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Pryor
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Hawkins gets cut when Gordon comes back. Because he won't be healthy and we would rather not cut one of ours picks

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Originally Posted By: highoman
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Hawkins gets cut when Gordon comes back. Because he won't be healthy and we would rather not cut one of ours picks


I think Louis will start the season on the practice squad. I just haven't noticed him in the first two games, I think he didn't even play lastnight.

I think Gabriel or Hawkins will be the oddman out come week 5. And I think Moore won't make the team, as they know they won't have the luxury of having him come week 5 (unless they plan him as the 6th receiver right from the start)


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I think that Louis can make this team if he recovers quickly from his hammy, and continues to show that he can take Moore's spot on special teams.

I think that Gabriel is going to have a hard time making the team. He just is not showing up.

I think that our WR corps, right now, goes like this:

Coleman
Pryor
Gordon
Hawkins
Higgins
Payton
Louis
Moore
Gabriel
the rest ....

I think that we will keep either 6 or 7 WR. (depending on how many can help on special teams) I think that Payton and Louis can both help on teams.I think that the rise of so many rookies on teams will bump Moore off the roster.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
I think that Louis can make this team if he recovers quickly from his hammy, and continues to show that he can take Moore's spot on special teams.

I think that Gabriel is going to have a hard time making the team. He just is not showing up.

I think that our WR corps, right now, goes like this:

Coleman
Pryor
Gordon
Hawkins
Higgins
Payton
Louis
Moore
Gabriel
the rest ....

I think that we will keep either 6 or 7 WR. (depending on how many can help on special teams) I think that Payton and Louis can both help on teams.I think that the rise of so many rookies on teams will bump Moore off the roster.


I see the same but in this order

Gordon (when he comes back)
Pryor
Coleman
Higgans
Payton
Louis
Hawkins...

rest is cut or PS


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Most improved receiving corps:

2) Cleveland Browns


The Browns imported Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline to upgrade the receiver group last offseason, only to see the former spend the entire season in the doghouse and the latter fail to make plays as one of the league's least productive starters. To the surprise of no one, both veterans are gone, replaced by a four-pack of draft picks in Corey Coleman, Ricardo Louis, Jordan Payton and Rashard Higgins. Already drawing comparisons to Steve Smith, Coleman has been the picture of compact explosiveness in camp.

Coleman will soon have company in suspended game-breaker Josh Gordon, whose 117.6 receiving yards per game in a magical 2013 season were the sixth-most in NFL history. Converted quarterback Terrelle Pryor looms as an intriguing wild card after burning cornerbacks for deep balls in each of the Browns' first two preseason games. On pure physical gifts alone, Cleveland's top three receivers can hang with any group in the league. That sentence would have been unthinkable in January.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-leader-returns

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Originally Posted By: Vambo
Most improved receiving corps:

2) Cleveland Browns


The Browns imported Dwayne Bowe and Brian Hartline to upgrade the receiver group last offseason, only to see the former spend the entire season in the doghouse and the latter fail to make plays as one of the league's least productive starters. To the surprise of no one, both veterans are gone, replaced by a four-pack of draft picks in Corey Coleman, Ricardo Louis, Jordan Payton and Rashard Higgins. Already drawing comparisons to Steve Smith, Coleman has been the picture of compact explosiveness in camp.

Coleman will soon have company in suspended game-breaker Josh Gordon, whose 117.6 receiving yards per game in a magical 2013 season were the sixth-most in NFL history. Converted quarterback Terrelle Pryor looms as an intriguing wild card after burning cornerbacks for deep balls in each of the Browns' first two preseason games. On pure physical gifts alone, Cleveland's top three receivers can hang with any group in the league. That sentence would have been unthinkable in January.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-leader-returns


totally agree


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I do too. WIth Pryor, Coleman, and Gordon we have 3 legit threats that we didn't have last year.


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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and Bowe being gone of course smile


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Ugh. I was so disappointed in Bowe. I really liked him in KC, and thought that he would be a good signing for us a few year prior .... and I actually had real hopes that he would help this team last year ......

and ..... THUD.

Man, if a free agent can be a bust, he was a bust.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
Ugh. I was so disappointed in Bowe. I really liked him in KC, and thought that he would be a good signing for us a few year prior .... and I actually had real hopes that he would help this team last year ......

and ..... THUD.

Man, if a free agent can be a bust, he was a bust.


It was probably the worst FA signing I can recall ... he literally just stole money


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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j/c:

A question was asked about our best 5 WRs. My answer is that it is very hard to rank them now because for the most part, they are a bunch of unknowns who have inspire more questions than answers.

