lol. your girl got caught and you're blaming the media?
"i wouldve gotten away with it too!! if it weren't for those meddling kids and their stupid dog!!!"
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Melania Trump’s professional biography says the wife of presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump began modeling at age 16, but she only began working full-time after obtaining a degree. She graduated “in design and architecture at University in Slovenia,” according to the bio as of Monday night:
MELANIA TRUMP It’s a good story, but it doesn’t appear to be true.
Melania Trump never earned a university degree in architecture ― she dropped out of college after her freshman year, according to her biographers. Still, she claims to have a degree from “university in Slovenia.”
making the plagiarism thing look more and more legit.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
And stealing people's speeches, as well as lying about her education.
But for posters like Cjrae, it's all good. Cause those are the types of values needed in the White House.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I think I singled you out because we go way back and , as I stated , my respect ( weather we agree or not , lol ) ..So let restate my Opinion ; that we ALL need to be careful when casting a large net ! .. As I have said many a tome " We are living in very dangerous ans Historical Times " .. I guess there seems to be a thin line separating Nationalism and Patriotism and a Grand Canyon between Left and Right in the County right now .. I get real nervous when folks start judging other folks because of education or economic stat ice in the Country or system ..
We all view life through our own personal prism based on environment and life experiences .. We are after all an anomaly among Nations .. The fact that 320 million culturally diverse folks cohabitation from sea to shining sea should still amaze most people .. Sometimes we need to give us " ALL " a little credit and breathing room .
Well, there's just no comments that I have that hasn't been stated before in the last several pages. Trump, hire better people man. You got the $. What a mess.
This is what the body of America has to select from? A crooked in liberal with a history of being crooked and just a flat out buffoon that sometimes, even as a die hard Republican, wonder how he got where he is today.
Forgive me for not remembering who said it, but I'll quote someone from this board:
"The best thing Trump has going for him is that he isn't Hillary. The best thing Hillary has going for her is she isn't Trump."
So, anyone now raised with values that state you will keep your word and pass those values on to your children is considered plagiarism? I guess any democrat that says, "god bless America" is just copying Republicans this year.
I think you are not paying attention. If you watch them side by side, they are almost identical, and in some spots, they are identical.
And your point is? If they were raised with the same values, how many different ways can you say it without a claim of plagiarism? Most people try to raise their kids to be honest, keep their word, and pass their values on to their kids. Quite honestly, if I was writing a speech to say those same ideas, it would probably be quite similar. This is just more ridiculous crap.
LOL,,, not only did she copy someone elses speech, but she copied Michelle Obama.. Insult to injury.. and of course, to republicans, it's no big deal, but I guarantee, if the roles were reversed you wouldn't feel that way.
Let's face it, someone on her speech writing staff (and I believe she has one) goofed up. what's worse, it's easy to check and if you think what you are writing sounds too familiar, be smart, find another way to say it...and there are plenty of ways..
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
I will say this; if Trump wins, his wife will be the best looking 1st Lady in US history.
She will also be the first 1st lady in US history to have her nude pictures on the internet.
It's not classy posing nude on camera. My mother has a name for woman like that....
Well come on, it's not like she was a porn star or something. She was a Model and frankly, a beautiful one. I mean BEAUTIFUL. Plenty of very well respected models have posed in various degrees of undress. Some of the best and most well known models have done so..
I don't hold that against her. It was her job.
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Agreed, my first job out of college was programming at a company that specialized in porn DVD sales. I'm sure some people would hold that against me, but sometimes we take the best job available. In an era where millenials are chided for staying at home into their 30s, I'm sure some people would chide me for making 32k a year and living on my own instead. Sometimes there's no pleasing people...
I will say this; if Trump wins, his wife will be the best looking 1st Lady in US history.
She will also be the first 1st lady in US history to have her nude pictures on the internet.
It's not classy posing nude on camera. My mother has a name for woman like that....
Well come on, it's not like she was a porn star or something. She was a Model and frankly, a beautiful one. I mean BEAUTIFUL. Plenty of very well respected models have posed in various degrees of undress. Some of the best and most well known models have done so..
I don't hold that against her. It was her job.
Just because it was her job to take of her clothes does not mean it's not a trashy job. Posing nude is no difference then stripping imo.
I have a problem with Christians believing it's ok and turning a blind eye when taking off her clothes is immoral. I would not have married my wife if I knew she took off her clothes for a living.
Also people will call Michelle Obama, trashy, manly and "many" other derogatory names but call Trump classy.
Harvard and Princeton alum > model who takes her clotehs
So, anyone now raised with values that state you will keep your word and pass those values on to your children is considered plagiarism? I guess any democrat that says, "god bless America" is just copying Republicans this year.
I think you are not paying attention. If you watch them side by side, they are almost identical, and in some spots, they are identical.
