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Is that fair? Sounds like entitlement and perhaps that is one of the reasons why we have folks like Josh Gordon...

If that was true they would have dropped Tom Brady's suspension.

Is what fair? I'm not sure what you're referring to.


But the truth is, that most coaches aren't fair. Everyone is treated differently.


I think Jimmy Johnson said something like, "I treat all my players the same, differently"



How much patience and leniency we have for nonsense is based on your perceived value and potential.



We are going to give one guy more chances than another if he's a better player. Just the way it is.

You may embrace it, but not everyone has to embrace double standards. And again, entitlement is a huge reason why so many individuals have such a problem w/conforming to the rules.

Fair enough? But want do you want to do with him then?

I have this huge fear that he'll just go to the Ravens or Steelers and torch us.



That's my biggest fear with Josh. And it's why I want him for the next two years on the cheap (or at least get something for him as a RFA)

So you're saying SOME people can be OK with double standards but OTHERS won't be?









Just kidding.

I'm not saying to cut him or anything like that.

I just don't like double standards.

As a teacher/coach, I saw it all too often. Kids break the rules, but people look the other way because they have so much talent. It freaking starts in Middle School!!!! What are we teaching kids when there aren't any consequences for their actions, but there are consequences for others?

That's why I always just shake my head when a player like Gordon commits another blunder and the immediate reaction is: "What was he thinking?" "How can he be so stupid?" "He'll never learn." "What a selfish person."

I'm thinking...........that's exactly how we taught him to act.

Knowing that you are a teacher, I figured this was the case.

When I was a teacher and now as a manager I strictly believe in this in those settings. With a football team, I'm not sure this should be the case though.



I do believe expectations need to be set and made clear (that's with teaching and with managing (and many managers don't recognize this). There does have to be consequences when you don't follow the rules.

But everyone on the team can't be treated the same, because different people are more valuable than others. A pro-bowl quality WR on a rookie contract has a lot more potential value than Michael Bowie or whatever that guy's name is. Because there's plenty of Michael Bowies out there. There aren't many Josh Gordons.

To both your points (you and Vers), I think it will be really interesting how the tune changes if/when Gordon doesn't return to form (2 years off of football can do that to you). Once that perceived value starts to diminish, he'll be treated differently.

This is why I think the NFL threw us a bone with the Gordon reinstatement as a Thank You for us signing RG3 and saving him from falling into obscurity. RG3 sells merchandise - he's popular and flashy, and the NFL loves it some "popular & flashy that sells merchandise".

Brady is different, I think. Plus, I think that issues was being pushed by a number of owners more than the league itself.

Or the Brady lawsuit kept the NFL relevant through the offseason. Those that supported him only are more rabid in their support now. Those that were against are still against him. The Patriots aren't gonna miss the playoffs because Brady is missing for 4 weeks. Tom's probably closer to the end than to the beginning of his career. It wouldn't surprise me if behind the scenes Kraft was pushing for the suspension, so he can see what he has in Jimmy G. Tom's too competitive to sit otherwise.

/tinfoil hat

Except the rest of the AFC East has gotten better. AND they lost a first round pick. That first round pick is what really pisses off Kraft I'm sure

No way was Kraft pushing for the suspension. Sheesh!

So what? We re-sign him to a 12 long term deal all guaranteed so your fear is gone? He can keep getting suspended and keep screwing up and that is FINE as long as we never let him go somehwere else? Man how many guys do you want to keep on the roster to keep them from going elsewhere? Meathead can go anywhere he wants as far as I'm concerned. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Let someone else sign him to a huge deal and then get burned. A leopard doesn't change it's spots. Once he gets another big contract he will party hearty. Football is money to him. Period. He's never shown that it means anything other than a paycheck.

Kraft agreed to give up the pick if they didn't go after Brady. And then they went after Brady anyway. Then he got pissed.

That's right..... I forgot about that. That really pissed off New England Fans (the whole giving up the 1st round pick thing, i'm sure they'd rather just have Brady suspended)

I never said anything about re-signing him to anything. I'm saying, he's on a rookie contract. 1.1 million this year is what he's due.

Next year he is a RFA and we can tag him with whatever we want.


I do want to keep him on a tight leash, don't get me wrong at all. But I do think he's worth a 5th WR spot, and I don't think we should count on him for anything. He's had the best season any Browns WR has ever had ya know, and that was in only his 2nd season. We're talking, 1646 Rec Yards. 9 TDs. 86 receptions. in 14 games. He was the first receiver to have back to back 200 yard games. Plus, I'm showing on Wikipedia that he holds the record for yards in a two game stretch, three game stretch, and four game stretch (but that's wikipedia).

The only guy we've had with numbers like those was Braylon, and we got two players and a 3rd and 5th round pick for him

Different in the way that some owners can now persuade the NFL Commish to penalize rival teams and rival players without proof of any wrong doing.

when Josh gets back into football shape he'll be worth a # 1 or 2 WR spot...go Josh...just need to get rid of Gilber...

no we need to move Gilbert to Free Safety he just isnt a corner at this level.

