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Funny ģif. Nobody talkin bout gibert and colmen getting into it?

Maybe because like me, I wasn't aware there was a scuffle. Do you have a link or anything?

Well there's actually a video on YouTube of it. Corey smoked Justin with a great move off the line and appeared he had some words to say to Justin, which appeared he didn't appreciate. Got in each others face and was broken up almost instantly by players and coach Hue.

Two young kids getting into it, isn't the first and won't be the last. Let me know when a punch or something is thrown.

It was nothing shouldnt have even made the news. Seriously it was a joke even being reported.

Looks like someone woke Justin Gilbert up. I see nothing bad.

There's a video of Pryor dusting Gilbert too. And it not a jump ball/matter of Pryor being too big or tall - Gilbert just played poorly. I'm sure now with the video, Hue will be asked about Gilbert and drilled about him/his attitude /his progress because he's not been required to talk much on Justin.

We get to see the names of the receivers where the ball is going to as well. I would love to get more context but that isn't an option.

This is a Cleveland Browns.com article. Read into it what you want. The link does have some video and nice pictures.

5 things we’ve learned after 5 days of Browns training camp
Posted 4 hours ago

Andrew Gribble
Senior Staff Writer
@Andrew_Gribble
Questions outnumber answers, but Cleveland continues to progress

While the Browns are resting and recovering from five action-packed days of training camp, we’re using the off day to reflect on everything we’ve seen.
Here are our five biggest takeaways from an eventful start to the 2016 season.
QB pecking order unresolved, but decision is near
Hue Jackson promised reporters they’d be the first to know when he made a decision at starting quarterback. They’re still waiting, but there’s been plenty of progress toward that all-important choice, which was promised to be made before the Aug. 12 preseason opener in Green Bay.
Both Robert Griffin III and Josh McCown have looked sharp throughout training camp. They’ve been tasked with a lot, too, as Jackson hoped to have the entire offense installed by Thursday’s practice.
Griffin has received the bulk of repetitions with the first-team offense. He’s developed a nice chemistry with rookie Corey Coleman, who has been open across the middle, in the flats and well down the field. McCown similarly has found rhythm with Terrelle Pryor.
“We hope to be able to do a lot of different things as we continue to move forward,” Jackson said. “We’re taking steps every day and really learning how to do what we think we need to be doing to win football games.”
It’s been physical
Blaring siren noise has been welcomed with loud cheers from both players and fans since the Browns donned pads Sunday.
The full-contact periods are unscripted, making it even more dramatic when the moment arrives. On Tuesday, Jackson hit the siren within the first 20 minutes because he thought the team hit a lull. They responded with a spirited session that first pitted the first-team offense against the second-team defense and then saw the first-team defense try to stop the second-team offense.
This won’t last forever, of course. At some point, the Browns will dial it back and allow the players to prepare their bodies for the upcoming season. For now, though, it’s been an entertaining aspect to this year’s camp for both fans and players.
“When you hear the sirens, you get an extra pump because it’s a live period, you finally get to tackle,” linebacker Christian Kirksey said. “That’s what we need to work on as a whole, just tackling guys to the ground.”

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2015 draft class set to have major roles
The first six picks from Cleveland’s 2015 draft class weren’t all able to make an impact as rookies, but their respective opportunities have grown immensely as they enter their second season.
First-round pick Danny Shelton started nearly every game last year and is poised to do the same in 2016. Fellow first-rounder Cameron Erving appears to have a permanent home at center after moving between a few spots as a rookie.
Second-round linebacker Nate Orchard and Xavier Cooper each started slow before registering promising finishes to their rookie seasons. Now, they’re both working with the first-team defense, as Orchard works on the opposite side from Paul Kruger at outside linebacker and Cooper looks to fill the shoes of Desmond Bryant at the five-technique on the defensive line.
“We both had a lot of great success in college. The next big thing is why they brought us here. We need to continue that here, especially with Danny,” Orchard said. “We want to do some great things up front and really set the tone and make a statement and be the great defense we know can be.”
Duke Johnson Jr., who gave the Browns offense a jolt last season, promises to have a major role alongside Isaiah Crowell in Cleveland’s backfield.
Ibraheim Campbell, who primarily saw the field on special teams last season, is assimilated himself well next to Jordan Poyer at safety, where the Browns are looking to replace two starters from last year’s squad.
Competitions outside QB could go down to wire
There’s a due date set at quarterback, but other positions with open competitions promise to play themselves out well into late August and early September.
On offense, intrigue surrounds the overall pecking order at wide receiver, where the Browns have 11 players vying for six or seven spots on the initial 53-man roster. Josh Gordon, who has been out with a quadriceps injury, can participate in the preseason whenever he’s healthy but wouldn’t be able to join the regular season roster until Week 5. Right tackle, where Alvin Bailey is competing with rookie Shon Coleman, and the No. 2 tight end spot, which features a number of young players vying to work alongside Gary Barnidge, could take a while to sort itself out.
The Browns are still working through players and rotations on the defensive line in the wake of Desmond Bryant’s season-ending injury. The same can be said in the defensive backfield, as a number of young players are receiving bigger opportunities as Joe Haden hits the final stages of his recovery from an ankle injury. The Browns continue to carry two kickers on the roster, too, as last year’s main man, Travis Coons, competes with Patrick Murray.
Promising depth at ILB
Assistant coach Johnny Holland likes what he’s seen from just about everyone at his position group, and that could make for some tough decisions at the start of next month.
Demario Davis and Christian Kirksey appear to have a hold on the top two spots. Behind them are reliable veterans Justin Tuggle and Tank Carder and rookies Dominique Alexander and Scooby Wright III. Last year, Cleveland kept four inside linebackers on its initial 53-man roster.
“Scooby and Dominique Alexander are great pickups for us,” Holland said. “Those two are very hard workers for one, and they are learning our defense and are athletic guys, physical guys that can run. Scooby is a guy that’s very instinctive. He had a lot of production in college, and it’s showing up on the practice field now. He has a natural knack to get to the ball. Dominque, he’s a guy that has speed and quickness and can run and change direction and a smart guy. They’re going to be great additions to what we’re trying to do here.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/5-things-we%E2%80%99ve-learned-after-5-days-of-Browns-training-camp/66129069-09ca-4bfa-bc67-1cd80b4e0960

