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Exactly.

Ms Eve, I am not sure if this is directed at me but, I assure you I am no "sucker". But, I can also assure you that I will never vote for a hateful racist and bully who fears people of a different culture or who look different than me. I believe in the words etched into the stone on the base of the Statue of Liberty.

For me there is no choice but to ensure somebody as disruptive and dangerous as Trump gets nowhere near close to the Presidency.

A percentage of that debt also helped pay for a Republican war against a country that we had absolutely no business waging. It also helped create the boiling pot issues that continue to plague the region that continues to sap more and more American $ and adds to the debt. Not to mention the many innocent lives that have been lost.

The respect I once had for the man is out the window. He has brought good arguments to the table and his passion is undeniable. I salute him for that and I believe in many of the ideals he presented. However, he is now just another angry, old, white guy throwing a tantrum because he did not win. The exact thing the Dems have accused the Republicans of nominating.

The admirable thing would be for Bernie to move on, move forward and begin to get his followers to do the same thing. Otherwise, a Trump Presidency looks more realistic every day and if that happens a portion of blame will fall on Sanders.

Is that really what he wants?

This right here is the problem.. you look at what he does and apparently think it's perfectly OK...

But it's just not, he's narcisstic and foolish with his "Open mouth, Insert foot" rhetoric and you must think it's ok. I mean you must if you think the things he says in his town hall meetings is acceptable...

He's caused a lot of these issues.. you can't back away from that.

What you said to me just offended me. I demand you show up at my house so I can wail on you with a baseball bat, throw eggs at you, and throw empty beer bottles (I don't believe in alcohol abuse). You are obviously trying to upset me and start a riot, so you had it coming.

WOW,, So your response is to show how I offended you?

Your words DC........



And if Bernie Sanders or Hillary were behaving saying things like Trump does, that would justify both being thrown into prison by the conservative point of view these days.

No, my response was to show how ridiculous it is to blame another for their own behavior. It's like blaming the sexily dressed woman for her own rape. So, these children are unable to contain themselves enough that they can't refrain from attacking innocent people who went to listen to a speech, and you blame them for showing up.

My reply was meant to be as ridiculous as a mayor, members of media, and several politicians have said. As Sheriff David Clark said after those riots, " what I’m ticked off about right now is why Attorney General Loretta Lynch has not dispatched the FBI and dispatched lawyers from the Civil Rights Division to investigate and prosecute and identify people who are using the same type of tactics that were used in the Jim Crow south to frighten and intimidate blacks from participating in the voting process." Democrats and liberals that participate in this type of behavior should be ashamed. Seeing as they were the majority that participated in that type of behavior before, I can see where it comes from.

I'm sorry Erik, but Trump does bring a lot of that hate his own way with his disgusting behavior.

But the actions of the protestors are still something I don't like at all., and yes, I do believe they are being paid to organize those riots.

I don't know who's paying them, but I'd not be surprised if it's either side. Both are as crooked as can be.

I don't think I've ever, in my lifetime, seen two less qualified candidates to be President.

The entire system is corrupt. All they do is keep us occupied by pitting us against each other so we're distracted and that lets them get away with murder.

There are no saints in this mess... Not one.

And I certainly agree with you. I would say the only people voting Trump or Clinton care more about the party than the person. Neither of those candidates deserve to be president. Johnson is the only fit candidate to vote for.

I believe this election will place the Libertarian party on the nations political map and possibly cause the two major parties to re-think things. At least hopefully. I plan to do all I can to help make that happen by voting for Johnson.

Truthfully, you used the word "respect" with reference to a politician. Wow! You really are uninformed here.:-)

Better put some respeck on my name.

--- I understand most posters probably won't get that.

You see, your response is exactly the problem. You think like the establishment has trained you to think. "The queen has been crowned, now fall in line!"

Problem is, we're not going to "fall in line". Bernie is leading a political revolution to change the way politics are conducted and bring about change to a corrupt system, he's not going to fall in line either.

I know, He knows. we all know that short of an absolute miracle that there is no way he becomes the dem nominee. That does not mean the revolution ends, that does not mean you quit fighting for your ideas or the things we are so passionate about.

