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I find that distasteful and every bit of a problem that reflects on our political system.



Yeah.... it's like those fans who cheer when an opponent's player gets injured (or Tim Couch).


It's not hoping for someone to get hurt, it's hoping the bad guy gets caught.


It's supposed to be hard! If it wasn't hard, everyone would do it. The hard... is what makes it great!
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Trump is running against...

Hillary
Big Bankers
Wall Street
The Press
The President
The Republicans
The Democrats

So what possible chance does he have?

Americans have always loved the Underdog.

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You forgot to add the American people in that list.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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Just a general reply.

For some time people have been asking for a independant. Someone with no politcial background to step up and run. How many times have we heard that we need to clean out Washington DC? We need a third party!

Now we have one and people are scared.

Be bold folks, Hillary is the same old stale crap from the 80's. She doesn't care one bit about Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Mexicans, or poor white people back in Arkansas. She cares about her....period.

You want a change in American, vote Trump. Sometimes it takes a aho to call out the other aho's.


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Anybody see Trumps video endorsing McCain and Ryan?

It looked like it was painful for him to read that paper.


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I love it. They treat Trump like crap so he doesn't endorse them! HA! You don't want to support me, fine, I won't be a Republican anymore, up yours. HA!

Now a deal must have been struck so he is endorsing them.

How can you not love this fresh air in American Politics?

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What are you talking about?

Trump was damn near in a free fall. He probably begged the GOP for a deal so he could climb back up in the polls.

He needs them for unity, not the other way around.


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Imagine if leaks surface that Hillary, as Secretary of State, actively seeked to arm ISIS.


This is ridiculous but, I am sure her haters would love for something like that to come to light. Somehow I am sure they would also conveniently forget and or pardon Reagan, and the CIA for arming the Taliban and Al Qaeda during Afghanistan's war against the Soviets.

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Now we have one and people are scared.


And right they are, for being so.

He's independent, all right:

1. Independent of logic
2. Independent of solutions
3. Independent of the facts
4. Independent of knowledge of foreign affairs
5. Independent of sound fiscal policy (US defaulting on foreign debt? -You think 2007 was bad? This would effectively flat-line the entire world market in less than a week)
6. Independent of any understanding about how this country operates.
7. Independent of high-ranking military support for his Middle-east policies
8. Independent of understanding regarding the nuclear triad (didn't even know what it was, when asked in an interview)

I could go on, but I'm sure you get where I'm coming from.

Sometimes, the idea of a thing is better than the reality. This is one of those times, imo.

I'm all for an Independent. I'm dead-set against THIS Independent.


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How can you not love this fresh air in American Politics?


It sure is great as entertainment.
He's turned the entire political process into another junkazz reality TV show- because that's what he knows.


Best thing about entertainment, though: sooner or later, the show's over- and they roll credits.

As far as this dude's concerned, they can't get to that last reel soon enough.


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Yes he certainly doesn't fit the mold of the typical politician, telling you what you want to hear and making you comfortable.

We all know exactly who Trump is and we all have no clue who Hillary really is.

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And yet, knowing who trump really is says a lot about why a good portion of conservatives won't vote for him.

He's that scary.

Once again, great job finding the one person worse then the wicked witch of the west. You conservatives have truly outdone yourselves, this time.

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I'm starting to look into Johnson.

Never liked the idea of HRC as POTUS, and can't imagine a world in which Trump is anything but a TV sideshow on a channel I never watch.


"too many notes, not enough music-"

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Actually I would like to see a Third Party get some steam, it would be good for the Country. They don't have to win they just need to make a good show and surprise some folks.

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agreed.
100%


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Crap. Guess we are done then.

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Anyone know who Edward Mezvinsky is?

Not gong to link it. Anyone interested simply do a search or snope it.

Says a great deal about the Clinton family and the types of "establishment" connections to thieves they have.


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I'm voting for Tim Tebow! He might not be a super bowl MVP, but I think being president should suffice! thumbsup

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Could this REALLY be the average American voter?




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I noticed Johnson is doing well in the polls today. If the trend continues he might get to the debates. :-D


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Confirmation bias my friend.

Confirmation bias can turn intelligent folks into complete idiots.

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I have faith in him. What's the magic number? 15%?

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Yep 15. Today he is at 11-12. I think the townhall helped. :-)


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yup.

Go look up 'Dunning-Kruger effect."
There's a lot of it on display, these days.


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Almost thought about making a separate thread. However, if any poster or any relative, friend, etc. isn't sure how to actually vote, I beg you to check this channel out. These guys broke down how to vote for every single state. They talk about sample ballots, what you need in terms of ID, and when you can't vote.

https://youtu.be/8spm2Qh60U4

Just to restate, they don't say who you should vote, they just show you how to do it. It's a little dorky, but check out Texas.

https://youtu.be/BWas4N2d-0E

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Could be Clem.

Should I start posting vid's of Hillary supporters, or Obama supporters?

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Are you considered a supporter if you begrudgingly vote for one of them?

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Are you considered a supporter if you begrudgingly vote for one of them?


I'll keep saying this. If you live in a swing state vote Trump or Hillary. If you live in a red or blue state, vote Johnson or Stein.

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All of them are appropriate.... and all of them would be funny as ****.

People are the same, no matter what their political views might be.

Set them up like this, and they'll all act the same under the same circumstances.


So... throw'em up here, man. It could be good for morale. I mean, there's enough foolishness on both sides of politics for this thread to go into overtime.

We can all laugh together.

(I'm not being sarcastic or ironic at all. I'd personally love it.)


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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Are you considered a supporter if you begrudgingly vote for one of them?


Only in polls.
In a real conversation, you get to explain yourself.


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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Are you considered a supporter if you begrudgingly vote for one of them?


Only you're hair dresser knows for sure how you vote. So you're only a supporter if that's what you tell people.


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Originally Posted By: Tulsa

So you're only a supporter if that's what you tell people.


I like the Lympics so I am an athletic supporter. thumbsup

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Sometimes, people can be so stupid LOL

The worst part of this is that some that didn't see Kimmel explain what he was doing may have heard that stuff and now have a dim view of Clinton. Nothing new there, but if you are going to have a dim view of someone, just make sure it's for factual reasons.


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What really gets me about Trump is that the constant name calling wore thin to the point of i had enough. Liar, fat, loser, idiot, crooked, little and stupid are his favorite words. Between the insults and self idolation it is apparent that his ego is out of check. I should be no surprise that many just can't vote for him. I can't see any ethnic or religious segment of this country casting a vote for him. He may actually lose in Utah. Think about what it takes to make that happen.


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The problem with fringe parties is that they are fringe because of ideology. Libertarian or Green are not for me. What I would like is a America party that is square in the middle. Fiscal conservative, socially liberal and accepting of government that is necessary and sometimes needed and that can work. Richard Nixon passed the Clean Air and Water act. Reagan made changes to the clean water act to improve drinking water standards. That would never happen today.


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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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From your link...

"Our materials, materials we released are pristine," Assange said. "We have a tenure, perfect record of having never got it wrong in relation to the integrity that we release. There are no allegation, even from Debbie Wasserman Schultz or any of these people, that any of this material is not completely valid or true."
Assange did not confirm the source of the hack as Russia but instead said "We know the source of the material, everyone knows the source of what we published, the Democratic party."
"The source is Luis Miranda, the source is Wasserman Schultz," he said.

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Originally Posted By: RocketOptimist
Are you considered a supporter if you begrudgingly vote for one of them?


Voting for what we know to be evil in order to prevent the election of someone you also think is evil is supporting evil.

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Ok?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.


“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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