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2016/8/4/...ing-josh-mccown



Cowboys News: Ezekiel Elliott Out With Hamstring, Cowboys Pursuing Josh McCown

By Michael Sisemore  @MrSisemore on Aug 4, 2016, 4:00a 25

Aaron Doster-USA TODAY Sports

The Cowboys approached this off-day looking for a potential replacement at backup quarterback. As a precaution, Ezekiel Elliott will be held out while he rehabs a sore hamstring.


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Cowboys Looking At Nick Foles, Also Considering Trade For Backup QB - OCC, Blogging The Boys
The Cowboys are looking at various options to replace Kellen Moore after his leg injury.


Nick Foles wouldn't cost the Cowboys anything in terms of trade capital, while the Browns and Buccaneers would almost certainly demand a king's ransom in a trade for Josh McCown or Mike Glennon.




Foles Among Several Options Cowboys Are Considering To Replace Moore - David Helman, Dallas Cowboys
The Cowboys don’t practice on Wednesday afternoon, but their front office is hard at work addressing its recent loss at the quarterback position.


"He’s had success against us for the Eagles, so we see him a lot," Jones said. "He’s got a big arm. Obviously, when you have a great offensive line like we have and we thing we’re going to have a very solid running game. The thing you worry about is people trying to suffocate you, and he’s proven he can get the ball down the field. He’s got a lot of attributes that fit well for us."

Dallas Cowboys having discussions with Nick Foles - Todd Archer, ESPN
A source told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Nick Foles now has a couple options, with one being Dallas, and a decision is likely Wednesday or Thursday.


"We have to un-turn every stone," Jones said. "We have teams that are obviously calling to let us know that they may have a guy, somebody available, and we have to uncover that. The No. 1 priority is to get it right. Expeditiously is No. 2. We want to get a guy in here sooner rather than later. I'm not one of those guys, 'Are you close? Will it get done by the end of the day?' We want to get it done as soon as we possibly can whether that's today, tomorrow or whenever it needs to get done."

But then this happened:








Browns' Josh McCown on the Cowboys' radar to replace Kellen Moore - Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com
Josh McCown is on the Cowboys' radar to replace backup quarterback Kellen Moore, and will be more in the mix if they don't sign free agent Nick Foles.


If the Cowboys traded for McCown, 37, they'd assume his salary, which is $4.375 million this season and $3.625 million next season.


Cowboys in market for veteran QB - Chris Wesseling, NFL.com
With Kellen Moore out with a broken ankle, the Cowboys are kicking the tires on a couple of proven starters to back up Tony Romo, and Wesseling sound almost euphoric about what Josh McCown could add to the Cowboys.


The Cowboys are kicking the tires on a couple of proven starters with the potential to operate as significant upgrades.

NFL Media's Mike Garafolo reported Wednesday that executive vice president Stephen Jones touched base with the agent for former Pro Bowl MVP Nick Foles, recently released by the Rams; however, Foles agreed to terms with the Chiefs on Wednesday night. Even better, the team is looking into a trade for relegated Browns veteran Josh McCown, per NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport.

Should Jones pull off a swap for a capable stand-in such McCown, the Cowboys will have a chance to enter the season with their strongest quarterback room of the Romo era.
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Foles signed with Chiefs

Wonder why Foles would sign w/the Chiefs rather than the Cowboys? Smith doesn't get hurt. Romo does. Dallas has a great OL. Seems odd to me.

