Felony charges are difficult to get and are extraordinarily serious
That is definitely a matter of perception. Try telling 1 out of 4 or 5 black men how hard it is to become a felon.
I'm not a felon, but twice in my life I've faced felony charges; once for self-defense in an assault and the other for ticking off a rich guy who was buddies with the local city prosecutor (should have been a civil matter and was dropped).
So don't tell me it doesn't happen to good people. And I agree with the DOJ involvement point you are making, but that is all part of the BIGGER systemic issues. This is all part of the infighting, just open your eyes a little wider and you will see it.
I never said anything you implied there although I don't think you are being adversarial. Your point is well-taken although not necessarily enlightening as I agree with your stance here more than I disagree.
I'm simply stating that it's too early in this particular case to maintain that this was some sort of systemic event/crime by the police. That may be the only thing we disagree on from our last few posts.
When a civilian does something: they are wrong and need to go to jail.
When a cop does something: wait til all the facts come out.
I got two feelings on this:
#1 - I too want all the facts exposed but I'm rational and jaded enough to know that the facts the media presents will carry the message that the ruling class wants told to the stupid sheep.
#2 - Since when do facts matter to 40? I've seen so many arguments from him that were factless or that fly in the face of the facts that it has become mind numbing. AND 40 really is the average american so I'm not picking on him here. America is in the matrix, lol.
40 and others like him truly believe they are on the right side. The system has taught them that this stuff is okay and it's how things should be. BLM is just a bunch of "uppity" black activist. Again systemic.
didn't you call the BLM a terrorist organization is that oregon protest thread a while back?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
im trying to remember who started that thread. i hope it still exist.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
My understanding is that a homeless person called the cops saying there was an armed man in the parking lot. The homeless guy had been asking Alton for money, and Alton showed him the gun. Probably to get the guy to leave him alone. That's when he called 911.
When the cops arrived, it sounds like they knew there was a gun - or, at least, they had been informed of a gun.
In the video I'm posting, (and it is somewhat graphic, be forewarned) it appears to me that Alton is on the ground, on his back. 1 cop on top of him, the other cop with his knee across Alton's left arm. What the right arm is doing is impossible to see.
Suddenly, it seems both cops pull their guns. The one kneeling is easy to see - the other cop, it's tougher to see.
Then, the shots. Certainly appears that the cop on top did the shooting. Then, you see the other cop go up to Alton and immediately pull a gun out of the side pocket of Alton. (at least an eyewitness has said the cop pulled a gun out of Alton's pocket.)
What does all of this mean? I don't know. Was he sufficiently subdued? Possibly, hard to tell. Or, was he using his right hand in attempt to get his gun? Impossible to see.
It's really hard to tell what was happening, like really happening in detail. Was the guy trying to get at his gun? Did he threaten force on the cops? Why was he resisting arrest (you've got two cops above you with guns drawn, RELAX!)? And did the cop shoot by accident? I mean, did he think the guys gun was about to be drawn and then he fired in self defense?
The cop would have to be the stupidest person on the planet to murder an unarmed, nonthreatening black man with civilians taping the incident on their phones. I just don't buy it was intentional (not to say the cop should get off).
Like always, the truth lies someplace in the middle.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
-FBI Director James Comey confirmed on Thursday that some of Hillary Clinton's statements and explanations about her email server to the House Benghazi Committee last October were not true, as evidenced by the bureau's investigation into whether she mishandled classified information.
This would be a good video for everyone to watch.. It's staged, of course, but it gives just a bit of insight into what cops deal with, and how quickly things can escalate. They explain it fairly well.
The guys comment at the end: "I didn't understand how important compliance was. People need to comply with the officer for their own safety."
-FBI Director James Comey confirmed on Thursday that some of Hillary Clinton's statements and explanations about her email server to the House Benghazi Committee last October were not true, as evidenced by the bureau's investigation into whether she mishandled classified information.
Now you're talking about her email server. Not Benghazi.
-FBI Director James Comey confirmed on Thursday that some of Hillary Clinton's statements and explanations about her email server to the House Benghazi Committee last October were not true, as evidenced by the bureau's investigation into whether she mishandled classified information.
Now you're talking about her email server. Not Benghazi.
Read again about her lying during the Benghazi investigation. I didn't say it, the head of the FBI said it.
Benghazi =/= The Benghazi investigation. I thought you would know that.
I thought you could add 2 plus 2 and realize if she was caught lying during the Benghazi investigation, she was probably lying about all kinds of stuff.
That's one frame. I don't think taking one frame out of a video says much.