Problem is not Bernie being a sore loser, the problem is that the establishment still thinks his movement is just about the nomination and not about bringing real, permanent change to America.

READ THIS:

The Struggle Continues
BERNIE SANDERS·WEDNESDAY, JUNE 8, 2016

Sisters and Brothers –
All of you know that when we began this campaign a little over a year ago we were considered to be a fringe campaign. But over the last year, I think that has changed just a little bit.
As of today, we have won 22 state primaries and caucuses with over 11 million votes. What is most extraordinary to me is that in virtually every single state, we have won in big numbers the votes of young people.
Young people understand that they are the future of America, and they intend to help shape that future. I am enormously optimistic about the future of our country when so many young people have come on board and understand that our vision, a vision of social justice, economic justice, racial justice, and environmental justice, must be the future of America.

Our campaign from day one has understood some very basic points, and that is first, we will not allow right-wing Republicans to control our government. That is especially true with Donald Trump as the Republican candidate. The American people in my view will never support a candidate whose major theme is bigotry, who insults Mexicans, who insults Muslims and women and African-Americans. We will not allow Donald Trump to become president of the United States.
But we understand that our mission is more than just defeating Trump. It is transforming our country. The vast majority of the American people know that it is not acceptable that the top tenth of 1 percent owns as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent; we’re going to change that. When millions of Americans are working longer hours for lower wages, we will not allow 57 percent of all new income to go to the top 1 percent. We will end a corrupt campaign finance system.
Democracy is not about billionaires buying elections. We will end a broken criminal justice system. We will break up the major banks on Wall Street. We will join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people as a right. We will bring about real immigration reform and a path toward citizenship. We will tell the billionaire class and corporate America that they will start paying their fair share of taxes.

What we understand, and what every one of us has always understood, is that real change never occurs from the top on down, always from the bottom on up.
That is the history of America, whether it is the creation of the trade union movement, the civil rights movement, the women’s movement, the gay movement. And that is what OUR movement is about.
But you all know it is more than Bernie Sanders. It is all of us together. That is what this movement is about: millions of people from coast to coast standing up and looking around them and knowing that we can do much, much better as a nation.
Whether Wall Street likes it, whether corporate America likes it, whether wealthy campaign contributors like it, whether the corporate media likes it, together we know what our job is. It is to bring the American people together to create a government that works for us, not the 1 percent.
Next Tuesday, we continue the fight. We are going to fight hard to win the primary in Washington, D.C. And then we take our fight for social, economic, racial, and environmental justice to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

I am pretty good at arithmetic, and I know that the fight in front of us is a very, very steep fight, but we will continue to fight for every vote and every delegate we can get. Last night I had a very kind call from President Obama and I look forward to working with him to ensure that we move this country forward. And last night, I also had a very gracious call from Secretary Clinton and congratulated her on her victories.
Our fight is to transform our country and to understand that we are in this together. It is to understand that all of what we believe is what the majority of the American people believe. And it is to understand that the struggle continues.
If this campaign has proven anything, it has proven that millions of Americans who love this country are prepared to stand up and fight to make this country a much better place.
Thank you all. The struggle continues.
In solidarity,
Bernie Sanders

https://www.facebook.com/notes/bernie-sanders/the-struggle-continues/1064490870272583




There is more inspiration and leadership in this one speech than HRC or Trump have displayed in their entire LIVES!

So you go ahead and look down your nose with your establishment view. I don't care. Your heart is in the right place but you don't get to judge how I feel.

No, the problem is not me. The problem is our system. We have a two party system with no viable third party. If our country actually adopted a viable third party that could actually win the nomination we would all benefit. But, we don't. Because we don't then the President will come from either the Democratic or the Republican side.

I see somebody on the Republican side as FAR more volatile and dangerous than the person on the Democratic side and I think we need to do whatever we can to ensure he does not win. As Bernie chose to run as a Democrat and not as an Independent he should do whatever he can to help make this not happen too. Clinton did her part 8 years ago and worked with her "PUMAS" to get them to support Obama as the nominee. It is time for Sanders to do his part.

So fall in line, right? lol

If that is what you want to call it, then fine. Sure, I am "falling in line" to do my part in preventing a hateful, racist, egotistical demagogue from becoming President and to secure a SCOTUS pick who isn't far right.

