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Well this should be interesting... Report: New Black Panthers to carry guns during RNC CLEVELAND - The New Black Panther Party plans to carry firearms while protesting during the Republican National Convention, if Ohio law deems it legal, according to a report by Reuters. Reuters says several other protest groups claim they also plan to carry firearms next week. "If it is an open state to carry, we will exercise our second amendment rights because there are other groups threatening to be there that are threatening to do harm to us," New Black Panther Party Chairman Hashim Nzinga told Reuters during a phone interview. The New Black Panther Party says it only plans to arm itself in self-defense, Reuters says. Ohio law permits open carry. Officials have already said citizens have a right to be lawfully armed outside the RNC's security zone. The secure perimeter wraps around Quicken Loans Arena, but the protest parade route stretches from the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge to E. 14th Street. http://www.wkyc.com/news/politics/rnc/reports-new-black-panthers-to-carry-guns-during-rnc/271795181 Reuters says several other protest groups claim they also plan to carry firearms next week. Would like a list of these groups. Funny how only the Black Panthers were pointed out directly in the wake of recent violence.
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Well, the guy who murdered the cops last week was a member of NBP. And their protest leader has gone on the record to tell people to shoot cops and run them over.
As far as other groups protesting I heard one was named Dump Trump. But I never heard of them before. I doubt they care about NBP.
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How is it the worst outlier when the leader is calling for a war on cops?
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Because people people with common sense won't follow crazy orders, no matter WHO issues them.
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Because people people with common sense won't follow crazy orders, no matter WHO issues them. Not necessarily true when mob mentality takes over
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I would guess they are bringing guns to fight with these people. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/pres...ican-conventionSeems the protests will be more interesting than the RNC itself. I cant imagine all the diverse groups of protesters marching in the same area.
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But I get the impression that such a story is better told when folks are in the mood to hear it. Thanks for making my point for me. I'm out of here. "Discretion is the better part of valor." See what I mean, Vers?
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That certainly is most excellent advice for the protestors as well.
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It's best to recognize that the NBP party is nothing like their predecessors and a reason why many OG members scoff at them. I got a chance to talk to Kathleen Cleaver for around 30 minutes when she came to OSU and what she and her peers have been espousing for decades now have been completely lost on the NBPP. To be frank, they care a bit too much about Bobby Hutton and Elvidge's story and not enough on their message.
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jc I just read this blog post from Scott Adams, and it nicely ties together some points that have been brought up on here regarding Trump, Clinton, and police/racial stuff. Scott Adams is the author of excellent Dilbert comic strip. He has also given some great insight on this election. He has taken a unique approach in that he has been on the record many times as saying that he does not like either candidate, but he focuses on persuasion skills, which heavily favor Trump. Some readers have mistakenly taken that as an endorsement for Trump, so he his official position is that he supports Hillary because it is dangerous to support Donald Trump in California (something that was later validated by the attacks on Trump supporters in San Jose although I cannot remember him mentioning that). Anyway, enough rambling from me. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147247313346/when-persuasion-turns-deadlySome of you watched with amusement as I endorsed Hillary Clinton for my personal safety. What you might not know is that I was completely serious. I was getting a lot of direct and indirect death threats for writing about Trump’s powers of persuasion, and I made all of that go away by endorsing Clinton. People don’t care why I am on their side. They only care that I am.
You might have found it funny that I endorsed Clinton for my personal safety. But it was only funny by coincidence. I did it for personal safety, and apparently it is working. Where I live, in California, it is not safe to be seen as supportive of anything Trump says or does. So I fixed that.
Again, I’m completely serious about the safety issue. Writing about Trump ended my speaking career, and has already reduced my income by about 40%, as far as I can tell. But I’m in less physical danger than I was.
If you didn’t believe me that I endorsed Clinton for my safety, perhaps the recent shooting of police officers changed your mind. That’s the sort of tragedy you expect to happen when Team Clinton frames the national debate as a race war.
Let me give you an example of how Clinton and her supporters in the media have pushed us to the brink of a race war. This article in the Washington Post tells us that although cops kill more whites than African-Americans, we still have a police racism problem because blacks are killed in greater proportion to their relative population. That’s all true, as far as I can tell.
But what got left out?
Well, for one thing, it doesn’t address the fact that most police shootings happen in high-crime areas (I assume). And high crime areas in the United States often have high concentrations of African-American citizens. If the police accidentally shoot someone in my neighborhood, the victim will almost certainly be white, Asian, or Indian, because that’s who lives here. But if police accidentally shoot someone in a predominantly African-American neighborhood with a high crime rate, the odds are high that it will be an African-American victim. Does that tell us anything about racism?
To be clear, racism exists. What we don’t know is how it plays out in every scenario. Cherry-picked data doesn’t tell us anything useful. But it probably does get cops killed.
You also have to ask yourself how the environment influences the amount of resistance one shows to a police officer. If you grow up in a tough neighborhood, where you’ve learned to use aggression to resist all forms of bullying and abuse, you might not surrender to police as passively as people raised in a less violent world. Statistics don’t capture that sort of difference, if there is any.
