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Bauer gets rocked, offense gone geez

Hey, look at the bright side.

Roberto Perez walked and hit a homer in three plate appearances.

At today's pace he'll finish the year with 35 homers and a .403 batting average.

Of course, at his season and career pace, he'll finish the year with one homer and a .100 batting average.

well so much for bauer being fixed, right now we have kluber and carrasco...thats it they need to fix this or we will be looking at 3rd place soon, i get losing a tight one, but to eek out a win and get stomped 2 straight games by the freaking A's...thats like losing to the browns. Seems like noone can hit lately, Napoli has been stuck on 29 like if he hits #30 he gets a fine or something. Plus we play texas 4 straight games...this could be ugly fast. I just saw Carlos Ruiz cleared waivers, not sure on the rules if we'd be able to add him or not to fix the catching woes. Ryan Howard has also cleared waivers

Thanks for posting this information. Admittedly, it does give me pause on my original take, but I still contend it's not a 'horrible idea' as you mentioned. As the win/loss record is pretty bad, that doesn't fully tell the story. What were the scores in some of those games (3-2, 2-1, 4-2) where having the Ace pitching would have offered a better outcome than the #4 pitcher. Or how was the pitcher's offensive overall run production in those loses or even non-decision when he left?

Still, I was surprised with the overall record, I cannot lie. I looked up another article and found this:


http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/how-mlb...html/?a=viewall

The record claims to not be as bad as yours, but it still isn't good.

Specifically, regarding pitcher numbers, I don't find that much difference...a one run differential and .67 ERA isn't that significant. That's not even one run per nine innings pitched. I would be interested in the innings pitched comparison, however.

Even more specifically, regarding the Indians, I still lean on Kluber on short rest over Bauer. Bauer is too erratic and can take a team out of a game in the first inning. At least with Kluber, you'd be in it most likely, even if the innings pitched weren't as high as the Game 1 start.

Not sure where to find it, but it would be interesting to see the overall record of the #4 pitcher starting in the post season, specifically game #4s.

quote by me several times:

"Terry Francona has a knack for having his team peaking in September."

Hopefully that holds true

Bauer didn't pitch great, but he wasn't that bad. In the A's 5 run 2nd inning, Bauer gave a triple that Hamilton said should have been caught at the wall by Chisenhall. A broken-bat bloop single brought home a 2nd run after the triple had scored, and two unearned runs scored when Carlos "Clank" Santana misjudged a simple, routine, little league pop up. Despite all that, Bauer dug deep, found his poise, and gave Tito 6-2/3 innings without another run scoring. That's progress, for him, and MLB stats say its a "quality start". Plus he saved the bullpen for what could be a tough weekend in Texas.

Completely agree.

Also remember though Tito was fired from Boston for blowing a 9 game lead down the stretch

I'd argue the players attitudes played into that. Luckily we don't run with a bunch of entitled prima donnas.

I'm not understanding how Tomlin hasn't been DFA yet, you can't tell me we don't have someone on the farm that can throw batting practice just as good. Guy just plain does not have a big league arm

Knee jerk reactions, much like in basketball, never work well.

sorry nothing knee jerk about tomlin, and also sorry to say, when you suck in basketball, you make changes as well. I won't even talk basketball because i'm positive i have alot more experience with it than just about any sport both as a player and a coach, and in no way is basketball relevant to baseball, I see you trying to get a jab at me because I speak honestly about everything i watch and if i'm not 100% rainbows and butterflies..oh its knee jerk.. get over it. I promise more people look at it my way than the everything is grand outlook. Keep thinking the Indians are ok and on the right path, and I'll be there to say I told you so at the end when we are outside looking in. There is nothing this team is doing well right now, they have either tuned out Tito, or he's not trying to make adjustments, either way they are in meltdown mode right now. you can't consistently give up multiple run innings and expect your offense to come back. Our outfielders absolutely blow defensively, we make alot of errors on defense as a team, we hit into way too many double plays at the worst time (looking at you kipnis/santana) and you have basically 1 starter in the rotation you don't have to be completely terrified every time they come up.

