, 82, 91, and 97 points. They were not able to stress the GS defense. This will not be the case this time around. God willing, the Cavaliers will be completely healthy, and if they are, I firmly that they are the better team, and they will win.

Yep. Delly hospitalized for need of liquids, which brings out cramping.

And Smith and Schumpert both went ice cold. Series over.

Not this time.

Thanks clevesteve!

Wait, what?

Literally no one can argue that. The Raptors best player is Kyle Lowry, the Thunder have two of the top five players in the league to go along with Adams and Ibaka.

yeah the rationalization of people wanting Cavs to win is quite a broad stroke. I think the Cavs have to win one of the first two or there isn't much hope. People counting on Delly to stop curry is laughable to me...he has been torched all year and last year was an anomaly. Curry is playing much better this year than last, you're going to have to be creative to slow down their guards and hope lebron/love/thompson can win their individual assignments. Only 4% of teams in history have come back from 3-1...I do agree OKC being selfish choke artists aided, but GS is a great team. We need to steal home court to have a shot IMO, and we need to do it early, i don't want to be going back at game 5 trying to win 2 of 3 on the road against them.

I'm sure the Cavs know this, at least I hope they do.. but you can NEVER let off the gas against GSW.. OKC did in in Game 5, they had that game won.. they tried to slow it down, started settling for bad shots at the end of the shot clock.. a few quick 3-pointers from 30 feet by Curry and thompson and suddenly it was a game again.. and once that momentum was lost, they were never able to get it back..

You have to run your offense against GSW from the first possession until the last, always looking for the best quality shot no matter where it falls on the shot clock..running off an extra 8 seconds and getting a crappy shot with 2 minutes to go and a 10 point lead has to be about the dumbest thing I've ever seen..

RUN THE OFFENSE!!!!!

Who is guarding Curry for the Cavs? Who is Kevin Love guarding?

So when will Draymond get that next technical? He's a dirty player this year. In years past, he was a schlompshniz, but now he's dirty. You see his takedown of Adams last night? Delly might want to watch out for a Draymond flying kick.

they said league is reviewing and he could be suspended for game 1

Agreed. I just don't understand how he can kick a guy in the groin and basically just get fined. I don't understand how he could trap Adams arm, pull him over, and it's a double foul.

I'm not an nba ref. I don't even watch a whole lot of games...but last night, as he basically flipped Adams I thought to myself "he's the kind of player that will intentionally try to hurt someone."

Yet, all he gets is fined? He seems like a hot head with a chip on his shoulder - and those guys can be bad. (just read an article in SI, I think it was there - he's got a "me against the world" attitude, but it seems to play out negatively in many of his on the court actions. JMO.

I don't think he's a hot head.. hot heads react out of anger, I think Green knows exactly what he's doing and most of what he is doing is very calculated. I just think he's dirty.

I hate that the NBA has made it such that if there is a hard foul or an intentional foul, and you are the guy that got fouled.. that you almost have to be very dramatic and play it up as if you severely injured so the refs will go look at it. If you don't go down and stay down, they are likely to just assess the foul and play on.. the flailing, flopping, and drama after contact is approaching that of international soccer.

Okay.

He's not a hot head. He's a calculating cheap shot guy. That better?

That would be my opinion, yes.

Okay. My fear is he may take a calculated risk at trying to take a Cav out.

Maybe I'm giving him too much credit but I seriously hope he isn't the kind of guy who would intentionally try to injure another player.. I think he is cheap in an attempt to get under your skin, to shy away from him, to get you out of your game, to get you T'd up... all of those things I can see... I just hope he isn't the kind of goon who would actually try to take a player out..

My instinct agrees with the analytics. Warriors in 5.

I hope not as well. And again, I haven't watched much basketball this season, but what little I have, he concerns me just a bit. He tried to Olynik Adams, he kicks to the groin.....

Look, others on here have watched most games, I get that. I'm just speaking from an extremely small "example" of games.

His high kick to Adams' head didn't connect, but if it had that would be a serious kick.

I think we'll see a lot of Delly in this series. He can guard Curry very well. K Love will guard a lot of people.

The teams match up odd for sure. I think the games will be like last year, just trying to find the right combo of guys. As weird as it sounds one of the best line ups in the playoffs was Frye-RJ-Delly-Iman-King. I think the Cavs will be able to pull this off. Hopefully JR doesn't party himself out.

I don't know if it will be in five, I'm thinkin' no, but I do think that the Warriors will most likely still win this (sighs).

I've been praying for some divine intervention so the Cavs will win this, but normally? I never get what I want through prayer, so.... you know... (Just being honest.)

So are the Warriors our new Chicago Bulls? Our new Denver Broncos? that team that just happens to be great the same time we are that prevents us from winning a championship while the window is open?