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Hmmm...well, that seems obvious. If one's god is caring and loving it seems that god should accept, respect and love everybody no matter their race, creed or sexuality. Those directing hatred or violence towards anybody seems hypocritical to a peaceful, loving god.

Have you read the bible? God is one of the most vengeful ideas I've ever read about. Dude got so pissed with us, he apparently killed 99.9% of the population by a method in which is one of the most painfully, uncomfortable way too die by drowning.

Doesn't sound like love and caring.

and just who says God does not love everybody??????

Let me ask you a question bro.

Do you punish your children for anything? and if so why do you do it?

This sounds like a trap question.

What a joke! 'Fear, fear, fear'? How about some of what the politicians that wanted the remain vote said before the vote. Pres. obummer told the british they would be moved to the "back of the queue" when it came to new trade policy (loved the use of the more British term queue), "Leaving would be a grave threat to our local economies, risking people's jobs and livelihoods," the letter from the Core Cities group of councils said. (I guess those stupid people that didn't know what they were voting for never saw that), German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble said there was no chance of Britain being able to enter the same type of agreement as Switzerland or Norway in which they enjoy some of the benefits of the single market without being an EU member, The prime minister said Brexit could cause a "black hole" in the public finances and threaten the "triple lock" guaranteeing state pension increases, and finally, this article says a lot, http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8224/european-union-support

Here's some excerpts from the above link.
Much of the disaffection with the EU among Europeans can be attributed to Brussels' handling of the refugee issue. In every country surveyed, overwhelming majorities disapprove of how Brussels has dealt with the crisis. This includes 94% of Greeks, 88% of Swedes and 77% of Italians. In Hungary and Poland, disapproval of how the refugee crisis has been managed stands at 72% and 71%, respectively. In France, 70% disapprove; in Germany the figure is 67%. The strongest approval of EU management of the refugee crisis is in the Netherlands, but that backing is a tepid 31%.

Nearly two-thirds (65%) of Britons say they want the EU to return certain powers to national governments. This Euroskepticism is not limited to Britain. In Greece, 68% of those surveyed want some EU powers devolved to the national government, followed by Sweden (47%); the Netherlands (44%) and Germany (43%).

On May 4, Juncker warned that EU countries that failed to "show solidarity" by refusing take in migrants would face a fine of €250,000 ($285,000) per migrant. (remember I said something about unelected bureaucrats)

On May 24, the unelected president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, vowed to use sanctions to isolate far-right or populist governments that are swept into office on the wave of popular anger against migration. Under powers granted to the European Commission in 2014, Juncker can trigger a "rule of law alert" for countries that depart from "the common constitutional traditions of all member states." Rather than accepting the will of the people at the voting booth, Juncker can impose sanctions to address "systemic deficiencies" in EU member states.(If you vote wrong, we will force you to correct it?)

On December 15, 2015, the European Commission unveiled plans for a new European Border and Coast Guard force that can intervene anywhere in the EU, even without the host country's consent.

On March 8, 2015, Juncker said that the EU needed its own military in order to restore the bloc's standing around the world: "Europe's image has suffered dramatically and also in terms of foreign policy, we don't seem to be taken entirely seriously."

When you add in some of the more ridiculous EU rules, you will see more and more why they wanted out.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/5867...ions-Britain-EU

International ridicule erupted when the EU stated that all bananas must be "free of abnormal curvature".

Under the rules, cucumbers were to be "practically straight" and bent by a gradient of no more than 1/10.

In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

This meant manufacturers of bottled drinking water were prohibited from labelling their product with anything that would suggest consumption would fight dehydration.

Meddling legislators made it illegal for prunes to be sold as a super food that acts as a laxative.

And after a thorough investigation, the EU ruled: "The evidence provided is insufficient to establish a cause and effect relationship between the consumption of dried plums of 'prune' cultivars and maintenance of normal bowel function"

Up to one million drivers faced losing their driving licenses - because harsh EU experts deemed people with diabetes "unfit" to drive.

It was as though the British way of life was under threat when the EU looked to target the nation's kettles, toasters and even lawnmowers.

Their plans to erode the lifestyle choices of ordinary people were followed by the banning of the powerful vacuum cleaner.