The backdrop to all of this racial tension is that Trump was winning the persuasion war by making citizens afraid of external threats from illegal immigrants and terrorists. That was a strong formula because people respond to fear.
But Clinton’s team – including social media and the liberal-leaning mainstream media – responded by defining Trump as a literal Hitler. A Hitler-like leader in your own country is even scarier than external threats. Persuasion-wise, it is a winning formula for Team Clinton, even though the case is built on confirmation bias, not fact. (Trump has never mentioned race in a negative way.)
So now we have a situation in which Team Clinton has scared citizens into thinking the threat to their lives is mostly domestic, coming from Trump, Trump supporters, and anyone who looks like them. People who are scared will act. And we see those actions now in terms of violence against police, violence against Trump supporters, and death threats to bloggers such as me. And we already have one attempted Trump assassination.
So far, Trump has showed a willingness to annihilate any professional politician that gets in the way. And he’s annihilated professional reporters and news organizations that got in his way. And he’s tough on non-citizens. But Trump hasn’t tried to turn American citizens against each other. Clinton has, and successfully so.
You can blame Trump for Trump University, and for his uncivil language. You can blame Trump for lots of stuff. But the police shootings and the recent uptick in domestic racial violence are mostly Clinton’s doings to win the election. And it is working. Unless Trump finds a way to counter Clinton’s racial persuasion, he will lose in November.
I expect Trump to go full-attack after the conventions. It would take the world’s greatest persuader to redefine Trump in a way that he can win the election. But as it turns out, Trump is probably the world’s greatest persuader. That’s why I predict he will win in a landslide. Unless someone kills him first.
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In my best Bill Mahar:
Do any of you realize how embarrassing this has been?
Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton. For the presidency. Wow.
Well done, America.
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None taken, that does about sum it up. Rather head scratching how we got here really.
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Well, for one thing, it doesn’t address the fact that most police shootings happen in high-crime areas (I assume).
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I don't say this to be smart, but because it's true: I have heard people say this about these organizations, like BLM, and others, that we ought not condemn them for their worst examples ..... yet it certainly seems like this is what has been happening with these groups regarding the police. There were 2 people who were shot and killed by police, in circumstances that absolutely look bad for those officers as of right now ...... but that should not condemn all police officers. It should not have the President calling police racists. (indirectly, of course, though mentions of Jim Crow laws at the funeral of the 5 murdered police officers were far from subtle or indirect) I wish that we could all take a step back, regroup, and then come together to make positive changes, without the vitriol and rhetoric that has poisoned much of the dialogue right now. There are many problems that need overcome in our society, many of which are far more important that the police. (IMHO, of course) Education, the breakdown of the family, drug abuse and addiction, unemployment, and so many more all contribute to the difficulties we see in today's society. Of course, those are much harder to deal with than just slapping a label on things, to placate people emotionally, while doing nothing to actually solve problems. I hope that we can, one day, learn to set aside labels and rhetoric, and just work together to actually help people and solve problems. Unfortunately, as the 2 political parties, and their most ardent supporters, move further and further apart, such cooperation seems unlikely. That's my $0.02 worth. (maybe more, maybe less)
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There are some really, really bad outliers in these organizations. I try to watch a lot of videos and you see stuff like this all the time (typically it is directed at police officers and not reporters): https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/vb.15704546335/10154441807861336/?type=2&theaterI believe that was the same night that police got ambushed all over the city e.g. with rocks, concrete blocks from overhead, a molotov cocktail, etc. There's another video out there, laced with profanity so I won't post it here, of BLM protesters or whatever getting in the face of Dallas police officers, either the night of or night after the massacre there, telling the line of police that ya'll [people] deserved it, [screw] the police, more [stuff] is coming, you get the idea. Just taunting and harrassing the police non-stop. This kind of stuff is happening all over the country. Pretty much anywhere these riots start, stuff like this happens. edit - fixed a couple typos
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That's a bunch of very stupid people.. The media is there, tell your side right?
No, let's berate the media... Brilliant
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That's a bunch of very stupid people.. The media is there, tell your side right?
No, let's berate the media... Brilliant Yeah, I don't get it either. I realize that Fox News is probably not their favorite news station, but it's ok for people and organizations to have different opinions. The reporter was not doing anything wrong. There is a longer, unedited or less edited video where that snippet I posted came from, and if anything the longer one makes the protesters look even worse. The news guy eventually had to walk over and seek refuge where the police were.
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I also saw a video of the police in fatigues AND riot gear in Baton Rouge begin bum rushing peaceful protesters on private property (Where the protesters and media were invited) and arresting them.
I also saw videos of protesters helping the police in locating the DPD Killer.
Look, we can find a bunch of incidents that don't paint either sides in good light. There's been a lot of hurt on both sides and a lot of ugliness. But can we focus on making it better? I guess we'll see.