And your point is? If they were raised with the same values, how many different ways can you say it without a claim of plagiarism? Most people try to raise their kids to be honest, keep their word, and pass their values on to their kids. Quite honestly, if I was writing a speech to say those same ideas, it would probably be quite similar. This is just more ridiculous crap.
LOL,,, not only did she copy someone elses speech, but she copied Michelle Obama.. Insult to injury.. and of course, to republicans, it's no big deal, but I guarantee, if the roles were reversed you wouldn't feel that way.
Let's face it, someone on her speech writing staff (and I believe she has one) goofed up. what's worse, it's easy to check and if you think what you are writing sounds too familiar, be smart, find another way to say it...and there are plenty of ways..
And Mrs. O most likely copied all other first lady wannabes before her. This is a non story. Move on all ye blind faith libbys. Have a nice day!
The same as any other First Lady. Enough that she will be right in there with all the other classy First Ladies.
Melanie is already going in with cuts. I personally haven't seen that before. One thing I've noticed is nobody has ever trashed a First Lady like this before. I can go down the list, republican/democrat of First Ladies that are good.
But Melanie? Lol. Jeez man. Not looking too good, and she isn't even an actual First Lady yet.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
The more relevant question is, what has Michelle Obama accomplished in eight years as the first lady?
1. In 2010, she launched Let’s Move!, bringing together community leaders, educators, medical professionals, parents, and others in a nationwide effort to address the challenge of childhood obesity. Let’s Move! has an ambitious goal: to solve the epidemic of childhood obesity within a generation. Whether it’s providing healthier food in our schools, helping kids be more physically active, or urging companies to market healthier foods to our children, Let’s Move! is focused on giving parents the support they need to make healthier choices for their kids.
2. In 2010 she passed The School Lunch program with bipartisan support. The program provides free and reduced-price meals to more than 21 million low-income children, now requires districts to serve more fruit, vegetables, whole grains, lean protein and low-fat dairy products.
3. Walgreens, Supervalue, Walmart and several regional grocers announced a commitment to build or expand 1,500 stores in communities with limited or no access to healthy food. This initiative will create thousands of local jobs, and will provide access to fresh food to an estimated 9.5 million people who currently have limited access. In California alone, the Fresh Works Fund has committed 200 million dollars to this effort to increase access to healthy food.
4. Darden, the world’s largest full service restaurant company, which owns Olive Garden, Red Lobster and other chains, made a commitment to improve kids’ menus by offering a fruit or vegetable and low-fat milk with every meal. Darden will also reduce total calories and sodium by 20% across their menus over the next 10 years.
5. The First Lady launched MyPlate and MiPlato, an easy to understand icon to help parents make healthier choices for their families. More than 6,100 community groups and 100 national organizations and corporations have partnered with the USDA to give families across the country access to this important nutritional information.
6. The First Lady worked with the US Tennis grain products by $1 billion in 2011. Wal-Mart has also pledged to work with manufacturers to eliminate trans fats and remove 10% of the sugar and 25% of the sodium in the food they sell by 2015.
9. Through Chefs Move to School, 2,400 chefs and nearly 4,000 schools have signed up to work together, teaching kids about healthy eating and helping cafeteria staff prepare healthier meals.
10. The country’s largest food manufacturers pledged to cut 1.5 trillion calories from the food they sell by 2015 through their Healthy Weight Commitment Foundation.
11. The American Beverage Association fulfilled their commitment to the First Lady to put clear calorie labels on the front of their products to give consumers better information.
12. Through her Let’s Move! Museums and Gardens, 597 participating institutions in all 50 states and the District of Columbia have signed up to offer active exhibits and healthy food choices.
13. In 2011, Mrs. Obama and Dr. Jill Biden came together to launch Joining Forces, a nationwide initiative calling all Americans to rally around service members, veterans, and their families and support them through wellness, education, and employment opportunities. Joining Forces works hand in hand with the public and private sector to ensure that service members, veterans, and their families have the tools they need to succeed throughout their lives.
14. In 2014, Mrs. Obama launched the Reach Higher Initiative, an effort to inspire young people across America to take charge of their future by completing their education past high school, whether at a professional training program, a community college, or a four-year college or university. Reach Higher aims to ensure that all students understand what they need to complete their education by working to expose students to college and career opportunities; helping them understand financial aid eligibility; encouraging academic planning and summer learning opportunities; and supporting high school counselors who do essential work to help students get into college.
15. In 2015, Mrs. Obama joined President Obama to launch Let Girls Learn, a U.S. government-wide initiative to help girls around the world go to school and stay in school. As part of this effort, Mrs. Obama is calling on countries across the globe to help educate and empower young women, and she is sharing the stories and struggles of these young women with young people here at home to inspire them to commit to their own education.
