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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
I keep hearing all about what Trump is...

A child, a buffoon, a narcissist, a businessman, a clown, a bigot, a racist, bankrupt 6 times, bankrupt 4 times, a great man, a huge man, a winner, a loser, a guy with small hands, a male chauvinist pig, not a racist, good to women, a billionaire, broke, a credit risk, a great investment, a con man, a huckster, a russian puppet, a decent man, god fearing and religious, not religious at all...

I'm really hearing so much that it becomes hard to filter and the one thing I'm not hearing is ANYTHING that makes me think he's Presidential Material.

Hillary on the other hand is like the fourth string quarterback at the end of the Browns losing season. Nobody wants to see her in the game but she can fill the spot better than the mascot, with a little less controversy after the fact.

This is the first time I've ever heard an analogy with a 68 year old woman being an NFL quarterback, but I'll go with it:

Hillary is like the backup quarterback. She was the greatly hyped first round pick. The owner wants her to play. The most vocal fans want her to play. However, the coaches can plainly see that she is not very good. The players hate her, because she is entitled and has special rules made for her. She doesn't come out and work hard, nor does she make any effort to soothe things over with the media.

The next year, she finagles the starting job by working with the owner to have the starting quarterback traded. The players who were most loyal to the previous quarterback were also either traded or outright cut. Hillary struggles mightily in her new role, and ends up having more controversies (dirty plays, throwing teammates under the bus) than wins. The owner eventually realizes his mistake and a new quarterback is brought in, but not until he already fired the previous regime who wanted nothing to do with her in the first place.

Another team signs her as a backup and later in her career, there is a strong case that she bet against her new team. She avoids an outright ban and prosecution as she is able to destroy enough evidence and her family buys off the key witnesses. However, it is obvious what happened, and she is blackballed from the league. The end.

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Heads roll at DNC: 3 top officials out after email hack

The Democratic National Committee’s CEO and two other top officials have resigned in the wake of the leaked email controversy that marred the start of the party’s convention last week – in the latest shake-up at party headquarters.

According to a DNC statement, CEO Amy Dacey; chief finance officer Brad Marshall; and communications director Luis Miranda left their jobs on Tuesday.

The resignations mark the latest fallout from the email scandal that forced Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz to step down on the eve of the Philadelphia convention. Those hacked emails exposed what appeared to be a pro-Hillary Clinton bias among top officials who at times disparaged primary rival Bernie Sanders.

Marshall had written the most explosive email, questioning Sanders' Jewish faith and suggesting he could be portrayed as an atheist.

He had written: “… He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/...email-hack.html

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Not the economy, not manufacturing, not terrorism, not how to get people off of welfare, not the Supreme Court, not the crumbling infrastructure.... A bunch of emotional social issues


I don't think you sound like a jerk. In fact, I think that you hit the nail right on the head. The candidates are using emotional topics to build their platform. I agree w/you that the issues you noted, such as the economy, manufacturing, employment, etc are huge and I don't hear anyone talking about them.

Hell, most of the time, all I hear is one side telling us how evil the other side is. It's bizarre!

Btw-----------I don't give a lot of compliments on here, but I think in terms of being fair, open-minded, seeing both sides of an issue, etc..........you are one of--if not the best--posters on all of these social and political issues.

My endorsement of you will probably knock you down a few notches in the public opinion poll for DawgTalkers. Sorry about that, man. LOL

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Since when did you brown nose?


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You know me, Swish. Always trying to get on people's good side.

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So you can drop the hammer later on.

Savage life.


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Sorry man.........DC is a good poster on this forum. His football sucks, but that's another story. rofl

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Nobody said he wasn't a good poster.

I just took issue with that specific post. As if those don't matter.

It absolutely does.


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Yup, whoever put together that list needs to add the economy, debt, terrorism right at the top of the list. Those things are far more important than social issues to me. If you don't have an economy or you're country is not safe, you won't even have the opportunity to have time to care about social issues.