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I am all for focusing on making things better. That has always been my main focus. We see things differently though. For example, I do not find blocking a bridge on a major highway for five hours (and only moving when an overwhelming police presence pushes them back.. see Memphis) to be reasonable or productive. I believe that is fiercely counterproductive to any reasonable goal.
Likewise, I see this anti-cop attitude as counterproductive and the unprovoked attacks on them despicable. Those are two of the things that I am trying to improve, and part of that is bringing awareness to people as I believe mainstream media only gives a small glimpse into what is actually happening.
I am not familiar with the protest in Baton Rouge that you are talking about. It does sound interesting in that the protesters were invited onto private property (?) and then driven back by police in riot gear. I will try to find some time later to look into it. But you are right that there is a lot of good done on both sides. I should do a better job of acknowledging that.
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So, protesters are allowed to carry guns, but Cleveland police are not allowed to hold shields because it is "too offensive."
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If you think the protesters are the only ones being strapped, you're fooling yourself. It's gonna be mainly conservatives supporting the RNC strapped up.
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Anyway, I can't believe trump picked the governor of Indiana for VP.
That religious freedom bill wasn't popular whatsoever, and helped cause a massive divides between the religious and non religious people.
Good luck with that. The only choice worse than him would've been Palin. Not a smart pick.
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The police are wearing shorts and polo shirts. They are not allowed to use shields to defend themselves against rocks, bricks, bottles, etc. Carrying a shield was said to be "too offensive."
It does not surprise me that you would not see how wrong this is.
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Then don't be surprised then. I really don't care.
Especially since I didn't say one word about the cops at the RNC.
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Anyway, I can't believe trump picked the governor of Indiana for VP. I had a feeling it was Pence the moment his name came up. Trump is weak on the religious support side (lots of #nevertrump folks there) so it's a play to drum up support from the GOPe. Typically presidents pick a VP candidate who shores up their biggest weakness, to make them more palatable in the general. You will usually see an inexperienced candidate pick an experienced VP and vice versa. We have seen this with Obama/Biden, Bush/Cheney, Clinton/Gore, and even failed candidates such as McCain/Palin.
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Anyway, I can't believe trump picked the governor of Indiana for VP.
That religious freedom bill wasn't popular whatsoever, and helped cause a massive divides between the religious and non religious people.
Good luck with that. The only choice worse than him would've been Palin. Not a smart pick. Hold that thought, Trump is holding off announcing Pence as his VP.. Pence flew into Newark and is held up in a hotel in NYC waiting for Trump to announce.. In the meantime, he has until Noon today to announce he's running for his current seat again.. I don't know why the hold up
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Good point gage.
I guess I'm wondering about the overall countries idea of religious freedom that he pulled off. Wasn't popular, even with some religious people.
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Uh oh. Wonder what's the hold up
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Anyway, I can't believe trump picked the governor of Indiana for VP.
That religious freedom bill wasn't popular whatsoever, and helped cause a massive divides between the religious and non religious people.
Good luck with that. The only choice worse than him would've been Palin. Not a smart pick. Hold that thought, Trump is holding off announcing Pence as his VP.. Pence flew into Newark and is held up in a hotel in NYC waiting for Trump to announce.. In the meantime, he has until Noon today to announce he's running for his current seat again.. I don't know why the hold up Trump said he will delay out of respect to those killed in the France terror attack.
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He didn't delay proclaiming he was right not even 30 minutes after the Orlando shooting. Why wait now?
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He didn't delay proclaiming he was right not even 30 minutes after the Orlando shooting. Why wait now? He probably realized it was poor form to point it out so quickly. He needs to take a more diplomatic approach in general these last few months before the election. Besides, most people know what is going on anyway. When these major attacks happen, there is little doubt on who is responsible.
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Maybe.
Right now what trump is doing that make any sense. It's random.
And that's not a good thing. I don't want a random president making random ass decisions.
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If nothing goes wrong then what's the big deal? I'm not sure hard shells are productive in these environments and do not increase the tension.
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Take a hike. Your one-sided commentary does more harm than good. Bottles, rocks, bricks, and moltov cocktails must help ease the tension. 
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Maybe.
Right now what trump is doing that make any sense. It's random.
And that's not a good thing. I don't want a random president making random ass decisions. I don't think it's random. I think we will see a generally more restrained and diplomatic Donald Trump in these next few months when it comes to social issues and such. He will probably save the attacks for Hillary. Speaking of random ass decisions and Hillary, it was many of her (and Obama's) random ass decisions in destabilizing the Middle East and Northern Africa that largely led to the ISIS that we see today. just something to think about.
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Trump did not make a big deal about it because of France but he just tweeted his pick is Pense.
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Has anyone on either side of these key debates--whether they be political, racial, or religious--considered that it might be counter-productive to assign all the blame to the other side and that perhaps we would all be better off if worked together to resolve our issues rather than widening the divide? Wow, that was a long-ass sentence. 
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Does anyone besides me think it is time to stop pussyfooting around about guns and poor people and jobs for the middle east and go wipe out these Muslim Radicals wherever they hide on the earth?
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