If that is what it takes to stop Trump...then I am at the front of the queue.

Me too.

I feel Trump is going to start "calming down" with his charade.

Well hold onto your hat, and go sit on the toilet I don't want you to crap your pants. Obama has damn near DOUBLED our national debt in seven years, without a war. Yet the only sound I hear coming from Democrats is

So, neither of you are voting for Clinton?

That does appear to be the argument, which is one of the reasons we are where we are.... they have done a great job of convincing us, and we have done it in convincing ourselves, that the the system as it is running has major flaws.. and the only thing worse than living with those flaws, is taking the risk to change them... Vote status quo in 2016 - The alternative is too scary.

Yes, that is true. However, we were, and are, currently in a war against Terrorism. We are still in the middle east engaging in operations and working with Iraqi and Afghan troops to help them fight ISIS, Qaeda, Taliban etc. We are also sending missiles and aircraft over Syria and engaging in operations in places like Yemen, Pakistan and various African countries.

A chunk of that change also went into helping revive an economy that was spiraling down the toilet. The "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act" and the Auto Bailout were necessary or else the US might just look like Greece today. Remember the economic disaster was not caused by Obama it was in full swing in the early/mid 2000's before Obama was elected. They were discussing it during debates in 2008.

I'm sure Detroit is also thankful for the injection of cash as should all Americans. To allow our auto industry to plummet would have been regretful.

But, I do agree with you that our debt is a serious concern for Republicans and Democrats a like. Perhaps waging future wars we have no business fighting would be wise to avoid. We may need to look into our overall spending too. As we spend more money on our military than several countries *combined* then this could surely be curtailed a bit.

Sean hannity is trying real hard to defend trump.

That's the truth. I was just posting about this earlier on the Facebook when someone posted that a Rolling Stone Article declared Obama a great success. In 2008, our Debt to GDP Ratio (and I think this counts what we owe US Banks, the people, and foreign countries) was 64.5%, now it's 105%.

It's the highest it's been since World War 2. This is one of our biggest problems that so many are forgetting.


And I do think we excuse the President is given too much of a pass on this one. Sure, he inherited Iraq. And we spend wayyy too much on our military. But, there are MUCH bigger concerns that get ignored.

Here's a link to a chart showing our spending
https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_pie%2C__2015_enacted.png

It includes Mandated, Discressionary, and Interest on the Debt.

Obviously, huge changes need to happen. And reducing our military isn't going to be the only thing to do it (as it only makes up 16.5 percent of our total expenses).

What we really need to also focus on are the biggest pieces. The ones under Mandatory Expenses. (Social Security, Unemployment, & Labor at 33%) and (Medicare and Health at 27%). That makes up 60 percent of all our expenditures right there.

We will never solve the national debt crisis when we're only working with 40% of our expenses (6 percent of which is interest on the debt, which supposedly will overtake the military as our biggest discressionary expenditure at some point).



But we ignore this issue, thinking that if we pretend it doesn't exist, it'll go away. Like if you stand in a cage with a Lion and keep your back to it, it isn't there so you're safe............

Unless we figure out how to increase revenue BIG TIME (through taxes or economic growth), we are going to have to start gutting our expenses significantly. It might even take a bit of both.

We have to start by balancing a budget, which doesn't include increasing the budget every year.

People need to understand, with more and more people living longer, SS is a pipe dream. That isn't a republican/democrat issue, either. That's reality. The money we pay into SS needs to go to an individual account instead of a pool.

Cutting down foreign aid will help tremendously.

Making corporations pay their fair share will also help.

Put see, people don't wanna hear about getting rid of every deduction on the books.

We know what will work, but nobody wants to do it. Because we live in an every man for himself society in America. But then when crap goes bad, people start trying to blame the man beside them.

When everything is going good, "I did it all by myself"

When things go bad "it's you guys fault"

Can't say I disagree with what you're saying.

Although in the Global Economy, I do think we have to at least be competitive to keep corporations here. I see it in CT. Someone offers a company a better deal, and they leave (and we lose huge amounts of revenue). In this day and age, if you aren't producing things on site, packing up and going somewhere else isn't hard. You just pack up the computers and find another office.