I want to see the differences between Trump and Hillary on how they will handle the economy differently. Might be hard to compile this list since I haven't seen any ideas from either candidate on it.

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We aren't safe?

Can you run the numbers on how many Americans die by the hands of other Americans compared to the number of Americans who have died from terrorist?

I'll wait.

Also, if you would please post the level of violence in this country, a time period, that would be great, too.

Cause the stats ain't adding up with the rhetoric.

But I forgot, newt said yall go by feelings over facts.

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I just read a recent blog post by Scott Adams that expands on his previous claim that experience, while helpful, is often overrated. It also goes into some detail about how being President of the United States is a unique job in that there really isn't any job that perfectly prepares someone for it.

It has some similarities to being a head coach in the NFL, quite frankly. No other job in the NFL is quite like it. Many, probably most NFL head coaches got that job due to their previous success as a coordinator. That experience as a coordinator only covers a small amount of responsibilities that a head coach has to take care of. Many head coaches are only heavily involved in one phase of the game, and some in a limited capacity at that. That says nothing about dealing with the owner, front office, media, fans, scheduling practices, addressing the team, taking care of distractions, managing the game situation, and the hundred other things that comes up on a head coaches plate.

Anyway, there are many parallels with the presidency. Take a read for yourself.
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/148197490846/the-inexperienced-voter

Cliffs:

- Best case scenario is you get a president with some partially relevant experience

- Many of the most important decisions a president has to make is similar to what any good CEO could do

- Nobody has ever voted for Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump before, we do not know the outcomes of their potential presidencies, and therefore we the voters are inexperienced ourselves

- We are especially inexperienced because most of us don't understand, in any meaningful way, some of the policies that they differ on. Example: most people do not know much about trade deals (putting it mildly) and wouldn't be able to explain it on here without researching their answer first. We know even less about who would negotiate better trade deals for our country.

- If you say that, as a voter, you do not need to know these things and that you can pick the best candidate due to their skill and political philosophy, you are saying that you can do what an intelligent but inexperienced candidate can't do in regards to picking the best advisors for a given issue. It's a logical inconsistency.

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That's a good point.

But you know what we can accurately pick?

Character. Persona. Because policy aside, that's what they are also selling to the American people.


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We aren't safe?

Yeah, I never said we weren't safe. That's a leap you made there. In order to continue to be safe I feel like certain measures need to be taken. You can't be reactionary but you need to be proactive in preventing potential attacks. Whatever we're doing now in terms of immigration vetting, I would increase it so more screening is done to avoid possible foreign terrorists from slipping into the US. There needs to be some kind of adjustment to what we currently have. If you're not a terrorist or don't have a very dangerous background, then you should be granted entrance to the US. If you want to become a citizen then you must go through a natural citizenship process as expected.

Can you run the numbers on how many Americans die by the hands of other Americans compared to the number of Americans who have died from terrorist?

Your parameters aren't clear enough. What is your definition of a terrorist? Does this include American\domestic terrorism versus foreign terrorism?

I'll wait.

Also, if you would please post the level of violence in this country, a time period, that would be great, too. Here is your violence statistics from 1960-2013.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/427...arles-c-w-cooke


Not sure what you're point is. So, you're saying we don't need to worry about violent crime anymore?

Cause the stats ain't adding up with the rhetoric.

But I forgot, newt said yall go by feelings over facts.

On the contrary this is the way I feel liberals judge most things on how they feel. Not once, one time have I ever heard someone from the democratic party during a campaign break down why their policies will work by economic fact and science. Maybe I haven't been alive long enough for this, I am not sure, but I would like someone to show me in math using theory, why something their proposing would work. If you know of some instance where this was done, I'd happily read it. The last person I ever saw break down certain policies using economics was Ross Perot, who I would have voted for in a heartbeat but was too young.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
That's a good point.

But you know what we can accurately pick?

Character. Persona. Because policy aside, that's what they are also selling to the American people.

Persona probably has more to do with how a candidate will make them feel than it does their actual performance on the job.... which is to say that it counts a lot in terms of the election.