16. Michelle hosted a White House dinner to support mentoring programs for young girls, encouraging them to break the glass ceiling. “Once you see somebody on TV it looks like it’s easy, but the truth is we only know many of these women once they’ve become famous, once they’re in the news. Faith and love and hard work — that’s what got us through. You don’t need money or connections. The question is, do you let that fear stop you?”
Way to go Michelle!
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
The same as any other First Lady. Enough that she will be right in there with all the other classy First Ladies.
Melanie is already going in with cuts. I personally haven't seen that before. One thing I've noticed is nobody has ever trashed a First Lady like this before. I can go down the list, republican/democrat of First Ladies that are good.
But Melanie? Lol. Jeez man. Not looking too good, and she isn't even an actual First Lady yet.
I don't think I had ever mentioned Michelle Obama before. I just found it strange how big of a deal people are making over the fact that one of her speeches was similar to one MO previously made. Is that right? Who cares?
Thanks for the post. Have there been any positive results from those programs? Are obesity rates down? Are we as a society physically healthier than we were seven or eight years ago?
I admit these are somewhat difficult questions. And as people eat more and more processed junk and generally move around less and less, it would be hard for any one person to make changes that would lead to significant improvements.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
CLEVELAND — Melania Trump earned praise for her speech on Monday at the opening night of the Republican National Convention, but her remarks almost immediately came under scrutiny when striking similarities were discovered between her speech and one delivered by Michelle Obama at the Democratic convention in 2008.
The phrases in question came when Ms. Trump — who told NBC News earlier on Monday that she had written her speech herself — was discussing her upbringing in Slovenia and her parents.
Here are the relevant passages.
Ms. Trump, Monday night:
“From a young age, my parents impressed on me the values that you work hard for what you want in life, that your word is your bond and you do what you say and keep your promise, that you treat people with respect. They taught and showed me values and morals in their daily lives. That is a lesson that I continue to pass along to our son. And we need to pass those lessons on to the many generations to follow. Because we want our children in this nation to know that the only limit to your achievements is the strength of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Mrs. Obama, in her 2008 speech:
“Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them. And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children — and all children in this nation — to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”
Ms. Trump:
“I was born in Slovenia, a small, beautiful and then-Communist country in Central Europe. My sister, Ines, who is an incredible woman and a friend, and I were raised by my wonderful parents. My elegant and hard-working mother, Amalija, introduced me to fashion and beauty. My father, Viktor, instilled in me a passion for business and travel. Their integrity, compassion and intelligence reflects to this day on me and for my love of family and America.”
Mrs. Obama, in 2008:
“And I come here as a daughter — raised on the South Side of Chicago by a father who was a blue-collar city worker and a mother who stayed at home with my brother and me. My mother’s love has always been a sustaining force for our family, and one of my greatest joys is seeing her integrity, her compassion and her intelligence reflected in my own daughters.”
Jarrett Hill, a Twitter user whose biography describes him as an interior designer and journalist, apparently first noticed the resemblance between Ms. Trump’s speech and Mrs. Obama’s in 2008.
NEWS ANALYSIS It’s Donald Trump’s Convention. But the Inspiration? Nixon. JULY 18, 2016 But Ms. Trump said in an interview taped with Matt Lauer of NBC before her speech that she went over it just once in advance. “I wrote it with as little help as possible,” she said.
Thanks for the post. Have there been any positive results from those programs? Are obesity rates down? Are we as a society physically healthier than we were seven or eight years ago?
I admit these are somewhat difficult questions. And as people eat more and more processed junk and generally move around less and less, it would be hard for any one person to make changes that would lead to significant improvements.
You ask what she's accomplished. I replied with many. Now I'll ask you to look up the resulting stats for yourself. Maybe you'll learn something.
You know you guys have nothing good or positive to say about your own little Adolf Trump so you attack everyone else to distract the issue.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Wow!!!The left leaning media is really reaching with these plagiarism thing. Those were very general comments in the middle of a speech.
LMAO.......The Trump cover up is in full swing now and said they won't fire anyone. And obviously you haven't compared the speeches. We'll be bringing it up for a few more years. So get used to it.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Thanks for the post. Have there been any positive results from those programs? Are obesity rates down? Are we as a society physically healthier than we were seven or eight years ago?
I admit these are somewhat difficult questions. And as people eat more and more processed junk and generally move around less and less, it would be hard for any one person to make changes that would lead to significant improvements.
You ask what she's accomplished. I replied with many. Now I'll ask you to look up the resulting stats for yourself. Maybe you'll learn something.
You know you guys have nothing good or positive to say about your own little Adolf Trump so you attack everyone else to distract the issue.
Just putting into effect a bunch of government programs does not impress me. If those programs actually did what they were supposed to do, then that would be an accomplishment.
I don't have the data on hand right now to say whether or not those programs were a success, but judging from the defensiveness and anger in your post, I am guessing that they most likely did not bring about the desired results. I will look into it more when I have the time.
