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Yes, like Gordon, the best receiver we've had since coming back. Gordon screws up, he gets suspended. Hence why he missed out on the final game of the year two years ago, keeping himself from accruing 1 more year toward the expiration of his rookie contract. He gets penalized just like Williams and anyone else. He's been held accountable, he's missed out on millions of dollars, and he still has two years left on a rookie contract (one year and an RFA year) There's still value there as an extremely talented player. I've never said that we should cut Williams either FYI. With Gordon, I think trading him or cutting him is letting him off easy. He'll play for us or no one at all. That's my theory. And I don't see what the team would gain by suspending Williams at this point. Why would the team be out to get him? I'm sure we'll get more details about what happened, but no matter what, you have to show up or you'll be suspended. Just like what happened to Gordon
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Well, Gordon has let the team down several times. He came back a couple of years ago and was disinterested. This year he showed up w/an injury and was overweight. Sure sounds like he is buying in. 
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And I don't see what the team would gain by suspending Williams at this point. Why would the team be out to get him? I'm sure we'll get more details about what happened, but no matter what, you have to show up or you'll be suspended. Just like what happened to Gordon
My guess is that it is a case of setting the example. The days of a player being full of themselves and doing what they please are gone - that kinda thing.
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Well, Gordon has let the team down several times. He came back a couple of years ago and was disinterested. This year he showed up w/an injury and was overweight. Sure sounds like he is buying in. He has shown up, has contact with the team, and has been given expectations. If he doesn't do what he's supposed to do, we should suspend him again
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My guess is that it is a case of setting the example.
The days of a player being full of themselves and doing what they please are gone - that kinda thing.
Oh i agree about setting an example. But I don't think they picked him and said, "we're going to go get K'Wan". I think it was more like, he screwed up, it's time to show the team that we mean business. Also, he needs to recognize that Jim O'Neil is gone. Ray Horton is here. From what I remember, Ray Horton is tough on his players. Williams never played for Horton and should know that Horton has no feelings for him one way or another. Doesn't matter what you did in the past, new boss, new person to impress. That's how it works.
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2 years ago K1 was top 2 or 3 slot corners in the league. Last year concussions just kept him off the field. We are a better team with this kid but this whole situation is a bit bizarre. It is a foot, is it concussion, is it retirement?
It does remind me of the Hillis situation.
now if he has his second opinion and they say something is wrong with his foot, how will the team's and fans response be then. The way the nfl has went about protecting the health of the players, it really makes me want to reserve judgement. I cant blame a player for being cautious when its an NFL doctor saying tape it up and walk it off.
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but honestly, what could we get for him if he was on the trade block? maybe a 6th rounder
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but honestly, what could we get for him if he was on the trade block? maybe a 6th rounder Best thing is to just let it play out.
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but honestly, what could we get for him if he was on the trade block? maybe a 6th rounder Best thing is to just let it play out. the team holds all of the leverage, so I agree
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Doesn't sound good. http://www.espn.com/espnradio/playPopup?id=17328724 Grossi is saying K'Waun wants out.
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My guess is that it is a case of setting the example.
The days of a player being full of themselves and doing what they please are gone - that kinda thing.
Oh i agree about setting an example. But I don't think they picked him and said, "we're going to go get K'Wan". I agree with that completely.... he's simply the first one to stir up crap under Hue, so the example is getting set harsh and fast - and crystal clear: Know your Role - you're just a player, and you do NOT make the rules.
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but honestly, what could we get for him if he was on the trade block? maybe a 6th rounder I'd call up Tampa and swap him out with CB Jonthan Banks
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Noone will trade for him, guys lol. He's had three concussions in less than a year. I don't even think Brodney Pool had that.
As of the info that's available up to this moment, I don't think we'll see Williams on the 53.
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Noone will trade for him, guys lol. He's had three concussions in less than a year. I don't even think Brodney Pool had that.
As of the info that's available up to this moment, I don't think we'll see Williams on the 53. I bet Jim O'Neill out in SF would be interested....that's not to say I want him traded. I don't.
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well, I'd imagine Hue will grant him his wish
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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but honestly, what could we get for him if he was on the trade block? maybe a 6th rounder I'd call up Tampa and swap him out with CB Jonthan Banks We probably will wind up doing some "your scrub for our problem child" kind of trade ..... unless he decides to either solve his own attitude problem, or becomes such a problem that the team suspends him for part of the regular season.
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j/c: #Browns K'Waun Williams was told today by a specialist at the Cleveland Clinic that he needs surgery to remove bone spurs in right foot
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Jeudy is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Tillman is flanked out wide to the right. Judkins and Ford are split in the backfield as Flacco takes the snap ... Here we go."
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If he needs surgery put his ass on IR and when he's off go from there. He's an undrafted FA. Not like he's a big time player. If it's a problem MOVE ON.