Granted, Texas is probably going to end up in the world series against the cubs, but we look like we don't even belong. Detroit has a cream puff schedule remaining and after tonight are only 4.5 out and we have 3 games left against texas while they play the twins, we could end this trip with a 1.5 game lead. So sorry if i'm not optimistic given how we've played the last 3 weeks. Something is really broken right now and if Tito don't figure it out, it'll look alot like 2011. Problem is there isnt just one thing. Defense has let pitching down, pitching has put tremendous pressure on the offense, and the offense is pressing and not generating runs like they have. I REALLY hope theres some help in sept. call ups, I'm wondering if Tito hasn't run some of these guys into the ground

You have also pretty much said the same thing about the Cavs. Throughout the regular season, you advocated trading just about everyone on the roster at some point.

and it got us a Championship.... .let him roll with it!

haha very true

As I said on July 1st



We have 36 games left to play. So like I said almost 2 months ago "Keep enjoying Tribe baseball"

Much needed win. Glad Kluber just shut them down. Detroit and KC aren't going away. Too bad they aren't playing themselves.

yeah it was a needed win ... and a nice game for kluber

yes we needed that, bad

Does it look like Bartolo Colon has gained a little weight to you?



He grew a beard too. And lost his tan.

Gary Sanchez just passed Naquin in WAR.

Actually it looks like he trimmed down.

Carrasco needs to sit for a while.

that went south fast

all our stud starters have hit the wall except kluber

ugh

Or they are just having bad luck all at once.

They were due for a few bad starts.

you just hope they can regain

Bad luck is lose 2-1 4-3 not giving up 5 runs off the jump, cant make it past the first inning, the only luck is KC and Det are losing also

Man, if we can only get quality starts for Kluber, we're in big trouble....

I'm sorry.

What part of, "Terry Francona has a knack for having his team peaking in September." are you guys not getting?

The Tribe is a little light in the superstar slugger category. But I believe Francona can compensate with what we got.

I haven't lost faith, but our starters, with the exception of Kluber, have had a pretty rough stretch lately. We just need to get six solid innings out of them. And, by solid I don't mean lights out scoreless. They just need to keep the game manageable.

The team is built to dominate if they can bring a lead into the 7th inning. But lately, our starters are giving up runs in the first inning, and our struggling offense is playing catch-up the rest of the way. Playing behind is changing their approach at the plate - they're not patient; everyone's trying to hit a 5-run homer. Maybe we should let Miller, Allen, and Shaw work the first 3-4 innings whenever Kluber isn't starting. Just kidding ... I think.

Totally agree with those two statements. I still wonder how much the staff is missing Gomes. I'm curious if they just don't have the same confidence with Gimenez or Perez.

I'm starting to wonder if teams are stealing our pitch signs. Or are we that predictable? I swear, I've never seen so many good swings being put on 0-2, 1-2 counts as I've seen with this staff.

I'm really thinking the pitching woes might be more missing gomes for a couple of them, Perez and Giminez really don't belong up at the show, neither one are as good defensively or calling a game, Gomes might be one of the best pitch framers in the game and when hes hitting it helps our whole lineup, Giminez and Perez are automatic outs, but our hitting has fallen way off, i said earlier i think alot of it is due to trying to press too hard and get it all back at once because the starting pitcher left them in a big hole. Defensively we need to get better as well, our outfielders are bad, as well as santana, I'm not sure we exercise the option on santana, he can't play the field, and noone is going to give a DH that's batting .240 12 million a year, well i hope the indians don't..lol. But we usually give bad contracts to underperforming players and let the good ones walk, so i'm sure Santana will resign for 6 years 110 million. September call ups can't happen soon enough, but Tito needs to stop wasting games for the sake of getting starters innings