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Prove to me that Haslam didn't want Phil... PROVE IT.

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Did you just state that Haslam is going out and signing FAs behind his GMs back?

Really... really.. really?

"Since Haslam bought the Browns, there has been a tendency to spend freely on other team's free agents and that trend continued in 2016. Someone within the Browns management structure DOESN'T GET what Sashi is saying...I believe that someone is Haslam."

Anyone who listened to Phil's interviews and paid attention knew he was putting out hints of moving on. His family not being close to him was something he was vocal about.

I don't think Haslam had anything to do with Phil moving on. Speculations...

You reference the post in which you listed cap space numbers. Now you are asking me what those numbers mean to me. Please scroll back to that post, then read the very next post.

I'm not disagreeing with you that things have to change, but the cause/effect you see is too simple a view. There are more dynamics involved than a straight, spend cap money, win titles.

First you have to build a good foundation. Thanks to the constant change of HC/scheme, the building blocks on this team are too mismatched to form a good foundation. Once you have that foundation, then you can spend big on the impact players to put you over the top (or to replace foundation pieces if needed.) But if you spend big to build the foundation, you won't have the money to spend big for the impact players.

Since Haslam has owned the team, there has been no continuity in team building. So we have never been able to get to the point where using the cap space can make the difference you seek. What needs to happen more than anything else is to keep a team concept in place long enough to get to that point.

Will Haslam stick with this HC/FO long enough for that to happen? I think he will, but that remains to be seen. But I don't think how we use the salary cap is the cause of this being a bad team, I think being a bad team defines how we use the salary cap. And that can explain why good teams use their full caps and bad teams don't.

Now, to be clear, I am not saying all the FA decisions have been good. I think we could have kept Schwartz and a few others on your list. But the general concept is not as flawed as you think. And I don't believe Haslam's spending policies are the root of the problem, I think his hiring decisions are. I think you are just looking at it wrong.

I do have to say, it is unbelievably impressive how long Mac has single handedly kept this topic going. Whether this is determination born of conviction or master level trolling I salute you sir!

To me those numbers pretty much mean nothing besides the obvious

Pats - Tom Brady
Broncos - top defense, Peyton (last chance with a HOF QB before he's done)
Pit - Big Ben
Cincy - Dalton, very talented rich team
Texans - very talented team with no QB
KC - talented team with game manager QB
Skins - usually always spend a lot in FA,
Vikings - Teddy, AP and great D
Pack - Rodgers and good talent
Cards - Carson Palmer and great D
Atl - Matt Ryan, Julio and other parts
Car - Cam Newton and great D


Tms...rank..cap space...record in 2015.
Jags...#1....$32.2m...........5-11..
Titans..#2...$25.6m...........3-13..
Brwns..#3...$21.0m...........3-13..
Gnts....#4...$15.0m...........6-10..
Rdrs....#5...$14.8m...........7-9..
49ers...#6...$13.1m...........5-11..
Bucs...#7...$11.3m...........6-10..



Almost all those teams have either a top QB, great D or a lot of talent, they're spending for that piece that will take them over the top.

Look at all the teams at the bottom, besides the Giants....all those teams are had question marks at the QB position ...either by not having a QB (Browns, we were going into the season with McCown) or QB's that were really young (Bortles, Winston, Mariotta, Carr). Those teams were mostly young too.

Now look at this years spending, most of those guys showed some promise, the teams had money to spend and were high in spending this year.

We don't have a top QB, one that showed promise, a top D or O. Now, I'm hoping if RGlll shows a turnaround that we will do the same next year (if there are any quality FA)

Sorry can't paste the graphic pic from my iPad. But here's the site, if someone wants to paste the chart on here, it would be appreciated.

FA link


Edit: my post is about overall spending and replying to the quote about the teams cap numbers

Da-Mans-Hot telling people how and what to post again. If you don't like what he has to say, put him on ignore.

You delusions of grandeur mean nothing and you have no justification for telling mac what he can and or can't post.

I made a post but somebody ahead of me said what I was going to say so I deleted mine. Can't really delete posts anymore so I erase my words and replace them with a period.

Oh wow. And here I thought you agreed w/every word mac said and put a period there to emphasize that what he was saying was true.

IMO it was a well thought out period ddubia.

Oh Please let me make this 200 percent clear. Banner is the Reason Dawson is no longer a Brown. That little chicken sucking idiot screwed Dawson's future in Cleveland all up, and Dawson took the high road about it while Banner just made himself look like a huge "Richard"

I started that...sort of got in trouble.

I think that you are actually right about this one. I believe the decision to not keep Phil was influenced by Banner and Phil, rather than Haslam.

What in the hell are you talking about now..

I am talking about you have no right to tell mac what he can post or not post. Is that clear enough for you?

He is expressing his opinion.

and you talk about my reading comprehension..., I think it's time you re read what I wrote.

Okay, let's take a look:




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Again, who the hell are you to tell mac how and what to post?

By your reasoning, you shouldn't be telling Damanshot how he should be posting either.

I haven't been posting because there hasn't been much happening worth commenting on, but I understand where Daman's coming from because I'm tired of reading mac say the same thing with almost no variation over and over again for the umpteenth time. It is mac's opinion and that's fine, but I'm tired of reading the same thing from the same person with no change since last season and maybe longer than that. I'm at the point where I'd almost rather shove red hot pokers through my eyes than read it again.

This is supposed to be a thread about the front office, but like every other thread it's somehow turned to Haslam. I think you and mac should start a Jimmy Haslam is a crook thread, so the rest of us can avoid it.

WOW!! I understand now.

Do we have articles, links, etc., that discuss how much role Haslam plays in these types of decisions? Does he trust the people he hired to execute these or is he more intimately involved and decisions on signing players, etc., have to ultimately go through him?

I'd be curious if there is any literature out there.

Does this apply to all NFL Owners or just the Browns?

Is there a time or price where it is acceptable to allow "our own" to go or do they have to be re-signed until they retire?

I tried ...ref took it down

https://twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/741666525262811138

Unrelated, but fun, side note:



https://twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/741413302975221764

So we're going to build a small ball football team?

Obvious joke: Browns GM meets with Warriors, argue over which team will make more 3 pointers this season..

Many policies are simply coded obfuscation for the ego of the leader. ...Haslam and new group of cronies have them as well.

For the amount of speculating you've done in this thread, NOTHING comes to your mind on what this meeting could have been about?

Ha. Ironic.