The same as any other First Lady. Enough that she will be right in there with all the other classy First Ladies.
Melanie is already going in with cuts. I personally haven't seen that before. One thing I've noticed is nobody has ever trashed a First Lady like this before. I can go down the list, republican/democrat of First Ladies that are good.
But Melanie? Lol. Jeez man. Not looking too good, and she isn't even an actual First Lady yet.
I don't think I had ever mentioned Michelle Obama before. I just found it strange how big of a deal people are making over the fact that one of her speeches was similar to one MO previously made. Is that right? Who cares?
you SHOULD care.
its a symptom of an overall problem. you got to look at the bigger picture here. which is why i don't think you understand why people are blasting her for this.
at this point, you can't even say 'similar'. she straight up jacked the speech, bro.
Lurker has his own reasons for not liking her. personally, i don't care that melanie posed nude. she's a model. i don't give a damn.
but that's personally. the BIG picture, however, is the problem.
I want to remind you, Haus, that i didn't create the standard. conservatives did. republicans did. THEY said that they are the party of christian conservative values. THEY said they are the party of personal responsibility, family values and religious beliefs.
i didn't say it. they did. they created the standard. so knowing THAT standard, when you have a potential FLOTUS jacking speeches from people, lying about her degree from slovenia that she never got, that's a problem.
we can say whatever, but the REALITY is that the first lady is an extension of the president. So you have all this baggage attached to a guy-who once again, they are actively advertising christian values in their campaign- who's been married three times, bragged about sleeping with other women while actively married, says derogatory things about women, and a host of other factors.
haus, your ideology set this standard. i didn't. conservatives did. So i care when i see people brag about being good christians and having strong family values and personal responsibility and integrity, defend this nonsense.
it LEGITIMATELY makes me question the morals and beliefs of the people defending this. So far, you haven't given me a reason to believe otherwise.
this is a symptom of an overall, bigger problem.
if you're gonna trash Clinton - and rightfully so- there's no way you can sit there, turn around, and defend these kinds of actions from the Trump family.
sorry bro, but it's hypocritical.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
This is what the body of America has to select from? A crooked in liberal with a history of being crooked and just a flat out buffoon that sometimes, even as a die hard Republican, wonder how he got where he is today.
Forgive me for not remembering who said it, but I'll quote someone from this board:
"The best thing Trump has going for him is that he isn't Hillary. The best thing Hillary has going for her is she isn't Trump."
i mean at least pay homage to the person who wrote it.
i get it, you can't give credit to a democrat at the RNC.
but be like "i know she's a democrat, but michelle said this the best:..."
pay homage, give some credit.
but she jacked the speech bro. she might as well had started the speech with "As a young black girl growing up in chicago..."
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Joe Biden, 1987: During the 1988 Presidential election, the then-presidential candidate was accused of mimicking a speech that British Labour Party Neil Kinnock delivered just four months prior.
Kinnock’s speech included the following lines:
Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? [Pointing to his wife in the audience:] Why is Glenys the first woman in her family in a thousand generations to be able to get to university? Was it because all our predecessors were thick?
While Biden said:
I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden is the first in his family ever to go to a university? [Pointing to his wife in the audience:] Why is it that my wife who is sitting out there in the audience is the first in her family to ever go to college? Is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright? Is it because I’m the first Biden in a thousand generations to get a college and a graduate degree that I was smarter than the rest?
The vice president was forced to withdraw from the presidential race after Maureen Dowd of the New York Times exposed his plagiarized speech. Allegations followed that Biden lifted parts of other speeches from Hubert Humphrey, Robert Kennedy, and JFK.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
see? this man had to drop out of a damn race because of what he did.
but this? we can't even so much as hold her accountable and give an apology?
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
There is one small difference in that Melania is not running for any public office. Here's something that I've alluded to before on here about running a business: a lot of people are bad at their jobs. Just finding someone who does what they are supposed to do, does a good job, and does it on time is very hard to find.
Clearly, whoever wrote Melania's speech did not vet it properly. They messed up. Do I think that is an overall reflection on the Trump family. Not really. Did I ever think Melania was going to have a major role in the government? Not really. I don't really care about her speech.
You have to realize that politics are dirty. Take all the stuff you wrote about the Trump family above. You could turn that around and research the Clinton family and uncover many disgusting accounts e.g. of Hillary silencing women who were on record as having been raped by Bill Clinton. Were those accounts true? I don't know. What I do know is that both sides will sling as much mud as they can get away with and I try to do my best to not be influenced by it.
see? this man had to drop out of a damn race because of what he did.
but this? we can't even so much as hold her accountable and give an apology?
Nope... the press, the Obama administration and the Hillary campaign will obviously be held responsible for their despicable act of pointing out that this was indeed plagiarism.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
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