In 2014 vacuum cleaners, which had motors above the EU limit of 1,600 watts had to go.


So, according to you, all the poor stupid people that voted for Brexit should receive a best 2 out of 3 vote, to save them from their poor stupid selves, although it's undemocratic. Right now their is a robot generated petition saying they should, with signatures from North Korea and Antarctica.

As for your doubt of 'no go' zones, I've seen them. You can look them up on the UK news almost every day. The muslims hang up 'sharia zone' signs and have people walk around with 'sharia police' orange vests. They might not be officially declared, but the intent is obvious, which is to intimidate. They have smashed up bars and liquor stores in these zones, and they do put their laws over the UKs. Milo's statements about Rotherham were true link, along with the new rape culture Link. It looks like your 'fear fear fear' is being immigrated with a purpose to me.

yes, and even after all that rambling you did, at the end of the day...

you got politicians in the UK trying to figure out ways to reverse the decision. you got the people who vote "leave" regretting their decision already.

and you know why the people of England are scrambling?

The EU’s top leaders have said they expect the UK to act on its momentous vote to leave the union “as soon as possible, however painful that process may be” and that there will be “no renegotiation”.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016...-european-union

nobody gives a damn about a vacuum cleaner, Erik. but regardless, you clearly ignoring the panicking the british people are doing, cause reality hit they asses:

grass ain't always greener on the other side.

do us a favor. Move to England. Go down with that ship you seem to defend so much. if you think everything will be a-ok. prove it, put your money where your mouth is.

and why do you keep going back to no go zones, when their biggest beef is with the polish people(their biggest minority group)?

how come you never mention that, why does it always have to be anybody with brown skin with you?

You mean this?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683613/...motivated-crime

No, they don't like the Polish either. It's probably because they're getting jobs while the Brits don't. It falls under the same umbrella of immigration, though. At least the Poles aren't setting up their own law zones.

The people of England aren't scrambling any more than any nation would with this type of vote, and of course people are panicking due to the crazy coverage of the Brexit vote. You guys are all acting like everything is going to be static with their Pound after the first day, as if it will never recover.

As I have said before, I have family there, so they go down with the ship, if it does.

The EU are acting like spoiled children that got told no, which is the reason for their reaction. The Brits are tired of the stupid regulations being handed down, watching criminals get out of prison due to 'claustrophobia' and other bull, and you are obviously augmenting their panic.

Why don't you move to Turkey where they shoot gay pride parades with rubber bullets, as that type of behavior is following those people, seeing as you like to defend them so much.

You finally say something about it after I call you repeatedly over it.

Don't pat yourself on the back just yet, though.

Nobody said they won't recover, but their chances of being AS strong as it once one doesn't look that great.

You thinking short term where myself and PDX thinks long term.

And that's the problem: politicians and citizens got caught up in the hype and thought short term, and now they're seeing what's gonna happen long term with this decision.

And the EU acting like spoiled children? Dude, they are saying "hurry up and bounce" and "own that decision"

England is the one acting like spoiled children. They threw a hissy fit without taking into account the potential consequences of their actions.

Ya know, like that sad emo kid in the back of moms minivan. Their parents suck, but they still don't have a problem asking for 50 bucks to go to the mall.

I've repeatedly slammed Turkey over and over again on these boards, and everybody knows that. Except you of course.

It's funny that people like to say I have a chip on my shoulder, but never address you directly. You act like some Arab immigrant stole your girl or something. You act like some vengeful ex boyfriend like "once she sees how lame he is, she'll coming running back to me!!!"

She's never coming back bro. Get over it. And you need to get over blaming non whites for your problems, ya know, personal responsibility and all that.

Oh really? Where does this vaunted knowledge come from, miss cleo? You're thinking long term while only talking about the short term panic that is going on, mostly by the politicians that are losing their jobs and status? With the exception of a small drop in their currency, the people of the UK have not been affected at all. The GBP will recover as it always has.

"England is the one acting like spoiled children. They threw a hissy fit without taking into account the potential consequences of their actions."
I guess like PDX, they all must be stupid children that have to be ruled over by their masters. You know that is the thinking that caused the Jacobite rebellions and the American Revolution, right? We got tired of our overlords treating us like we were unable to care for ourselves, and did something about it. This is what the EU is doing, which is why I brought up the stupid vacuum cleaner ruling. The EU is trying to micro manage 27 other countries.