I hope we don't trade McCown. We won't get much for him. Some low round draft choice that probably won't make the team. Blah...........

So he turned them and now he wants to turn them back? It's good that he cleans up after himself like that.

I would be against trading McCown.
It's probably more of when,not if RG3 gets injured.With so many young guys playing on O,it would be better served for their development to have a veteran running the plays.
As you say,we are not going to get alot for him,I believe his leadership far outweighs gaining a lower round pick.
Foles to KC,simple,Andy Reid.

Foles signed with the Chiefs because of Andy Reid, plain and simple.

I thought Foles had success under Chip Kelly in Philly?

He did, but he was drafted and prepared for that breakout season under Andy Reid.

j/c:


https://twitter.com/JasonColeBR/status/761190168703471616

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https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/760978694680621056

It's almost like there was a talk several weeks ago about this happening....

j/c

On the one hand, I like McCown and think he's good in the QB/Locker room. On the other hand, we're building for the future and McCown probably isn't the answer when we get there.

Ideal scenario is probably keeping him through camp and then trading him to Dallas right before the season starts. Might not be the best for this season's results, but probably the best for our roster going forward. We've got lots of young guys who could easily get poached if we try to sneak them to the practice squad.

When are "final" cuts?

but realistically what do we get for McCown? MAYBE a conditional 5th rounder?

or do they want his $ off the books

RG3 has outplayed McCown the last couple of practices so if you are gonna trade him, now is the time to do it. RG3 we felt this was a good move for both us and Josh blah blah blah.

FYI

Jason Cole recently came out and said his tweet was incorrect...it's not about his status is Cleveland that has his family away. It's that they've always lived in Charlotte and that where the kiddos go to school.

The bird in the hand is worth 100 in the bush.

Foles got a deal from the Chiefs. He might have received a contract from the 'Boys.

If he waited, there is no guarantee that the Chiefs wouldn't have turned elsewhere, and that the Cowboys wouldn't have done the same. In that case, Foles would have been out of luck.

Make Jerruh panic. I wouldnt trade McCown for anything lower than a 4th.

LOL..........okay.

Hey Vers, you know I am probably more intrigued by this team than any we have had in some time. Not that i have eternal optimism going or anything but I have to admit, my curiosity continues to grow with this group. Tonights scrimmage is probably gonna tell us a great deal about where we really are. Funny thing is, I am not as worried about QR, RB or receiver options as I am with this OL. I think QB, WR, TE and RB are really gonna make our passing attack very unique.


This is going to be the fastest team we have fielded probably since Butch was here. Hey you start thinking about RG3, Pryor, Coleman, Duke, Moore and possibly Gordon and that is some tremendous speed.

Defensively, its weird, we have a lot of quick burst guys but not a lot of fast guys. Dont have a lot of size. Group is gonna have to survive on getting off the snap quick and playing very smart, very instinctive defense.

I dont know if we can win 4 games but my curiosity is peaked with this group.

I'm glad you are excited, Mourg.

I'm not, but I won't criticize you for being excited. Heck, I am happy for you.

I keep saying 8-8, why won't you listen?

Browns defense on pace to start four second-year players
11:41 AM ET
Tony Grossi
ESPN Cleveland

Editor's note: Tony Grossi covers the Cleveland Browns for ESPN 850 WKNR.

Taking stock: The buzz at Browns camp has mostly come from new faces on offense – Hue Jackson, Robert Griffin III, Corey Coleman. And familiar ones like Josh Gordon, Terrelle Pryor, Isiah Crowell and Duke Johnson.

Through the first week, the defense has largely flown under radar.

The biggest stories have been defensive end Desmond Bryant missing the season with a pectoral muscle injury and rookie second-round pick Emmanuel Ogbah moving from outside linebacker to defensive end. Another position change has seen cornerback Pierre Desir move to safety.

Here is rundown of other storylines on the defense coordinated by Ray Horton:

Defensive line

1. The coaches are begging for second-year nose tackle Danny Shelton to find the stamina to be a force not only on first and second downs, but in some packages on third downs. New D-line coach Robert Nunn says, “Danny can be the one as much as anybody out here that can change how we play defense.” Shelton has responded with an all-business approach. “I want to make sure I’m doing everything right and I want to make those goals I set for myself, to be a Pro Bowler by the end of the year,” Shelton said.

2. Second-year end Xavier Cooper is hoping to fill Bryant’s shoes. “Regardless if Des was here or not, it’s time for me to step up and fill a big role on this defense. That’s what they drafted me for,” Cooper said.

3. Rookie Carl Nassib is getting more reps at defensive end as a result of the Bryant injury. He has impressed the coaches how he has caught up to the schemes after missing much of the OTA and minicamp season with an injury.