But otherwise, this is all true. And I don't get how young folks don't care. I don't understand where my generation is at on this issue. I mean, I'm 30 years old and I pay into a Social Security System that I will NEVER see a dime from. There's just no way. With life expectancy increasing at a rate higher than that of retirement age, there will never be any way to make up for the shortfalls.

And that's not to mention our deficit. I mean, even IF we balanced the budget, we'd still be dealing with paying the interest on the debt, which is increasing at an enormous rate. And do we ever plan on paying off the debt? 19.5 trillion dollars?

But no one cares of course. We just prefer to ignore it and focus all our attention on social issues like Transgenders in bathrooms, Donald Trump's Wall (which will never exist, how can we afford that one! I mean, does anyone think we could actually build something like this? If we tried today to build the Hoover Dam, it would never happen. No way, heck we can't even manage to redo the local onramp to I-95 in under two years!), Michelle Obama's facism with kid's school lunches, Gays getting married (which is a huge deal to them, we should have just given it to them instead of putting up the fight that we did), Christians in Texas wanting to put a Christmas Crest at their townhall, and boys running in girls HS Track races in freakin Alaska. And that list can go on and on and on



EDIT: We actually could build the wall. But my only way of doing it is paying migrant workers 20$ an hour and offer them free lunch. We'd get the cream of the crop. Guys who work hard and do quality work. Kind of ironic, the only people who could pull off building Trumps wall would be the people we're trying to keep out....... But i'll say, they're some of the most productive people around

Im with you. Im 28 bro.

It's funny because I'm constantly hearing the talk about patriotism from social media.....until money is involved. Then it instantly turns into "everybody can go to hell" when we start talking taxes.

Have you noticed that every time the people focus on jobs, corporations, out sourcing and taxes, a civil rights issue pops up out of nowhere?

Congress just increased the military budget again?

Uh uh uh.... Looks at those gays!!!!!

GE didn't pay a dime in taxes?

Uh uh uh.... Those damn Syrian refugees!!!!

I agree. First off, there is absolutely ZERO incentive in the federal government to be more efficient or to save money. I used to see it at GSA late summer every year.. hundreds of new Dell Computers would show up. They would actually line them up in the long hall ways, stacked about 4 high.. nobody really needed them, but there was money left in the budget and if they didn't spend it, they might not get as big of a budget next year. So rather than get praise for actually bringing your department in under budget and saving money and then being asked for a realistic budget for next year, they would just start spending the money on stuff they didn't really need to keep from having their budget cut in the future.


George Bush brought that up and "people" went absolutely nuts.


I don't know exactly how much we give in foreign aid, I saw a stat in the $40 billion range.. I have no idea what is in that number or not in that number.. $40 billion would help if we cut it out completely


Yes it would. I'm not in favor of getting rid of EVERY deduction.. not sure if that's what you meant or not. Some deductions make sense because they encourage risk and spending and growth.. but a lot of them are just created for a financial shell game to help corporations hide assets and profit and avoid taxes.. so yea, those need to go.


I agree with the second part.. less on the first part. I'm not sure we do know for sure what will work. I think we have a lot of good ideas but they involve change, change causes fear.. "People" are afraid that if we simplify but cut corporate taxes that social programs won't get funded.. "Different people" believe that if we raise corporate taxes that corporations will continue to leave.. so I'm not sure we do know exactly where that balance is. What we all should agree on though, is that a company with profits in the BILLIONS should not be paying 0 taxes.

Haha. See, I don't mind paying taxes, what I hate is all the wasted money.

That's why I'm a conservative. I believe in small government and small budgets. I believe there's a ton of waste. The one big government thing I do believe in is a national healthcare system just like every other developed country in the world.

Unfortunately, republican or democrat, we just seem to have these gigantic budgets and huge amounts of wasted money. Costs of living are ridiculous too. I mean, there's 600,000 people who work for the department of defense. That's like twice the amount of people who live in Cincy. That's like 2 out of every 1000 people. And our military is only 1.3 million active duty members. I mean, Jesus. How does that make sense?