I find it funny that you keep trying to slam me on a color issue. I don't care about their color. The migrants coming into this nation and others could be white for all I care. It's their way of life and their values I have a problem with.

Do tell.

Yes, we already agreed in pages prior to this that the EU micromanaging countries isn't a good thing.

I dunno why you keep bringing this up as if it's some new ground breaking point.

What we're saying is that the knee jerk reaction of just pulling out completely is reckless and short sighted. Why couldn't they just negotiate a Norway type deal? Or a Switzerland type deal?


So yes, England is acting like a spoiled child, and now they're pissed that they are being held accountable for their actions. And you thinks that's somehow wrong?

If you tell me that you're leaving the club, I'm not gonna beg you to stay. If you wanna bounce, then bounce, and make it quick.

England is going ""we wanna leave.... But let's have break up sex first". Nah guy, if you wanna go, then go.

And I don't have to slam you on the color issue. You do it all on your own, I just highlight the situation.

Knee jerk reaction? You think this vote was spur of the moment and not years in the making? The UK populace has had problems with the EU for years. The vote has been coming for years. Some knee jerk reaction. Norway and Switzerland were never part of the EU and refused to join. They negotiated all their deals on their own, instead of putting the overreaching body of unelected officials over them.

I guess the rape culture isn't enough for you.

Huh? Both countries have trade agreements with the EU that way they can still access the single market. They don't have tons of different trade agreements like England is gonna have to do in the future.

A complete pull out over negotiating a deal to remove restrictions is absolutely knee jerk.

God speed with your ship, El Capitan

So that's exclusive to their way of life?

So the entire Muslim community supports rape culture?

We don't have a rape culture here in the US?

How dense are you?

I gotta give you credit for admitting to feelings that many people have but are not willing to admit to. I think your feelings are natural and normal human thoughts that take a conscious effort to get past and find the truth.

Boy, England taking L's all over the place!!

This, and now they just lost in the quarter finals to Iceland in the Euro Cup lmfaoooo

Nope not a trap question at all. You should know me well enough by now to know it was an honest question.

Well, those angry, aggressive folks from, what is it called, Westboro Baptist Church? You know those guys that hold disgusting, repugnant placards and shout angry, nasty horrible things to anybody they deem doesn't fit into their "heaven". They immediately come to mind.

But, I am currently in Seattle and on my drive up there is a massive billboard facing the Interstate in the middle of the rural/small town part of the state that says something obnoxious about god, guns, Muslims, gays, abortion. Freedom of speech. Sure.
But, what a shame those who use that freedom for the promotion of their religious purposes seem so angry and judgmental.

I myself am not aware of anyone that supports the westboro baptist church (cult)

They speak for Christians in the same manner al queda, or isis, speak for islam.

God does love everyone. Me thinks God is severely disappointed with the westboro cult. I also think a bit more about that cult - no need to get into it here.

Suffice it to say, they represent Christianity in the same way that tossing gays off of buildings represents islam.

Dude...where in any of these pages did I ever say they should hold a 2nd referendum? That defeats the democratic process. If people are now second guessing their votes because the crap is hitting the fan and they didn't expect that when they voted...well, then that is an education issue. They had plenty of time to read up on it and not vote via their emotions. I mean, when I buy a lottery ticket and don't win I can't say "I want a re-draw". So, no I never suggested nor hinted they should re-vote.

I am not going to get into all the other this and that with you. I too have family in the UK. I lived and worked there for 14 years. My kids were born there. My wife is English. I do feel I know the country well enough to comment on my experiences in Britain. But, all of my family and all of our friends were very much on the Remain side. So, they clearly stand divided with your family who sound like they were on the Leave side.

What is happening is very sad. It is a total cluster. NI & Scotland wanting to now leave, the PM stepping down before Article 50, the Labor Party unraveling. The Pound at its lowest in 30 years. Everybody is predicting a recession will hit the UK. Nobody knows how long it will last or how bad it will be but, this will affect us too. London is still the European financial capital. That ship can't go down without causing major ripples worldwide.