We can't even agree on which candidate has the better character and persona is anyway. At best, people like one of the two main choices. Many do not like either.

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You literally mentioned safety in your post.

If you didn't mean it that way, then I straight up apologize.

But if you're saying that's a huge issue, then that's where we disagree.

I didn't say we don't have to worry about violent crime or terrorism.

But this idea that were somehow some wild Wild West isn't true.

Your immigration position is something I have argued for, so I hope you know we're actually good on that.

As far as your definition of terrorism, remember how I said I consider mass shootings to be terrorism?

Well just using how you worded your post, I'm talking Americans versus outside terrorist.

As in, how many murders do we have from American to American vs non American on American terrorism?

Hell, you can even include the Islamic terrorist if you choose. I think that counts, just going off of your wording of your post.

What I'm saying is we have waaaaayyy more issues with home grown violence than ISIS.

ISIS doesn't hold a candle to the crap we do to each other on a regular basis.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be addressed. Not at all. What I'm saying is I just don't put that as high of a priority as I do all of our domestic issues.

America first, right?

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That's a good point.

But you know what we can accurately pick?

Character. Persona. Because policy aside, that's what they are also selling to the American people.

Persona probably has more to do with how a candidate will make them feel than it does their actual performance on the job.... which is to say that it counts a lot in terms of the election.

We can't even agree on which candidate has the better character and persona is anyway. At best, people like one of the two main choices. Many do not like either.


I don't agree, Bro.

For example, many on the left like Mitt, as far as his character. I know I absolutely did. I liked Bush, as far as his character.

I didn't agree with their policies, but their character was something I never questioned. I didn't have to.

Character is already telling us a lot about who were choosing from.

We got two habitual liars right now. Major red flags galore.

But now, specifically trump. His character tells me he's gonna make relationship with Muslims around the world worse.

His character is telling me that he's gonna be buddy buddy with Putin.

His character is telling me that the worst world leaders respect him, yet leaders in the EU don't have much positive things to say, and a lot of negatives about him.

Combine that with what he says about NATO, and his character tells me he's gonna screw our relationships up with world leaders, especially when it comes to military.

Hilary's character is telling us that she'll look up everything on google before going to a campaign rally so that she can "relate" to people.

That's the fakest crap I've ever seen from a politician. We got a Meme going around right now on certain FB pages about how she looked up "young metro trust issues" before talking to the black community.

(If you don't know who young metro is, or don't listen to rap, you won't get it)

The character of a person tells us a lot about the relationships, or lack of relationships, they will have with certain demographics. .

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Seems to be an extremely shortsighted article. Just because the author doesn't know what the President does, as he thinks it's just "giving speeches, judging talent, leadership, etc." doesn't make it so. Again this is a man who thinks that "a smart civilian can learn any political topic in an hour under the tutelage of world experts.", which has proven not to be the case as Ben Carson and Donald Trump proved this year.

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He explained those points in great detail. I don't care to summarize-- anybody who is interested can read the posts themselves if they care to. I would say that he specifically wrote that nobody could learn any complicated topic in an hour, but a smart person could still make a good decision as president in that amount of time with world-class advice. Or something like that.

For what it's worth, I do think it is a bit oversimplified although that's not really a knock on Scott Adams. He has been brilliant this election cycle. There's just only so much you can write in a short to medium length blog post.

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It's all good, Swish. You know how I feel about this. Neither of these candidates are Mother Teresa, that's for sure. Maybe it's just best to leave it at that, save us both some time, ya know?

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I definitely feel you.

Besides, a lot of the action happens at the state and local levels, anyway.


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https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-blocks-release-trumps-video-testimony-235510482--election.html

Dunno why people are pissed in the comment section. Trump isn't president, yet. The judge has a responsibly to rule in favor of the lawyers because releasing the transcripts or video would only serve for political ads and would taint what is hopefully an unbiased jury.

However, this does make trump look stupid after his remarks about the judge being Mexican and being biased against him because of the wall.