So yeah, most importantly we need to balance our budget and keep the lobyists out of Washington. We also need to tax social security all the way up someone's payroll instead of just capping it(like Chris Christie proposed), reduce our military drastically (roll, quantity, and cost), and stop deporting good looking single females (we could always use more of them, kick out the ugly ones and the guys)

I cannot vote for either one of the 2 major candidates. They are both cut from the same cloth, and I don't trust either one as far as I could throw them.

I am torn whether to vote for Gary Johnson, Bozo the clown, or write in GM's name.

*Sigh* What incredibly crappy choices we have.

My mom and I were discussing this yesterday. This presidential election leaves a lot to be desired candidates wise

I have decided on Johnson. My reason is that he is already poling much higher than the Libertarian candidates have before. He's poling at anywhere from 10 to 11 percent currently. I believe that there's a strong possibility that if he can get to around 20%, it will be the deciding factor in this election by taking away so many votes from his big party counterparts.

It's the only chance I see to get the GOP and Dems. to start re-thinking things and the best possibility at getting people to understand there is a legitimate third choice.

Until some other party begins to mount a threat, there's zero chance anything will change. Now I don't expect anyone to agree with me, but it's the best way I have to make a real statement with my vote.

I just hope Johnson gets to 15% so he'll be included in the national debates.

I see absolutely no way that Johnson gets 20%.

I think that he'll be lucky to get 1% of the total vote, but given the nature of our Presidential elections over the past 20 or so years, 1% could tip the election one way or the other.

Ross Perot was the most successful 3rd party candidate in the past 100 or so years, and he only got 19% of the vote. I have heard that a Presidential candidate, in the general, should expect to spent $1 billion on the election. No way does Johnson get that kind of financial support, especially after so many of the big money donors were already burned on guys like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio.

If Johnson gets 5% (IIRC) of the popular vote, nationwide, then the Presidential candidate in 2020 will gain government funding in the amount of $10 million, or so. That is what they are hoping for. 20% stands almost no chance, unless Hillary is indicted late in the process, and Trump does another really stupid thing. Even then, I can't see him getting even 5% of the popular vote, let alone any more than that.

Most people who would vote for Johnson are disgruntles with the other candidates, and those people are just as likely to stay home, as to turn out and vote for a guy with 0 chance of winning. They may even decide that they have to vote against one or the other candidate. If he gets to 5%, that would be an incredible success for him. I don't see it happening, though.

When Obama came into office, we were in a war, and frankly, until a few years ago, we were still in that war. To say he did all that without a war is actually inaccurate.

Further, Obama spent a bunch of money digging out from under the mess W put us in.

So, honestly I don't get all the hate over this issue.

There are other issues that I think hate for Obama comes into play perfectly, this just isn't one of them.

J/C on you.

I see some are understanding what I've been saying since forever - our debt is killing us. It does - on a personal level, a business level, or any gov't. level. Keep adding debt without increasing revenue, and you're spending yourself out of the future.

Anyway - to DC's point (or whoever it was) about gov't. efficiency, and budgets, and if you don't spend it you might not get it the next year.


Perfect example on an extremely small scale.

Out town "leaders" want to re-route 2 state routes to a mile out of town. Why? Because of truck traffic, and the difficulty making a right hand turn, in town, for one of the st. rts.

That right hand turn had been there since the town was built. It wasn't ever a problem until the town re-did the road 10-12 years ago. They put up all fancy cross walk lights, bollards to protect them, etc.

Trucks started hitting the bollards because they were placed way too close to the road. The town called it a nightmare. It wasn't. So, then the town decided to push to move the st. rts out of town. To keep trucks from town.

No one was in favor of it.

Fast forward a bit: The town bought the business/building on the corner - $80,000. Then they paid $25,000 to tear it down. Then, they paid just under $200,000 to re-do the street/corner. (on a side note, the town is spending just under $30,000 to get a mural painted on the wall of the adjoining building to "make it look nice".

Okay - truck problem solved, right? Oh, hell no. The town leaders still went ahead pushing the idea of moving the st. rts. out of town - 1 mile west, to a county road. They wanted to run the st. rt. so it would match up with the turnpike exit, and go all the way to Defiance to line up with st. rt. 24. This road is in fulton county, then henry county, then defiance county.