--Gordon is the most accomplished. But, do we get the version where Josh led the league in receiving yards or the version where he didn't know the plays, didn't run hard, dropped a lot of passes, or the version where he does something stupid and gets suspended again? Anyone who claims they KNOW the answer to that is blowing smoke up your butt.

--Coleman has speed. We've heard good things about him in the camps, bu they often don't even go full speed in the camps. He has a history of small tissue injuries. He has yet to play in a real NFL game. You can't say he will be good or bad.

--Pryor has dazzled two weeks in a row, but I haven't seen him running most of the routes in the route tree. He runs deep very well and I think he had one comeback route. We can't say if he'll be good or is just a one-trick pony. Too early.

--Hawkins has the most experience, but he played scared after he was hurt last year. He was a backup in Cin-city. I don't know if he'll even make the team.

--Gabriel had a good rookie year under Shanny. He looked like crap last year and played even more scared than Hawkins. He dropped a ton of balls. He'll probably get cut.

--Higgins. I liked him coming out of college and even pimped him before we drafted him. He looks pretty good thus far, but again, it's too early to tell.

--Payton is a polished WR for a young guy, but lacks true speed. I wonder if he'll make the team? Probably PS.

--Lewis? I think that is his name. He hasn't been doing so great in camps as he continues to struggle w/catching the ball.

--Moore is a good special teams player. But really......he's just a "meh" guy.

The group has some potential, but it's too early to be ranking them and it's way too early to be proclaiming them as this or that.

There is one more thing to consider. Thus far, RGIII has been making one read. The routes are the safe routes. Deep sideline passes, a few drag routes outside the hashes, screens, etc. He has not been throwing intermediate routes between the hashes. He has not been going through his progressions. That really limits what an offense can do and impacts the play of the WRs tremendously. It's a wait and see on whether or not RGIII can go through his progressions and be able to use the full play book.

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X- Coleman (#1 WR), WR Gordon (#3) (when's he's 100% co-#1 or co-#2)

Z- Pryor (#2 WR), Higgins (#5 WR)

Slot- Hawkins (#4 WR)

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I'll look at it as a, (and I've thought it should be this way for the guys who've been on the Browns,) as a " show me your best single game over the last 2 years you played for us.

Over the last 32 games with playing time, I, well I know in my mind Hawkins has had some good games, I think Hawkins has been the most consistent in contributions, with the exception of if you're going to count the 2013 Josh Gordon.

And if you think Hawkins is about to be cut, I don't understand why you think that, because
1. Gordon is suspended the first 4 games, and during those 4, Hawkins is your #1 veteran receiver, going by experience, and contributions.

Benjamin isn't on the roster anymore.
Pryor still hasn't had a, even a Half season of major work
Gordon, well he's suspended
Coleman, is the 1st round pick, but he Is still starting his first NFL game.
Garbiel, he's been on the team, he's had contrbutions, but I don't think he's the #1 , over Hawkins, because looking at the last 32 games which they had a chance to get into..
Gabriel, I still hold the knock against him, that in his "best game" he had a big catch or two, which, the Browns didn't score on that drive, and the Browns lost the game.

The 3 late round picks all have potential. But I'm starting to believe that the NFL only gets 100-110 "real" players with "real" chance to become game changers.
As years are showing, "whomever" they take later than that winds up being marginaly effective.
As the rule, there are exceptions, like Rubin.

But you can't.,(or they shouldn't) "bank" on that, over a proven commodity like Hawkins.

So Hawkins, Gordon, Coleman, Pryor, and ... somebody else do something noticeable?...


Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Somethings up ---- we signed WR Josh Boyce when he was released by NE and Indy


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hmm


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I remember he failed in NE pretty badly


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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a quick bio of Boyce shows he was RG3's high school teammate


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted By: OrangeHelmet
Somethings up ---- we signed WR Josh Boyce when he was released by NE and Indy



Why does something have to be up? We have people coming and going like crazy. Wasn't that TE here for like, a day or two or something? Was it a TE? I don't remember, but we released them shortly after signing them.

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Dennis Parks, WR was waived/injured.

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Love the wiki page:

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He played high school football for the Copperas Cove Bulldawgs, with Robert Griffin III under center.


People just can't stop beating a dead horse. I don't think there's anything to see here except that we're leaving no stone unturned.

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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
Ugh. I was so disappointed in Bowe. I really liked him in KC, and thought that he would be a good signing for us a few year prior .... and I actually had real hopes that he would help this team last year ......

and ..... THUD.

Man, if a free agent can be a bust, he was a bust.


It was one hell of an E-Z paycheck for him.

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We signed another wide receiver today. I don't see anyway he makes the team.

Josh Boyce.

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We signed another wide receiver today. I don't see anyway he makes the team.

