No. The Court isn't a game where you "win" or "lose". It's a place to promote justice. Not a place to abuse those who cannot afford a legion of lawyers.
Arch, I agree with most of what you said except taking issues with phones being smashed. That's a security issue. Have a flip phone with 1 number on it to call in case of an emergency.
Clinton Campaign Dogpiles NBC Reporter for Covering Hillary’s Coughing Attack
by Charlie Spiering
Sep 2016
A member of the Clinton campaign joined in shaming an NBC reporter after he wrote about Hillary Clinton’s embarrassing coughing attack in Cleveland Monday, with left-wing bloggers and a former White House speechwriter also mocking his writeup of a public event.
“Dear Andrew, Get a life. Thanks. Nick,” wrote Nick Merrill, the traveling press secretary for Hillary Clinton, linking to a comment from journalist Jonathan Alter insisting that the story “ain’t news.”Screen Shot 2016-09-06 at 6.40.57 AM
Merrill’s tweet was directed at NBC News reporter Andrew Rafferty, who wrote that Clinton “struggled to fight back a coughing fit.”
In response, Merrill’s followers taunted the NBC reporter saying that he should be embarrassed to call himself a journalist, suggesting he was paid by Donald Trump and urged him to “delete your network.”
The article was linked on the Drudge Report’s banner, sending a flood of readers to the NBC News website.
Obama’s former speechwriter Jon Favreau was also outraged at NBC News.
“Is there anyone at NBC, or anywhere else, who’s willing to defend this story?” Favreau asked on Twitter, sending more online hate towards Rafferty.
Vox’s Matthew Yglesias joined the attack. “They seriously ran this story?” he asked, linking to the headline, prompting his followers to tell Rafferty to “delete his career.”
During the speech, Clinton repeated that the cough was sparked by allergies, a claim that her campaign repeated after the rally.
No. The Court isn't a game where you "win" or "lose". It's a place to promote justice. Not a place to abuse those who cannot afford a legion of lawyers.
Ok. You got me. When we're talking "criminal" courts, I understand what you're saying. I get it.
But this isn't that.
Facts get stated. Trumps "legion" of lawyers can't dispute the facts. The contractor did, or did not follow the contract.
If they did follow the contract, and they get caught up in a lawsuit, they are free to counter sue for expenses, are they not?
Arch, I agree with most of what you said except taking issues with phones being smashed. That's a security issue. Have a flip phone with 1 number on it to call in case of an emergency.
Not sure I'm following you here.
Hillary, as SOS, doesn't need to have a phone to call someone in an emergency. She had federal agents protecting her at all times.
Maybe I'm just not understanding what you said/meant.
My apologies Arch. With probably the highest security clearance only behind Obama, one can assume people would try to trace her phone calls. Why would you repeatedly used the same phones and making it easier to trace your phone calls? That's why she would need to destroy some.
Allergies are easily taken care of with meds, maybe a shot.
(a doctors shot )
And her ridiculous attempt at humor by saying "everytime I think of trump I get allergic", was, just that, a ridiculous attempt at deflecting.
And some of her supporters are saying things like "well, when you talk as much as her, a terrible cough is to be expected. It's normal."
Trump doesn't cough, and he's talking a lot more than hillary. Obama doesn't cough, and he talks a lot more, Bush didn't cough, Bill Clinton didn't cough, Bush didn't, heck, list off all the presidents and people that ran for president........they didn't cough.
My apologies Arch. With probably the highest security clearance only behind Obama, one can assume people would try to trace her phone calls. Why would you repeatedly used the same phones and making it easier to trace your phone calls? That's why she would need to destroy some.
Okay.
So, why would she use her own private server that was obviously much easier to hack into?
If she was so cautious about her phone, why wouldn't she have been cautious about her server?
No. The Court isn't a game where you "win" or "lose". It's a place to promote justice. Not a place to abuse those who cannot afford a legion of lawyers.
Ok. You got me. When we're talking "criminal" courts, I understand what you're saying. I get it.
But this isn't that.
Facts get stated. Trumps "legion" of lawyers can't dispute the facts. The contractor did, or did not follow the contract.
If they did follow the contract, and they get caught up in a lawsuit, they are free to counter sue for expenses, are they not?
Really? You think the civil court is a place to play games with people? Have you ever had any litigation filed against you? It gets rather expensive quickly. You also have to counterclaim while the case is open, and you legally can't win more than 10k in court. Depending on the case, your losses could be far greater than that.
Arch, I hope you never encounter a lawyer-happy conman in your work. It could cost you your business.
All I can say to your response is, if I follow the contract, and I get sued, yes, it can/will get expensive. If proven correct in a court, I should certainly be able to counter sue to take care of my expenses defending myself.
My apologies Arch. With probably the highest security clearance only behind Obama, one can assume people would try to trace her phone calls. Why would you repeatedly used the same phones and making it easier to trace your phone calls? That's why she would need to destroy some.