Did the suspect have a gun on him? Did he threaten the cops? Was he resisting arrest? Was he fighting the cops? If you're answering yes to all of those questions, why would you be surprised the cop fired his gun?
I don't think a cop can wait until a suspect pulls the gun and aims it before they pull the trigger. Now, that's not me saying a cop should be shooting first and asking questions later or specifically referring to this incident, but the cop can't wait around until a barrel of a gun is pointed at him.
Ultimately, this usually comes back to compliance with the officers request. Follow orders and you won't get shot (even if the officer is too trigger happy).
Something tells me the cop screwed up in this incident, probably by accident and anger. Like I said above, I'm not buying the cop did it on purpose. He knew he was being recorded and he knows what happens when a white cop shoots a black guy like this. For all intents and purposes, the cops life is ruined as well (not as bad as the suspects was obviously). You don't murder someone on camera knowing the storm that will be coming for you.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
The fact that two cops had this guy, and felt the need to still shoot says a lot about the people we are trusting to "protect" the community.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And of course you think so. The cops never do anything wrong. Ever.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Bro, this crap is blatant man. They had both his arms. Two cops can't subdue a suspect?
You telling me two big ass cops can't handle one dude? That's murder bro.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
That's one frame. I don't think taking one frame out of a video says much.
Did the suspect have a gun on him? Did he threaten the cops? Was he resisting arrest? Was he fighting the cops? If you're answering yes to all of those questions, why would you be surprised the cop fired his gun?
I don't think a cop can wait until a suspect pulls the gun and aims it before they pull the trigger. Now, that's not me saying a cop should be shooting first and asking questions later or specifically referring to this incident, but the cop can't wait around until a barrel of a gun is pointed at him.
Ultimately, this usually comes back to compliance with the officers request. Follow orders and you won't get shot (even if the officer is too trigger happy).
Something tells me the cop screwed up in this incident, probably by accident and anger. Like I said above, I'm not buying the cop did it on purpose. He knew he was being recorded and he knows what happens when a white cop shoots a black guy like this. For all intents and purposes, the cops life is ruined as well (not as bad as the suspects was obviously). You don't murder someone on camera knowing the storm that will be coming for you.
Well, normally I would agree that if you do what you're directed all will be well. However, the death of Mr. Castile in Minnesota says otherwise.
It is time to hold police officers accountable for each bullet that comes out of their gun.
The fact that two cops had this guy, and felt the need to still shoot says a lot about the people we are trusting to "protect" the community.
I just saw the video on the news. The guy was not 'pinned' to the point of being immobilized. He was still struggling against the officers. One of them yelled out gun, and one of the cops then pulled his weapon. They told the guy something like, 'hey bro, don't do it. I swear to god' before they shot him. After he was shot, it then looks like the cops pulled a gun from his pocket.
Once again, when people don't obey lawful orders from the police and lead the police to believe they will be harmed or shot, they will pull their weapons and shoot.
Benghazi =/= The Benghazi investigation. I thought you would know that.
I thought you could add 2 plus 2 and realize if she was caught lying during the Benghazi investigation, she was probably lying about all kinds of stuff.
But the multiple Benghazi investigations found she did not hinder the rescue team or the response time during the attack on the embassy like Republicans have been charging her with. Like you did.
Sorry, this is an injustice shooting. It's murder. Dude did not reach for his gun.
Defend this nonsense all you want. This is pathetic.
This is why black people riot. We got enough problems as it is dealing with our own internal issues, but we gotta deal with cops murdering us in the streets.
The go to excuse
"He's got a gun"
He reach for me gun"
"I'm scared for my life"
Two big ass cops can't subdue a suspect. Hell, why did the situation even come to thiA?
You got the guy in Minnesota who had a permit get popped inside the car.
So I ask the board because you dodge this question:
Who does blacks people call when it's the cops murdering us? The cops?
Now you understand why the black panthers existed.
Since the cops aren't interested in protecting black people, fine. We will protect ourselves from YOU.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Bro, this crap is blatant man. They had both his arms. Two cops can't subdue a suspect?
You telling me two big ass cops can't handle one dude? That's murder bro.
I haven't memorized the video, maybe they lost one of the arms after your screen capture. And again, I don't know what was said prior to the wrestling, from either side. And why was he resisting arrest again?
As for your other question, I've seen a lot smaller guys than the one in the video occupy two cops. Please, find me a 175 lb. guy that is decently strong and hopped up on adrenaline and I'll show you two cops struggling to contain him. Heck, I've seen little women keep two cops occupied as well. The guy in this video was big.