Josh Boyce.


he was quite underwhelming as a Patriot


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We signed another wide receiver today. I don't see anyway he makes the team.

Josh Boyce.


he was quite underwhelming as a Patriot


Weird that we would sign him. Most of our receivers are back this week.

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We had an open roster spot, we added a body.

Nothing more, nothing less.


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I'd have tried to add a corner, WR is one of the few places it looks like we have quality bodies.

I guess Boyce is more of a slot receiver and supposedly a "solid" blocker.


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I think sometimes, especially when the roster is this big, they'll bring a guy in just to get a close-up look at him for future consideration. At this point, with all the WRs we have now vying or a 53 man roster spot, I doubt they brought him in to compete for one of those 53.


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Josh Gordon working with Browns first stringers

By Conor Orr

We're finally back to hearing about Josh Gordon the football player, and life is good.

Cleveland Browns coach Hue Jackson is working the suspended wideout in with the first string in anticipation of Gordon's Week 5 return against the New England Patriots.

"It's important for him to be out there with those guys," Jackson told Cleveland.com. "It's important for him to be with the ones because I think he's going to be one of our better players. We have to put him out there and see what he is capable of doing."

Cornerback Joe Haden added: "He still looks the exact same and it's just crazy. He looks a little bigger. I don't know how that happened, but he's still out there running around, looking the same, running his routes, floating. It still looks effortless."

Natural ability is a funny thing, and to see Gordon come back from his downtime and directly into the Browns lineup should surprise us more than it will. While some will make the joke that there isn't much competition for Gordon to thwart on his way back to the top, Jackson has done a fine job of developing some targets for Robert Griffin III in his short time as head coach.

Terrelle Pryor is seventh in the preseason with 107 receiving yards while rookie Corey Coleman is set to make his preseason debut Friday against the Buccaneers.

While it's too early to call the projected trio a consistently threatening set of receivers, having a healthy and motivated Gordon in the fold instantly upgrades the team's profile and makes them harder to defend on paper. Jackson will take it.

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Multiple teams have reached out to the Browns to inquire about the availability of WR Josh Gordon, per league sources. A Browns team source said they are not looking to trade Gordon. Cleveland has tried to establish an environment in which Gordon could thrive, and many around league believe Hue Jackson would be the right coach for him. Nonetheless, it will be Interesting to see if any team is willing to part with enough to get the Browns interested.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/768064781378985984


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Omg you trade that kid the second you get!

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Omg you trade that kid the second you get!


Why? I mean, he could turn out to be another Chris Carter. Can you imagine how the Eagles felt when he became and All Pro?

He's under contract for next to nothing.


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Omg you trade that kid the second you get!


Why? I mean, he could turn out to be another Chris Carter. Can you imagine how the Eagles felt when he became and All Pro?

He's under contract for next to nothing.


I've answered that a million times, because you simply just cannot trust him.

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I think he finally understands what is at stake in terms of money he has seen go up in smoke. Yeah he's been given a lot of chances, but the reward greatly outweighs the risk.


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You'd have to be stupid to not want to trade Josh Gordon. You'd also have to be stupid to trade Josh Gordon.

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You'd have to be stupid to not want to trade Josh Gordon. You'd also have to be stupid to trade Josh Gordon.


Quoted for truth.

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You'd have to be stupid to not want to trade Josh Gordon. You'd also have to be stupid to trade Josh Gordon.


Quoted for truth.


+1

It also depends on what the teams are offering. Just because a team wants him doesn't mean they're offering something worth the risk of trading his potential value.


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At this point with Gordon I don't see the sense in trading him unless the offer is crazy.

Let's see how the this season goes. He is under contract for two years on the cheap.

Not going to get into the pot argument. They know the talent is there. Let's see how Gordon handles this year. If he plays great and is not a distraction there will be better options down the road.

Why trade him now? After this year they will know a lot more about him, his value, and whether or not to trade him.

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Yeah he's been given a lot of chances, but the reward greatly outweighs the risk.


And it always has. Hasn't stopped him so far....


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I don't envy the FO having to decide on this one. They're going to take heat from the fans either way.

The only thing I don't want to see is letting him go for nothing. If the Browns are going to trade him, I want a first. I'm far more comfortable letting him get another suspension and wasting away on his rookie contract than letting him out.


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Multiple teams have reached out to the Browns to inquire about the availability of WR Josh Gordon, per league sources. A Browns team source said they are not looking to trade Gordon. Cleveland has tried to establish an environment in which Gordon could thrive, and many around league believe Hue Jackson would be the right coach for him. Nonetheless, it will be Interesting to see if any team is willing to part with enough to get the Browns interested.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/768064781378985984


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