4. The stereotypical defensive end in a 3-4 alignment weighs over 300 pounds and has to be stout at the point of attack to grapple with 330-pound offensive tackles and control the run gaps. Largely because they are so young, the Browns’ ends are under-sized, and this will make stopping the run a severe challenge. Only John Hughes (320 pounds) fits the mold of the 3-4 end. Cooper is 293, Nassib 277, Ogbah 280. Armonty Bryant, who is listed as an end but is mostly an edge pass rusher when Horton shifts to a four-man front, is 263. Bryant will miss the first four games because of a league suspension and could face another.

Linebackers

5. DeMario Davis and Chris Kirksey are etched in stone as the inside linebackers. Davis figures to take over from departed Karlos Dansby as the defensive “quarterback,” who wears the helmet receiving communication from the coaches upstairs.

6. Second-year Nate Orchard is the most likely starter on the outside opposite Paul Kruger. He said he can supplement Kruger with a double-digit sack season. “I believe I can,” Orchard said. “With [Kruger’s] mentorship and [Ryan] Slowik as a coach and Ray Horton’s defense and the past success he’s had, I’m really excited because in this defense, the outside linebackers, is a crucial position.”

7. Former No. 6 overall pick Barkevious Mingo is actually behind 2015 practice squadder Cam Johnson in the practice rotation. Orchard said Johnson is competing for a starting job.

8. Rookie draft picks Joe Schobert and Scooby Wright appear to be earmarked for special teams in their first seasons. Schobert has worked exclusively on the outside and Wright exclusively on the inside.


Secondary

9. Joe Haden, who had ankle surgery in March and missed all the offseason camps, looks as if he’ll be cleared to practice very soon. Haden passed the conditioning run test and is totally engaged in every practice. He is on track to make good on his promise to be ready for the real season and may even get in a few exhibition games this summer.

10. In Haden’s absence, the first-team corners have been Tramon Williams and Justin Gilbert. Gilbert had a frustrating practice on Tuesday, but also has had some good days out there.

11. Jamar Taylor, the former second-round pick of the Dolphins obtained in a draft-day trade, has trended up. He has taken some first-team reps at cornerback and some at nickel back. K’Waun Williams clearly is the No. 1 back to cover the slot receiver, however.

12. Jordan Poyer and Ibraheim Campbell are holding down the starting safety spots. Backups Rahim Moore and rookie draft pick Derrick Kindred don’t appear close enough to unseat either starter.

http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland/post/...nd-year-players

That defense is terrible.

Just like was saying earlier, its a very intriguing group. A lot of guys with really good burst in that front 7. Inside backers scare the hell out of me though lol.

"3. Rookie Carl Nassib is getting more reps at defensive end as a result of the Bryant injury. He has impressed the coaches how he has caught up to the schemes after missing much of the OTA and minicamp season with an injury."

I love it. The overachiever is overachieving. However all he's playing against are underachievers.

Figured Schobert and Wright would be STs only players. I actually doubt Scooby makes the 53 roster

Agree. McCown has value to this team. If someone really overpays for him then I would deal him, but otherwise I don't.

I have a feeling that is why we are hearing the offense looks so good.

The Defense sucked ass last year with Bryant, Whinter and Dansby. Give these kids a chance to show what they can do. I dont think we have had a front 7 with this kind of get off snap since the early 90s. Doesnt mean they are gonna know where to go, but again, its an interesting group that I am frankly curious to see how they work. If shelton can hold the middle, you can get away with 4 tweeners flanking him.

It's like a full squad of practice squad players

as herm edwards just said on espn, its a glorified expansion team

O need precision. D can be pretty good with speed and attitude.

Exerting one's will is far easier for a defensive player.

I think he signed with the Chiefs due to his familiarity with Andy. His confidence is likely shaken and he wants a little breather before the pressure of starting again.... just a thought...

I agree I don't want us to trade McCown especially with RG3's injury history. However, if we were offered a quality YOUNG player or a 3rd round pick.... then I might be on board. Obviously we wouldn't get a stud starter but a young prospect with some upside might be worth it. Not like we're going to set the league on fire this year anyway. Still, unless they made an offer that was interesting I'd pass and keep McCown. I think he's good to have around RG3 and or whatever young QB we end up with in the long term... He's a professional with all that entails. He is a good example of putting in the work and how to BE a pro.

Speaking of RG3, I really hope he can get it turned around and become a quality pocket passer. I saw a pass he made the other day and it surprised me. Deep ball and he looked like he wasn't even throwing hard. Very smooth. Now that doesn't make him an NFL QB, but his arm strength is certainly up to snuff.... If Hue can get his head in the game we might have our guy.... MAYBE.

RGIII has always thrown a pretty deep ball. His problem has been reading defenses and coverages, plus some issues w/attitude.