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What this would do, is set a new precedent for players contracts in the NFL.

It's not Bosa trying to be greedy here, it's the Chargers.

If Bosa agreed to this deal, it could easily cause many other draft picks after him to lose millions. All Bosa wants is a deal that's the same as rookies before him have gotten.

It's about wanting equal treatment for himself and future draft picks. I don't blame him for not caving. The problem here is with the Chargers, not Bosa.

J/c
Because fans love the NFL, and they know it, they regularly get fan support w/ disputes w/ players. Even though in most cases they are in the wrong.

Chargers have been really bad to a lot of their players as of late. No surprise they're trying to do Bosa dirty as well.

Not responding to you ....

Just got back from San Diego, was on a client visit. At lunch on Friday we were sitting outside, enjoying the weather, when someone mentioned the Chargers. I asked what they though of the Bosa thing. None knew who Bosa was.

I just spit my drink up. LOL.

And that story might fit well in the Best and Worst Fans thread in the Tailgate forum.

LOL that explains most Charger/Cali fans

No. It doesn't. San Diego is different than everywhere else in the world.

Please elaborate

San Diego is different than everywhere else in California. People don't really care about sports as much because it is 78 degrees everyday and they recreate outside instead of attending sporting events.

There are a ton of sports fans in LA because there are so many transplants. And there are also a ton of hardcore Dodger/Laker/King fans that grew up in the area.

I can't really comment on Northern California because I have not spent a substantial amount of time there and it is basically a different state than Southern California.

Thanks. I've never been there, but my uncle lives in Huntington Beach (sp?) ... he says he very rarely talks sports with anybody. Kind of feels on an island, especially as a Browns fan. One day I'd like to visit.

I talk sports with most people I know, just not Browns. It's why I'm on here.

That makes sense then

...and we're glad to have you.

Last week was my first time there, and it's a wonderful place. After these steamy weeks in Ohio, and a brutal day in LA last week when I drove up to see my brother, the climate in SD was a nice surprise. I was in sight of Mexico and it was 78 and breezy in the afternoon. Some of the people I met with said they had to buy air conditioners last year when the summer got hot. They just didn't own one.

Those are coastal San Diegoans ... Those of us who are Inland San Diegoans have to take out a mortgage to pay for our A/C bills each summer.

San Diego is in purgatory right now because of the stadium relocation and possible team move. Interest is very low.

It seems like your team trying to move and failing will have a negative effect on the fan base. One would think the team would not want any bad publicity after that. Which is why it is very strange that they are playing hardball with Bosa.

Intentional maybe so they can more easily move? Tick the fanbase off even more?

Wow... this thought never even crossed my mind. If I were a Charger fan, yeah... I'd probably could care less about that team as I'd probably have pledged allegiance to a different one.

Well they are supposedly trying to stay in San Diego now, so that would be a strange course of action. Moving to LA would be a disaster for them at this point.

I don't know why they would want to move to LA anyway. Much of LA is either Raiders or Rams fans, so moving there would make them third fiddle to begin with. They have no imminent stadium deal in place either, and I doubt they want to ride the Rams coattails and rent their stadium.

Their best bet is to somehow work out a new stadium deal and stay in San Diego, but the SD city government is as inept as the Chargers ownership.

Bingo. Except they might be desperate enough to be a tenant of the Rams.



The government of the city shouldn't really have much to do with the deal in the first place. Dean Spanos, the Chargers owner, is worth nearly a billion dollars. The Chargers themselves are worth over a billion dollars. The NFL is willing to kick in $100M to help them stay in San Diego.

Build your own damn stadium.

That might be the plan. The latest "idea" is to build a joint convention center/stadium downtown in Seaport Village. But it would be a private investment.

The hold up though is probably the city. They'll probably want to tax the heck out of it, despite the tons of business it would bring the city. It's like local governments don't realize the positive impact a stadium brings. Downtown SD was a complete dump until they finally grudgingly allowed Petco Stadium to be built, and now the downtown are is completely revitalized.

Building a Stadium/Convention center downtown would knock things out of the park. We're already a top convention destination, and we'd probably get the Super Bowl every 4 years if they didn't have to play in that monstrosity called Qualcomm. But the City Council seemed to be doing everything they can to block it.

Stadiums bring cool stuff, I think local governments understand that. Luckily for the residents of San Diego, the local government also understand that they should not be giving billionaires blank checks to build stadiums with taxpayer money.

And yes, Qualcomm is a dump. It is literally the worst stadium I have ever been to (and that includes the stadium in Oakland).