Like I said, the cop probably screwed up because I didn't see enough to tell me his life was in danger, but I wasn't in his shoes. I didn't hear how it started, I don't know what was really happening in that pile and I don't know the suspect either (He was a repeat criminal from what I've read). I can't tell you it was clear murder just as much as I can't tell you it was clear self-defense either (though it looks more like a mistake shooting).
Look, I'm cool with the BlackLiveMatter movement. Anything to raise awareness to injustice. However, I'd support it a lot more if they were also advising these kids to be more compliant with the officers. In some cases, I've heard this movement speak about fighting back even more. I've always said, fighting back only raises your chances of being a victim of police violence. You may find yourself with a jerk cop looking to injury a perp or just a scared cop trying to protect himself, in either case, the more you fight back the more likely you'll get hurt. Relax, you're getting arrested regardless. Why fight?
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Erik, have you seen the Minnesota vid? Wonder what your take is on that?
Which one is that? The guy in the passenger seat?
No. The woman who posted the aftermath of her boyfriend's shooting while he was dying on FB. He was following a police directive to produce documentation.
He apparently held a permit to carry and was conveying that as he was shot. His name was Philandro (sp?) Castile.
That's one frame. I don't think taking one frame out of a video says much.
Did the suspect have a gun on him? Did he threaten the cops? Was he resisting arrest? Was he fighting the cops? If you're answering yes to all of those questions, why would you be surprised the cop fired his gun?
I don't think a cop can wait until a suspect pulls the gun and aims it before they pull the trigger. Now, that's not me saying a cop should be shooting first and asking questions later or specifically referring to this incident, but the cop can't wait around until a barrel of a gun is pointed at him.
Ultimately, this usually comes back to compliance with the officers request. Follow orders and you won't get shot (even if the officer is too trigger happy).
Something tells me the cop screwed up in this incident, probably by accident and anger. Like I said above, I'm not buying the cop did it on purpose. He knew he was being recorded and he knows what happens when a white cop shoots a black guy like this. For all intents and purposes, the cops life is ruined as well (not as bad as the suspects was obviously). You don't murder someone on camera knowing the storm that will be coming for you.
Well, normally I would agree that if you do what you're directed all will be well. However, the death of Mr. Castile in Minnesota says otherwise.
It is time to hold police officers accountable for each bullet that comes out of their gun.
Comply with the lawful orders of a cop. Alton would be alive if he had. Now, I understand that if he had a prior felony conviction and was in possession of a gun, he would probably have gone to prison. He'd be alive.
The minnesota case. That's touchy/iffy. I listened to the girlfriend's story. Pulled over for a broken tail light. Put your hands up. Get your license, etc, and according to her, the guy started reaching for his back pocket while saying "officer, I have a firearm....."
Ever taken a ccw class? One of the first things they tell you is "if you ever get pulled over, or stopped in the street while carrying - the absolute FIRST thing you do is tell the officer "Officer, I have a license to carry a firearm, and I am carrying. What do you want me to do?"
If the first thing the cop asks you is "do you know why I pulled you over" You say "Officer, I have a license to carry a gun. What do you want me to do?" Hands on the wheel, or in the air.
You do not wait to tell them. (that's if you are carrying legally)
In fact, in Ohio, if you don't inform the officer right up front, you've broken the law.
It's for the cops safety, but more importantly, for your own safety.
Hey, there are going to be court cases in Alton's case, and in the MN. case. The MN case will, from my limited knowledge of the facts, probably result in a conviction of the cop.
With Alton? Who knows? I'm glad it was on video. But, the vid's I have seen could go either way in a trial.
And lastly, I'll say this: Neither of the 2 (Alton or the guy in MN. Philandro I think his name was?) should be dead.
Why should we be required to act like a slave and submit to a cop? Because of ego? So if you're gonna tell me to submit, how bout you tell these pigs to stop shooting us?
The cops haven't given anybody in the black community a reason to trust them, to support them, to defend them.
That's crap. The system isn't made for us. I posted this video of this incident where the cop rammed into this black guys car, jumped him, then started screaming that the black dude was reaching for his gun even though he had his hands up. He did what was told, and still got beaten up and arrested.
Cops aren't here to protect us. They are here to protect you. Who the system was made for.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Yet I'm suppose to believe any of you would fight the big government? Y'all act like slaves to small government. To the lowest forms of government.
Man y'all will never stand up to atyrannical government when you won't even stand up for fellow Americans being unjustly killed in the streets by the lowest form of authority.
I would never give me back to one person on this board. I'm liable to get back stabbed by any one of you.
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