Defiance county said "no way. We don't want a st. rt. running down that road, as we have a school that sits right beside it. (elementary, middle school, and high school - 3 buildings). Henry county said "we don't want it either."

The town "leaders" pushed ahead though, saying it would be good for business - for the economy. Paid BGSU $50,000 to do a study on the economic impact. Amazingly, the BGSU study showed enormous financial benefit if the change was made. Something like only 10 lost jobs, but a gain of 150 jobs. Yeah, right.

Only 1 business was in favor of this whole thing, saying "semi's can't get to us". Those semi's didn't turn at the problem corner, as the business is located in an industrial park 1.5 miles south anyway.

Not 1 person or business in town supports this (aside from the aforementioned business).

Not 1 person that lives on the proposed NEW route is in favor of it. Homes are somewhat close to the road, it's very agriculture - tractors, combines, etc. There is a grain mill that sits right on the road. People have wells that would be paved over, etc.

The township this would run through has done what the township citizens want, and voted against it.

None of this is stopping our village administrator from pushing for it, or the town council from pushing for it.

(on a side note, the village admin is an ex water plant operator. Concerning the wells that would get paved over, his comment was "I wouldn't trust the water from those wells any further than I could toss this building."

Interestingly enough, one of those wells is what I grew up drinking from. 12 homes get water from that well. Talking with my dad last night, I said "why don't they get someone to come and test the town water and the well water and see which is purer?" Dad's reply was "someone did have it tested." Guess which water won, in safety, purity, cleanliness, etc? Let's just say, if you're in this area of n.w. Ohio, drink well water.

(and by the way, my parents don't live on the proposed new route. They're just over a half mile away - BUT, the well they (and so many others use), would be torn out if the whole thing goes through.

So, fast forward - NO ONE is for it, everyone is against it. But, the town got approval for a study. $1.4 million study, of which the town only paid $300,000 for, and the state chipped in the difference of $1.1 million.

Come to find out, the state said originally "okay, here's $1.1 million for the study. If the road ends up not being built, the town has to reimburse us the $1.1 million."

So, with that news, and all the money spent ($655,000 so far, just to "study" this, and with the possibility of adding $1.1 million to it if it's not built), the town has doubled down and just last week filed paper work to secede from the township. Trying to 1 up the township, so to speak.

(townships are much bigger than towns around here)

Admin has been quoted as saying "if we secede from the township, it will save our tax payers in town $260,000.

What knothead DIDN'T say is, the township provides all the fire trucks, up keep on them, insurance, wages for the volunteers, etc. So, if the town secedes, the fire equipment goes bye bye. The township isn't going to support the fire department if they aren't getting any money.

I haven't priced fire trucks recently, but I will say, for a town our size, we have an awesome fire department. With about 7 fire trucks, in varying configurations. (and the town has never been shy in asking for more money for upgrades)


Way too long, I know. But all of this because 2 trucks a month got stuck making a right hand turn in town. In town where, a few years ago, prior to the rebuild, there was never a problem.

Wanna know why I don't trust gov't.? Just here, they've spent almost 3/4 of a million dollars "studying" and changing - in order for 2 trucks a month to not get stuck, when absolutely no one wants it.

With that extra $1.1 million hanging over the towns head, of course they're pushing for it, against everyones wishes.

The elected representatives have cornered themselves, and the town admin is to blame quite a bit. And who's money are they spending?

He incites riots? What? That sounds much like people saying MLK incited riots by the KKK.

People - well, some people, don't understand that it's not trump supporters rioting. The rioters are the anti trump people. Yet some simply can't make that connection, or, as it really is, disconnection.

Trump isn't inciting, inviting or causing riots. But, try explaining that do hillary or bernie fans. It totally flies over their heads, and they blame trump.

I was browsing through some yahoo news stories at lunch and came across an interesting one. As more and more on the right are moving away from Trump, there is increasing talk about re-writing the rules before the convention and allowing another candidate to participate in the vote. And the name that is popping up. That old Koch darling Scott Walker.
I better start stocking up on popcorn. Gonna be a long summer.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/talk-grows-replacing-trump-convention-000000790.html