It might be different now, but San Diego was the cleanest, safest, most beautiful big city I ever visited. I was there in the mid-70s and man, I was amazed by just how clean it was.

I remember the city had a blackout back that time period and there was not one report of stores being looted or violence breaking out, which was very much different from the blackouts in New York and Detroit.

Loved San Diego!

San Diego is my favorite city in California. If I was not born in LA, I would live there. It is fantastic.

We had a blackout just a couple of years ago. Nothing major happened. I think most people just commented about the crazy sparkly things that suddenly appeared in the sky at night.

We've also had a couple of wildfires that completely shut things down. The community rallied together to help each other out, rather than just loot everything.

Is it still really, really clean? LOL.......I know that might seem like a weird question, but for someone who grew up in what was then the steel belt, it was amazing to see a big city that clean.

Chargers say Bosa won't play full 2016 season after rejecting latest offer
No. 3 overall pick Joey Bosa isn't any closer to joining his team ahead of his rookie season
Sean Wagner-McGough @seanjwagner

The Chargers' ongoing contract standoff with No. 3 overall pick Joey Bosa just went very public.

On Wednesday, the team released a statement that not only revealed details of its "best offer" for Bosa, which it says includes a signing bonus that is larger than any player has collected in the past two drafts, but also called into question just how much Bosa will be able to contribute in his rookie season.

And, oh yeah, that best offer? It's now off the table.

To be clear, it certainly doesn't appear as if Bosa will be on the field for the first game of the season, when the Chargers open at Kansas City on Sept. 11. And if he does make an appearance, it doesn't seem as if he'll be able to contribute like most first-round picks.

Here's the statement in its entirety, via the Chargers' Twitter account:

Our contract discussions and offers to the representatives of Joey Bosa have been both fair and structurally consistent with the contracts of every other Chargers player.

Our offer included:

- An initial signing bonus payment that is larger than any player in the league has received in the last two drafts.

- More money in this calendar year that every player in this year's draft except one (QB Carson Wentz)

- The largest payment and the highest percentage of signing bonus receiver in the first calendar year of any Chargers' first-round selection since the inception of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement.

We gave Joey's representatives our best offer last night, which was rejected today. The offer that we extended was for Joey to contribute during all 16 games and beyond. Joey's ability to contribute for an entire rookie season has now been jeopardized by the valuable time he has missed with his coaches and his teammates. Since Joey will not report at this time, his ability to produce not just early in the season but throughout the entire season has been negatively impacted.

As a result, we will restructure our offer since Joey will be unable to contribute for the full 16 game season without the adequate time on the practice field, in the classroom, and in preseason games.

So, let's state the obvious: This is bad, for both the Chargers and Bosa. And this might be completely unprecedented.
For one, contract tiffs with rookies hardly exist because there just isn't very much for an agent and front office to haggle over. As former agent Joel Corry wrote for CBS Sports earlier this month:

There are very few negotiable items with rookie contracts anymore because of the collective bargained wage scale. Each pick has a salary floor and ceiling based on draft position. All contracts are four years in length, except teams have an option for a fifth year with first-round picks. This streamlining of negotiations has significantly quickened the pace of signings overall

As Corry went on to explain, the issue seems to be entirely related to offsets and the schedule of the signing bonus.

I'm glad our fan base isn't dealing with that. We have first round selection issues of our own, but yeah, what a burning mess. He's missed so much time, so much coaching and the staff has missed crucial on field evaluation of him/his potential - ya... what a mess.

So glad the Browns did not sign him. Personally, I preferred Buckner anyway.

If Bosa re-enters the 2017 draft I would expect many teams will be super cagey about signing him. And, rightfully so. Can't imagine too many teammates in the locker room are impressed with him either.

Interesting point. This is not take Bosa at his price if they want to trade him. Probably our first and more before now. But is it bad to toss a lower set of picks or find his price point now? That might be lower than theirs but stretched in a package or conditions or some combination. I pimped for him and am glad we dodged this hot mess. I am not in the "not at any price" camp; has to be some point where his value is established beyond this situation. Just not sure what that value point might be. But he has sat out too long I think; he is now a late start reclamation project in my eyes to be game speed and field ready. It is worth an offer; if he can be plugged in later in the season, that could be a boost if we have injuries. Might be worth some offer to open the door and find out. I think we have enough issues without himm now, so he would have to be a solution down the road. Judging his upside is crucial here. I see it as a potential trade up potentially.

j/c

Joey Bosa isn't the one to blame in contract holdout with Chargers

In theory, the NFL's current collective bargaining agreement was supposed to do away with those long contract impasses that kept rookies from attending the start of training camp. In theory, it was supposed to make life easier for teams and agents by slotting players' salaries based on where they were drafted. In theory, it was supposed to do away with the art of the deal, because there was nothing of significance to be negotiated.