Didn't they move Desir to safety? Maybe Gilbert's next

Josh Gordon doesn’t turn 26 until next April.

He had one of the best seasons ever for an NFL wide receiver 3 years ago when he was 23. And he did it with way below average quarterbacking.

But we all knew that.

The strict NFL is allowing him to play this season. The powers that be obviously think he’s a decent kid.

I bet he makes it this year.

Why would any Browns fan want different?

There’s some really questionably posts in this thread.

I suppose you veterans know who the trolls are.

“In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory messages.”

Wishing Josh Gordon anything other than a tremendous career with the Browns is garbage.

That's the spirit! When you don't agree w/another's opinion, call him names.

How very brave!

Versatile Dog:

"...a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory messages.”

I think we have a winner.

"...often for their own amusement."

I will agree with this part.


That was sort of my point earlier. He's never done anything to show that he is some terrible individual. There's no moral issue with him. Like I said, the most dangerous thing he did was get a DWI where he blew .09. Something which I suspect plenty of people on this board at the age of 24 or 25 has probably done (driven with .09 not the breathalizer and pull over part).

Has he made stupid mistakes? Yes. Has he shown himself to be malicious? No. He's not a QB, he's not forced to be a leader or the face of the franchise.


I get that he's let a lot of people down, but I think we've gotta look forward. He's coming back this year, re-instated into the NFL. Must have passed enough drug tests for that. He'll be on a short leash, and I hope that he proves that he is capable of being a pro for the sake of our team.

We are a heckuva lot better with him than without him. He's on the team right now, I don't think we're looking to trade him, and I don't think we're going to cut him. If he looks terrible out there, let's let him go. But for now, I don't see how we can not root for this guy to be as good as he can be for the Cleveland Browns.

Heck, he was just about the only thing that made 2013 exciting.......

I don't wish him any bad ill at all. I really hope he does good for a decent trade later.

If he does well and stays clean, why would you trade him??

because he's a scorpion?

He's a scorpion........ I've never heard that used to describe someone

A scorpion and a frog meet on the bank of a stream and the
scorpion asks the frog to carry him across on its back. The
frog asks, "How do I know you won't sting me?" The scorpion
says, "Because if I do, I will die too."

The frog is satisfied, and they set out, but in midstream,
the scorpion stings the frog. The frog feels the onset of
paralysis and starts to sink, knowing they both will drown,
but has just enough time to gasp "Why?"

Replies the scorpion: "Its my nature..."

Gotcha, so Gordon doesn't mean to screw up and hurt the team, he just does because it's in his nature.

Honestly, kind of a good analysis.

Fair enough Clevesteve, he's a scorpion

Interesting analogy, but I don't necessarily agree with it unless you amend it to have the scorpion sting only himself - Gordon doesn't have the power to drown us. He can only float us.

If he screws up again, what have we missed out on... some guy that missed out on taking the 6th or 7th WR spot? Big deal.

Someone said it in the game day thread, just give TP a bong and he's our new Gordon. We don't need Josh or the accompanying risks with it.

Given the analogy, yes, he's a scorpion. Which BTW, I never heard that one before either lol.

I don't know if I really believe it. I'm on DayQuill and it's the first thing that came to mind.

Josh Gordon had 87 receptions in 14 games in 2013. Do you really think Pryor will have 87 receptions in one season? All that we've seen from Pryor is he is a deep threat. There's a lot more to Josh Gordon than zooming by guys and catching a deep ball when he's open



I agree with Purp, he's only a scorpion if we let him be. I've always said, don't count on him, but he's at least worth a 5th or 6th receiver slot.

We start the season with 1) Coleman 2) Hawkins 3) Pryor 4) Higgins 5) Payton 6) Gabriel/Moore. And come week 5, we will ditch Gabriel or Moore.



Gordon has never been known to be a locker room cancer. Just a guy you couldn't depend on. So let's not depend on him....... Let's not make major roster decisions based on him.

Like Haden said, this is a what have you done for me lately league. There's no denying he shredded it up, but that was years ago now. But the TP was more comical. We've yet to see him do many crossing over the middle routes or anything.

I think with Gary and all the hype on Coleman smoking people in practice and the players we do have, we don't need Josh to be able to distribute the ball. That part wasn't comical.

As much as I have said that we should not count on Gordon ..... I admit to getting excited thinking about spreading the field wide, with Coleman, Pryor, Higgins, and Gordon.

Man, that is exciting to think about. It is also scary to me that i am even thinking that Gordon in the terms of being a part of this team again.

Well, hopefully he will keep his head out of his butt if we keep him.

It's not scary to me, at all.

If he doesn't screw up, he's here and helping us and we don't have to worry about him.
If he does screw up, he's gone, we replace his roster spot with someone else, and we don't have to worry about him.

Take your emotions out of it - it's Win-Win for us. We don't have a downside in it.