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Is this the part of the thread where you derail everything because you have the emotional stability of a 13 year old girl?

No wonder I don't bother posting here much any more. Ask a simple question...

Who was Romeo??

You got a mouth on you, candy.

We all must agree. We all must agree. We all must agree.

And if we don't, guys like you resort to childish insults.

How does Crennel fit into this picture? [/quote]

Being I live in Mobile, Al, where the " Reese Senior Bowl" is held annually.
The person who runs the Senior Bowl is Phil Savage.

So I have been privileged to watch the NFL draft over the past several years with Phil Salvage at the Senior Bowl draft party.
The coach at the time of the Mingo pick was Romeo Crennel.
Romeo thought it was a good idea at the time. Not realizing he & Phil were on a short leash. (Thanks to Jr.)
Does anyone remember the player we passed on?

Dude, they are picking on you.

You made a mistake. Probably a very honest one.

Mingo was picked by the Banner/Lombardi regime.

I believe you might be thinking of Cameron Wimbley. There was speculation that RAC wanted an edge rusher over an interior lineman and that is why Savage made the trade w/Baltimore and chose Wimbley over Ngata.

Oops, I stand corrected and you are correct about the Ngata pick.
I guess Wimbley & Mingo are the same guys in my mind- Lol

It's okay, man. Honest mistake.

...was trying to figure out what Crennel had to do with Mingo. How long has he been gone now? Definitely more than Mingo's 4 years. We've had at least Chud, Shurmur, and Pettine since.

Don't sweat it Dawg. It all blends together like a horrible fever dream.

@CFRS- Do you feel better about yourself? If you have some knowledge pass it on, pup.

When I think of Mingo, I immediately flashback to the comeback victory two years ago against the Titans. I was rationalizing why I thought the Browns would be good to my uncle and mentioned that Mingo was on a come up. He gave me a look like I was insane and told me that he refuses to square anybody up and tries to reach for tackles, which he can't do because he doesn't have the upper body strength. Immediately after he said that Jake Locker scrambled right, Mingo had him dead to rights, but chose to lunge for a weak arm tackle. Locker shook him off like nuthin'. Last week when Mingo came in at MLB, his first play he stuffed a run, but again wouldn't square up and induce contact only lucking out with a reach tackle on a practice squad quality player. Mingo with a reach will be my lasting impression of his Browns career. I really believe that he was one of the guys Whitner called out last season as not wanting to play the game.

Haha it's tough to keep track. Crennel seems like FOREVER ago

Yeah, and I'm bad with times and dates to begin with...and names for that matter (though it does work better when they wear their names on their jerseys).

The tackle last week was not a lunge tackle. It was about as fundamental as it gets.

Y'all keep making things up, though. It helps w/the aura.

I'll have to watch it again. I might be mistaken. As I remember, there was a gargantuan hole on the left side, Mingo did an awesome job shooting in and he shied away from contact to the inside lunging to his right. Not trying to make things up Dawg. Just how I recall it. I will rewatch it and if I'm wrong, I'll own it.

yea Mingo better there than here. have not been overly impressed with him at all. Gilber too needs to move on. but just my opinion on the matter

Damn...........a reasonable and fair poster.

Perhaps I was wrong about the tackle and you were right. I do appreciate you having an open mind. That's rare around here. Hell, I almost hope you are right. If so, I will apologize.

I don't think Mingo means to reach, I just don't think he's a good "bender". He moves well forward and laterally, but turning the corner not so much. I almost want to say he is high-cut. He'd get past his man at a decent rate, but couldn't re-direct himself at the QB quick enough. So many near misses.

Nope, good call out. I just watched it; first play of 4th quarter. Run off left tackle. Mingo shot the gap getting in between the FB and RB. RB stuck a foot in the ground and tried to cut back up the middle. Mingo buried his shoulder on his outside hip and brought him down. My bad; I was pretty lit by fourth quarter and must have been projecting. Thanks for keeping me in check, I'll spend a little more time to consider before I post next time.
I have to say I was somewhat excited with thoughts of Mingo in the middle, especially given the absence of leadership I perceive in the middle of our D (and on D in general). I had visions of a Brian Urlacher resurgence when he made the move to the middle and started to dominate. I can't help flights of fancy from time to time.

Impressive admission. I won't forget that.

