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. I don't doubt that some of them are real, but we shouldn't then treat them all as real.

Are you referring solely to the bathroom situation?

Just curious Erik what this statement means? I believe all people should be treated with dignity and respect. I also wonder what your timeline would be for an individual to decide if their "transgenderism" is "real" or imagined.

And, please see Swish's definition of real in this thread. I am just wondering how we can determine if another's mannerisms are real or imagined, occurring in fact or supposed.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-...rder-sex-change

As expected I found just one psychiatrist named as a source for all the "current science" you claimed. The exact same percentages and wording as you posted is right here.

So once again, your vaunted medical knowledge has led you to attempt to discredit what I have said, and you found an entire single article. Did you yell out 'viola`' or 'eureka' when you found it, or are you actually going to do more research on this subject? I can tell you right now, that wasn't an article I read.

To put this quite simply, I have a step son that is one of these 'transgendered' kids. He was just under 4 years old when I married his mother, and I've been his dad longer than his actual father. That kid wanted to be a girl from the first time I met him. He outgrew it around age 20, and now he's happily gay. I have read these articles over a period of years, as I needed help in trying to raise this kid. Mostly, my role was being supportive of him while letting him know he was different. We never tried to force him to be something he wasn't, which is some of the recommendations in the articles I read. We bought him boy and girl toys, and he never gravitated to the boy toys. I even put this kid through some martial arts training.

When he admitted to being gay to us, we told him that we knew, that we still loved him, and we would help him as we could. I let him know that his education was very important, and I'd never be able to afford the surgery for him, and if he was able to be in business for himself, it would probably work best for his purposes.

I have read hundreds of these articles, and as far as I know, you found the one that you are using to prove your point. I raised a good kid that could have had lots of problems, and he seems to be getting on with his life and making something of himself. I've done my research. How much have you actually done?

Is he like, man bun gay? Or swole, just got out of prison type gay?

Or, polo shirts and shirt gay? I got a cousin who's man bun gay, dude is hilarious.

I wanted to see the current science that you could have easily provided but refused to offer it up to educate us. I found the one article that matches your numbers exactly. You are one to jump and discredit others here all the time. Many times without providing any data to back anything up. Comments like "the current science" is vague and can easily be discredited. Voila! So what?

I never claimed vaunted medical knowledge like you did then couldn't or wouldn't back it up.

I have a cousin that has transitioned years ago when he was in his early twenties. She says this isn't science it's an opinion. Good luck to your son

I don't doubt that some of them are real, but we shouldn't then treat them all as real.

Fair enough. And yes many young gay children want to be the other sex until they grow up and come to the realization they were born gay. He didn't grow out of anything. He grew up. This is not science, it's humanity.

BTW, His vote should cancel out your vote this November.