The vote happened and now they need to deal with its fall out. The best thing is to stay united and work through these unforeseen, uncertain times together rather than divided. Nobody knows what may be around the corner. But, the British were united and they survived the Blitz. If they can survive the Blitz and if they stand together I am sure they can survive Brexit.

HA!

For 30 years you elites have ignored the plight of the regular British working man!

So now, how does it feel to be punched in the nose?

This was exactly my point on my 2nd to last post on page 5 of this thread.

Elites? Not sure what you mean by that.

I'm a regular working man too.

Good thing none of those people actually speak for God.

Let me fix that for you. It's called the Westboro Satanist Church from Hell'

Now as far as a sign in the middle of nowhere that says something you can't even remember What does that have to do with GOD's love?

I see in the News today that we and the British have some similar problems.

Their youth also have no understanding of Democracy and are calling for a do over vote.

I guess if Trump loses I will follow their lead and call for a do over till we get it right.

??? It isn't just the youth calling for a do over vote. Man y'all find ways to trash young people all the time.

Us millennials ruining everything yet again.

Too bad our generation, as a whole, tends to act as more open and progressive than prior generations. Granted, that's happened all throughout human history before us.

Just wonder what happened with Civil Rights in the prior generation. Seems like once initiatives like busing kids for schools everyone flipped out; such a shame, honestly.

Well according to the British News and the CNBC I was watching, they attribute most of the do over protests to the Nations youth.

Argue with them if you like, you wouldn't be able to handle the truth when you see it anyway.

Only an indoctrinated millennial would think it was the youth of this Nation that changed Civil Rights. Do you even have a clue as to the age of MLK, Kennedy, Johnson, and all "we the other people" when we voted for change? The voting age back then was 21 years old which would eliminate most of you Bernie Sanders folks from even having a say.

About the only thing more fun than watching old people blame young people for everything is watching young people whine and cry about it.

Yes, and wasn't it our generation who promoted free love and the drug culture?

I mean if you just go by the headlines those are easy assumptions to make. Remember, in our day our generation were called liberals, druggies, hippies and all kinds of things to. The Christian right accused us of all going to hell. The vast majority of our youth loved Bobby Kennedy, until he was assassinated.

You kind of sound like a broken record from the past. lol

Broad generalizations have never not worked for me...

You are talking of the generation of youth who spread sexually transmitted diseases throughout society culminating in the Aids epidemic of the 80's? The generation that lead us into the drug addicted society we call home today?

Yea, we were young and we were stupid. Hopefully, those of us who survived it, have matured to realize the err of our ways instead of making excuses for it. Hopefully we can save our children and grandchildren from what we started and warn the stupid generation of today that what they think is progressive may have consequences beyond their control.

Greg Gutfeld: Brexit's babies: Why the Leavers won and the losers can't stop crying

People (I will politely call them that, when referring to celebrities and media on Twitter) are acting like the Brexit vote is the end of humanity.

It’s an online spectacle, this manic hissy fit orchestrated by A, B and C listers who seemingly have ignored the scandalous depravity unfolding in Venezuela, the horrors of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the murderous homophobia of ISIS and assorted other Islamist terror outfits, the barrel bombing of Syrians (which helped foster the Brexit vote).

Yes, the Chicken Littles’ pleading for a re-vote are the same ones who CAUSED the vote, through selective outrage, shallow taunts and cowardly ambivalence.

Brexit could have been avoided if its critics could have been honest about the present day world.

Brexit could have been avoided if its critics could have been honest about the present day world.

But they weren’t.

And so, on that note, here’s why Brexit happened, from a Yank’s eye.

The Remainders remained home; the silent ones didn’t If you want to know who didn’t go out and vote – it’s the people hilariously demanding a second chance. The people who were sure Brexit wasn’t going to happen, were so sure it wasn’t going to happen, that they didn’t bother to get off their arses and vote. Now they want a do-over, a redo, calling this election a mulligan. I don’t think it works that way. If you didn’t take it seriously the first time, and everyone else who voted did – that’s on you. You were caught out in your arrogance and ignorance, assuming everyone who was for the exit was a frail, white angry pensioner. Turns out they were people you know – they just never told you so!