In theory, otherwise known as famous last words.

The contract impasse between the San Diego Chargers and first-round pick Joey Bosa is so, well, San Diego Chargers. This is an organization that fed on contentious contract negotiations with high draft picks under the previous CBA.

Flash back to 2001, when running back LaDainian Tomlinson, taken fifth overall, missed 30 days of camp. Or 2002, when cornerback Quentin Jammer, selected fifth overall, sat out 50 days. Or 2004, when quarterback Philip Rivers, taken fourth overall, was out 25 days. Or 2005, when linebacker Shawne Merriman, the 12th pick, missed seven days.

That's four players and 112 missed days -- five players and 125 days if you count Bosa, whose 13-day impasse is the longest of any NFL player since the current CBA was adopted in 2011.

This should not be the case in Bosa's situation, of course. Both sides know -- and, for the most part, accept -- what the final dollars will be. The sticking point is contract structure.

The Chargers are demanding offset language, which allows them to recoup monies owed to Bosa if he were released and signed by another team, and partial deferment of the signing bonus into next year. The Bosa camp is agreeable to one or the other, but not both.

Caught in the middle are Chargers fans, who struggle with memories of a painful past when rookie standoffs were common. A holdout now is just not the same as it was even 10 years ago.

In 2001, the late John Butler and sidekick (and successor as general manager) A.J. Smith joined the Chargers from Buffalo and quickly announced that agents would play by their rules ... or else. In one negotiation after another, they held their ground and got deals to their liking, even if it hurt the team in the short term.

Now comes GM Tom Telesco. He's not as brash as his predecessors, but he wants you to know he's just as tough. Agents are going to play by the team's rules ... or else. Every contract the Chargers have done since 2011 has included offset language and deferred money, and they're not going to break precedent for Bosa, a defensive end/outside linebacker taken third overall.

At some point it's fair to ask, when is enough enough? Owners complained that rookies were making too much money under the previous CBA, so the league successfully fought for a rookie wage scale that dramatically slashed the guaranteed dollars when players entered the league. Instead of being content with that victory, however, owners now want to recoup monies if they cut the player and he signs elsewhere. In other words, they want the player to assume some of the financial risk for bad personnel decisions, an attitude that speaks to their arrogance and sense of entitlement. What's next, injured players returning game checks when they're unable to suit up? But owners demand such things because players allow them to get away with it.

That's why Bosa should point the finger of blame at his fellow players as well as at Chargers management. On multiple occasions the NFL Players Association has "strongly discouraged" agents from agreeing to contracts that include offset language, particularly in rookie deals, but each year the number of deals featuring that (and deferred money) increases.

For instance, none of the 12 players selected with the second, third or fourth picks in the 2012-15 drafts agreed to deals that included offsets and deferments. However, this year, the picks immediately before and after Bosa -- Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz at No. 2, and running back Ezekiel Elliott at No. 4 -- signed deals with both provisions. Not surprisingly, the Chargers are arguing that Bosa's contract should feature that same framework.

There is nothing in the CBA that says a player must agree to offsets or deferments, yet players are willingly doing such deals. Each time they do, it's more leverage and a bigger hammer for teams to swing in negotiations.

A part of me hopes that Bosa holds his ground, even though history says players almost always will blink first in a contract stare-down. It's tiresome listening to players complain about what they don't have when they consistently give away their leverage and show no willingness to stand collectively and fight for change. In theory, if they stood as one, they could regain some of the power they've surrendered. But you know what they say about "in theory."

Famous last words.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17269...ontract-dispute

Question: Is what the chargers are doing illegal under the cba?

If so, there's trouble ahead.

If not, Bosa has a choice. He's not "entitled" to getting what he wants. If he doesn't like, he can sit for a year. He has choices/options. In fact, if he chooses to, he could even use that college degree and go out and get a different job.

quote above by arch:

"...he could even use that college degree and go out and get a different job."

Yeah right!

What's his degree in?

Lunch?

In actuality, it did all of those things except a very few rare exceptions. And there will always be exceptions.

I hope he goes back into the draft and we get him for a 7th rounder.

It's no more illegal than what Bosa is doing. It's funny the history that the Chargers have of these tactics and the hold outs this billionaire has over a period of time though.

Nah, it's Bosa. lol