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Its pretty simple.... There is a process and protocol, and if the player goes off script calling his own shots without the engagement of team and team medical staff, he's going to get in big trouble real quick. End of story.
Hope things can have a happy ending, he's been a good player for us. But no special treatment.
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Yes, like Gordon, the best receiver we've had since coming back. Gordon screws up, he gets suspended. Hence why he missed out on the final game of the year two years ago, keeping himself from accruing 1 more year toward the expiration of his rookie contract. He gets penalized just like Williams and anyone else. He's been held accountable, he's missed out on millions of dollars, and he still has two years left on a rookie contract (one year and an RFA year) There's still value there as an extremely talented player. I've never said that we should cut Williams either FYI. With Gordon, I think trading him or cutting him is letting him off easy. He'll play for us or no one at all. That's my theory. And I don't see what the team would gain by suspending Williams at this point. Why would the team be out to get him? I'm sure we'll get more details about what happened, but no matter what, you have to show up or you'll be suspended. Just like what happened to Gordon One good season does not a HOF'er make. Meathead had ONE season. On the other hand this will be the FOURTH season he's had a suspension. Meathead has put us in the position where we can't re-sign him. So woo hoo we have him for 2 more years IF he keeps his head out of his Kooloo. Then he's gone. So we BETTER make DAMNED sure to never EVER count on him being here and we better find recievers that want to play and help this TEAM. Meathead has HURT the team over and over again. Every rep he takes sets the development of someone else back.
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j/c---------kinda/sorta:
I am always amazed when folks act like big business, corporations, pro sports teams, etc are so morally pure and that they would never stoop to underhanded practices.
Do people read? Do people understand the history of such businesses? Do people actually believe that large, money-making endeavors really give a rat's butt about doing the right thing?
Did you know if you say orange real slow...........it sounds just like gullible?
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So he is hurt. What's the excuse for not showing up to the team facility?
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No[u][/u] Idea what your point is. Clicked to read post as you replied to me .... Seems like you want to call me gullible for something. Not sure what. ..... As I said, its simple. If the player goes off script, not abide by team protocol, the players going to be read the riot act. . . it has nothing to do with teams "doing the right thing" ... In fact probably the opposite. Star player will get pref treatment, fringe player will get harsher treatment and possible it will be used to construct reason for termination.
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I don't see anyway Williams is on the team when the season starts. It is really unfortunate as we are bereft of talent and he has played very well when healthy (and has a cheap contract).
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No[u][/u] Idea what your point is. Clicked to read post as you replied to me .. Did you miss this?
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From what we know, it seems as if both parties are in the wrong.
Williams should have never skipped camp. The Browns should have trusted their played. Unfortunately this ends with the team losing a quality player for next to nothing.
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Which means you weren't just clicking.... you were responding to me in part. Hence my reply.
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Yes, I was. In part.
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From what we know, it seems as if both parties are in the wrong.
Williams should have never skipped camp. The Browns should have trusted their player. ^This Unfortunately this ends with the team losing a quality player for next to nothing. I'd rather hope both parties are smart enough to step back from the brink. Of course if K'Waun considers his health to be at serious risk the point could be moot.
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Once a Brown, always a question mark as to whether they will, "remain" a Brown.
Similar role to Davin Holley. And After Davin Holley left, they went and spent collateral draft pick on "what's his name, and then when What's his name wasn't all that they wanted, they parted and went and spent a top draft pick on Justin Gilbert.
It's not just 29 quarterbacks. Pick any position
Kicker, returner, Tight end, Fullback, any position on the line except Thomas', #1 pass rusher, nose tackle, any of the linebackers, #extra tweener DE/Lb , coverage linebacker, free safety, strong safety, #1rb, #2 rb.
But the thing is, is as long as the top keeps changing, there probably won't be a whachamacallit ,
like for instance whatever plan there might have been for the long term development of Ifay Ekpre Olomu, ... on and on.
Hope this works out well.
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I think it says as much about the team training staff and doctors as much as anything. They cleared a guy that is gonna need surgery and obviously told the coaching staff he is good to go.
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Hard to say...it's not imposible for one opinion to vary from another. There could also be a bit of rivalry between Cleveland Clinic and University Hospitals.
One doc see spurs but is of the opinion they pose no real issue. The other doc sees them and says in order for this guy to perform at 100% he should have them removed.
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There's also a "shake it off"culture where players are expected to play through pain, and the line between pain and injury is blurry sometimes.
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Not good. One old coaching observation when players bench themselves: You can decide when you sit; I decide when you play again. Thought he was a bright spot. This sounds like a bit spoiled or tantrum kinda.
Fix this. First man on the practice squad maybe. Don't want to lose talent, but you cannot function with a dozen of these incidents and individuals. I am asking myself
"During preseason?" I have little trust for faceless sources who seem to escalate the drama. How about the team?
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