But, I understand your initial perception. Mingo does seem to have a weak upper body [not sure how much the shoulder injury plays into that perception] and has missed quite a few tackles.

Post more, Kong. Honest posters are always welcomed. Well, at least by me. LOL

I don't get this talk about who won the trade. NE has a much more talented defense, and can use players with specific combinations of talents/deficiencies in specific situations because of that. For us, Mingo wasn't going to be efficient because we don't have the talent around him to isolate his deficiencies. NE gets a player we couldn't properly use, and we get another draft pick. Both win.

It'll be interesting to see what Belichick can do with him. If he turns into something, that'll tell us something about our coaching I guess.

If RG3 doesn't work out we're not going to need to trade up for the first pick in the draft....

I find it interesting that everyone seems on board with trading Mingo, granted a disappointing player, but one that busted his ass and did actually play for us the last two seasons. Yet, even mention trading meathead, a guy that produced nothing the last two years except a bong cloud and that's blasphemy. I guess if you have one outstanding season you can blow off football for two years be suspended in four seasons and you're still a golden boy..... Strange.

Agreed. Belichick will ask Mingo to do one thing well. He will give him a job to do and ask only that he do that one thing.

We might not need to even if Griffin does work out (and we won't be able to trade for that pick if the team picking first needs a QB).

I'm just not sure what NE will get outta him. Everytime he rushes, all it takes is just a simple push to derail him. He's no threat to linemen because they just play looser and wider to shut down his speed because he has no power.

All he'll do good in NE is the same as all he did well here, a drop into coverage linebacker. You can draw up plays and stunts, etc for him to see if you can get him untouched to the qb, but offensive coordinators will pick up on that.

We'll see.

Any takers on Gilbert? What is a bust worth nowadays? Swap him and a pick for Bosa.

Practice squad doesn't see feasible. What are we seeing in this situation? Keep the Patsies on speed dial . . . .

Can we hire Joe Banner for a day or two and get that deal worked out? Lolol

As everyone on this board knows, this is why we are where we are year after year. We draft guys in the 1st or 2nd round and we end up getting nothing for them or 5th and 6th rd. picks after they bust. Does anyone do it as much as us? BM will do better in N.E. simply because it is a better atmosphere and better coaching than what he had here. Wining and positive attitudes make a big difference. I liked him and wish him well. We'll see him Oct. 9th.

The problem with him is that even in New England, he will at most be a role player. We spent a first round pick on a role player when he needed to be a difference maker. We need him to be a starter at the position we drafted him at.

If he cannot take a starting role on this (pathetic & undertalented) defense, he really doesn't hold much value for us. Yes, he could still play a role here, but probably not a whole lot better than any of the other guys we have.



I'll be interested to see what all New England does with him, but I'm expecting that it won't be anything earth-shattering.

How do you figure that was their number 1 goal?

mac, by rule the Browns still have to spend that money. A point you keep forgetting. Haslem is saving nothing. He has to spend that cap money sooner or later. He cannot use it to stuff his pockets.

The only reason we have so much cap is because we never had a real Qb worth keeping.

Someday, hopefully sooner than later, we'll have that Qb that will need paid. Then, we'll kiss most the cap bye bye.

We're in first place baby

quote above by Homewood:

"Wining and positive attitudes make a big difference."

I agree.

You literally have no clue how team salaries work.

We have so much cap space because we are able to roll over unspent money from the previous year's cap. I think Heckert started off with this and did well for us. Just last year we carried over over $20M in salary cap space.

So in 2014, when had the 2nd most cap space (according to you), we were 3rd in cash spent on players (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash/2014/).

In 2015, when you say we had the third most cap space, we were 21st in cash spent on players (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cash/2015/).

This year we are currently 31st in cash spent on players and we have the most cap room.

Having the most cap room does not mean you are not spending money on players, it means you managing the cap well. That is something we should be grateful for,

Just to further hammer home the point that mac is wrongly trying to make:

The Jaguars currently have the second most cap space in the league with just under $49M, yet they are 19th in total salary. How can that be? Because they kept rolling their cap space over when they were bad and now they are in a spectacular cap situation while also being in a spot where they are turning themselves into a contender.

This is not that hard. This information is readily available to people who are interested in actually knowing what's going on. Instead some people (or some person) continues on with his feeble-minded crusade against something that isn't real.

Don't wining and positive attitudes go hand-in-hand? I know whining and positive attitudes don't.