While you ragged on and on about the bigotry of the leavers at a cocktail party in Chelsea or a pub in Islington, those who disagreed just silently nodded, hoping you’d shut up at some point.

The Remainders offended anyone who felt discomfort over mass migration. Fact is, Great Britain has been under siege by the Islamophobia-phobia – the same disease that also grips the American media and body politic. If you express any fears over the rise of Islamism and its assorted toxic doctrines (whose consequences are recently visible in horrific splendor), you are the bad guy – the racist. You are actually worse than the perpetrator of such misdeeds. The sense that control over your own country was now in the hands of impotent bureaucrats in Brussels, and that a vote to leave could wrest your country away from such toadies who are putting your country at risk – is not a symptom of racism or xenophobia. It’s actually a sensible outlook given the state of affairs all over the globe.

True , the mass migration is not the refugee’s fault: the west shares blame in its ineffectual response. And many don’t wish to flee – they simply have no choice. But given that over a million who might stream into Germany could then now come to Glasgow or Glastonbury –and within these numbers might sneak a lone ISIS fiend – why shouldn’t you, a British citizen, be concerned? You’d be an ostrich with your head not just in the sand, but up your own butt.

The modern human lacks sense of priority. I don’t know whether it’s hilarious or sad that Lindsay Lohan, James Corden and others are expressing outrage over Brexit, as Venezuela descends into an abysmal amalgam of Soylent Green and Lord of the Flies. Bold-faced names are expressing elitist outrage over a vote, while people down south are assaulting each other over toilet paper. Venezuela represents real-time suffering, not the hypothetical hysterias put forth over Brexit. The actual policies of a government – one lauded by Sean Penn and Oliver Stone – are creating a living hell, against the wishes of the suffering people. And yet, the stars in our celebrity skies prefer to wring their soft, precious mitts over Brexit.

Here’s why: Venezuela’s demise is caused by an ideology romanticized by the same people fretting over Brexit: socialism.

It’s just easier to call a British man who fought in World War II a racist, than it is to condemn an inhuman ideology that he fought and beat.

Fact is – Venezuela would LOVE to have a referendum like Brexit – to be able to exercise some autonomy over and away from the tyrannical ideologues who’ve destroyed their once rich country. Instead they starve and/or die, while the media denigrates grannies drinking tea.

How did this lead to Brexit? I have a theory. Philosophers who are way smarter than me have studied this perplexing priority -- that despite leading moral lives we tend to care more about a small problem in our vicinity (my roof is leaking), than a larger problem far away (a mudslide kills hundreds).

Even more, research shows that the larger the suffering, the less we react. Meaning our heartstrings will be pulled harder by the photo of one starving child – than many children equally in pain. It’s weird but true. We care less when there is more.

What we are seeing with Brexit is a play on this weird reflex. Because a starlet once lived in London, this compels her to express an oh-so-brave stance against Brexit (even though a week ago she might have thought Brexit was a laxative). Yet, has she said anything about Venezuela, or Syria, or Afghanistan, or the Taliban? I must have missed it.

My point: it’s no longer a comparison between one starving child and many, it’s a choice between exercising one’s moral superiority in a risk-free environment (let’s go on Twitter and call pro-Brexit people racist or dumb) – and calling out real horror (islamists chucking gays off bridges and buildings).

This moral cowardice as expressed by the most well-known of earthlings is what led to Brexit. Brexit wasn’t just evidence of a natural concern over one’s well being in the face of rising Islamism amidst the European Union’s lax immigration policy, it’s also a big middle finger (or two “middle” fingers, if you’re British) to those who cannot prioritize injustice, or evil.

So call those who voted for Brexit bigots or idiots -- you’ll only encourage them. And by selectively ignoring greater evils around you -- you’ll be making the case for leaving better than the leavers ever could. And you make the world less safe, too.

Maybe it’s good you stick to Twitter.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/06/2...ml?intcmp=hpbt4

Whack article is whack.

The leavers are already crying about their decision. Young and old. Got hung up on symbolism and forgot the real world consequences.

John oliver said it best: the name "United Kingdom" is starting to sound a bit sarcastic.

Good article.... thanks for posting it 40.

The Brits "Get it" and so do we.