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Wow... And he took it and kept it.


I heard on the news that it's a replica.


He said that guy who gave it to him was real. What do we really know.

Can't believe he kept it...


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Who cares? If I give something as a gift should I expect him to return it?

Anyway, this is what everyone should focus on...

This week and next the big, powerful guns are going to go after Trump and try to crush him. Dems, Republicans, Bankers, Wall Street and our President. If he can survive what is coming, he will become President.

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I been thinking about what we are witnessing with Trump...I've never seen anything like it...he looks like a candidate that does not want to win and only ran for President as some kind of stunt.

Some are seriously questioning whether Trump is fit to be President. Now we hear that some in the GOP would like to see Trump replaced.



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Nope.

He needs to survive the debates. How he does in the debates will determine that.


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Nope.

If the big guns are successful, he will not be around for the Debates.

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Good read, Mac.

Unfortunately, the GOP is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

If they want to put the final nail in the coffin of their party, then trying to replace him after the nomination has already been set will do that.

If they want a chance of survival, they have to ride with him now. They don't really have a choice, as far as the overall party is concerned.

They need to be focused on getting him ready to debate. If he blows it on the debate stage.....ugh.


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They won't be.

I dunno if trump is capable of saying anything worse than he already has, and he blew that crap off like it was nothing.

What's going to do him in is the American people after watching the debates. He has to show up.


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Who cares? If I give something as a gift should I expect him to return it?

Anyway, this is what everyone should focus on...

This week and next the big, powerful guns are going to go after Trump and try to crush him. Dems, Republicans, Bankers, Wall Street and our President. If he can survive what is coming, he will become President.



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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Who cares? If I give something as a gift should I expect him to return it?

Anyway, this is what everyone should focus on...

This week and next the big, powerful guns are going to go after Trump and try to crush him. Dems, Republicans, Bankers, Wall Street and our President. If he can survive what is coming, he will become President.


I recognize you are a party loyalist and I'm personally fine with that so don't take what I'm about to say as an insult.

But I think there comes a time when even the most loyal of Democrats or the most loyal of Republicans has to make a decision, do I vote the party line, or do I vote what's best for America.

If you are going down the Party line regardless of what's best for America, you aren't helping the country.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Who cares? If I give something as a gift should I expect him to return it?

Anyway, this is what everyone should focus on...

This week and next the big, powerful guns are going to go after Trump and try to crush him. Dems, Republicans, Bankers, Wall Street and our President. If he can survive what is coming, he will become President.


I recognize you are a party loyalist and I'm personally fine with that so don't take what I'm about to say as an insult.

But I think there comes a time when even the most loyal of Democrats or the most loyal of Republicans has to make a decision, do I vote the party line, or do I vote what's best for America.

If you are going down the Party line regardless of what's best for America, you aren't helping the country.





I support Republican ideals, I also support Donald Trump.
The two don't mix at times but that is where I stand.

Helping the Country? Are you blind to what this Nation is becoming? We need change and a new direction from someone who does not have his hands in the Country's pockets.

You support the crowd that has given us Political Correctness, you can't say that safe speech zones, the worst split between Races, Religion and Society as a whole since the Civil War? The massive National Debt they have doubled in 8 years?

You keep on helping this Nation down the hole it is digging thinking the entire time that this is best for the Country.

Good luck with that.

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You may want to address that to the excuse making progressive libs

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LOL..........y'all are out of control.

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You may want to address that to the excuse making progressive libs


As opposed to the obstructive conservatives?

Look, I'm not trying to embarrass any one, or even question party loyalty. I'm just saying, there comes a time when country is more important than party.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
there comes a time when country is more important than party.


And there comes a time when a Party and it's Leader can save the Country.

FDR- The Depression and WWII
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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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there comes a time when country is more important than party.


And there comes a time when a Party and it's Leader can save the Country.

FDR- The Depression and WWII
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come on PDR... which of these quotes can you see Trump ever saying?

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