Okay.
So, why would she use her own private server that was obviously much easier to hack into?
If she was so cautious about her phone, why wouldn't she have been cautious about her server?
I don't understand the logic of the private server. It was extremely careless. I was simply explaining the phones.
Allergies are easily taken care of with meds, maybe a shot.
(a doctors shot )
And her ridiculous attempt at humor by saying "everytime I think of trump I get allergic", was, just that, a ridiculous attempt at deflecting.
And some of her supporters are saying things like "well, when you talk as much as her, a terrible cough is to be expected. It's normal."
Trump doesn't cough, and he's talking a lot more than hillary. Obama doesn't cough, and he talks a lot more, Bush didn't cough, Bill Clinton didn't cough, Bush didn't, heck, list off all the presidents and people that ran for president........they didn't cough.
She's sick.
It's very possible she's sick right now. I'm not qualified as a medical practinioner to diagnose somebody's health based on a cough.
My apologies Arch. With probably the highest security clearance only behind Obama, one can assume people would try to trace her phone calls. Why would you repeatedly used the same phones and making it easier to trace your phone calls? That's why she would need to destroy some.
Okay.
So, why would she use her own private server that was obviously much easier to hack into?
If she was so cautious about her phone, why wouldn't she have been cautious about her server?
I don't understand the logic of the private server. It was extremely careless. I was simply explaining the phones.
Fair enough.
But, if your scenario were accurate, why would she have the phones smashed? Why not just let the battery run out, and toss them in the trash? Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't think phones can be hacked if they have no battery.
Toss them in the lake, river.
Nah, they had info on them that she didn't want known. Bust them up and hope the NSA (is that the right group?) didn't record her.
When you're at the very top, God knows what kind of sensitive information she gets exposed to. She probably doesn't just work American agencies either.
What's the issue with her coughing exactly? What if it's an allergic reaction or a common cold?
I watched her attempted speech yesterday that was interrupted by a 4 minute coughing jag. It hasn't been the first time this has happened.
Hacking Hillary: A complete timeline of 2016 coughing fits
September 6, 2016
By John Binder
Hillary Clinton goes through public coughing fits more than maybe any other politician in modern history. Below, The American Mirror has created a timeline of every one of Clinton’s coughing fits this year.
On Jan. 25, 2016, during a speech at the Jewish Federation of Greater Des Moines, Hillary suffered a coughing fit as she immediately grabbed a glass of water and pulled out a cough drop. Hillary asked that someone else speak to the crowd while she was trying to get the coughing under control.
On Feb. 16, 2016, Hillary was giving a speech to the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in New York, New York when she suffered one of her most severe coughing fits to date.
The speech had to be stopped as she grabbed for water and a cough drop. Her voice dramatically deepened and she continued coughing throughout the speech afterwards.
On April 4, 2016, while Hillary was doing a radio interview, the former Secretary of State began drinking water when she realized a coughing fit was coming on.
After Hillary coughed a couple of times, she blamed the issue on “allergy season.”
Hillary also said “My voice is failing,” before coughing once again. Her coughing begins at 21:15 into the interview.
On May 5, 2016 during a campaign rally speech in California, Hillary went into another coughing fit. The speech was interrupted periodically by Hillary’s coughing.
On June 4, 2016, Clinton was listening during a round table discussion when she began hacking uncontrollably.
She motioned for an aide and drank about a half of a glass of water to soothe her throat.
On Aug. 31, 2016, Hillary was speaking to the American Legion when she appeared to be fighting back a cough by chewing on an apparent cough drop that looked to be lodged in her mouth.
Then, Hillary can be heard actually biting down on the supposed cough drop. C-SPAN and PBS both picked up the sound in their audio recordings of the speech.
On Sept. 5, 2016, Hillary suffered a massive coughing fit during a campaign even in Cleveland, Ohio. Hillary began speaking and within minutes started coughing, prompting her to quickly grab the water at the podium. However, the water did not help much and that’s when she pulled out a cough drop as she repeatedly patted her chest.
Like the water, the cough drop barely stopped the coughing as it continued through her speech.
On Sept. 5, 2016, just hours after giving the coughing-induced campaign speech in Cleveland, Ohio, Hillary was asking questions from reporters when she suffered a severe coughing attack.
The coughing forced her to walk to the front of the plane after being given water to calm the episode down.
This reporter from NBC tried to report on her health issues, as many people have called for, and the Clinton campaign along with several other news agencies ganged up on him and tried to shame him for doing his job. Is this what we have to look forward to if she wins the presidency?
except a birth certificate isn't proof of citizenship.
My birth certificate says i was born in germany.
and a birth certificate isn't required to be shown to be eligible to be president.
edit: you can say whatever you want about her and such. at the end of the day, she released her tax returns.
your boy hasn't.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I worked with people at the top. They have procedures in place to protect classified information.
I've worked with people that are pretty high ranked too. I know they have procedures in place. I'm not going to pretend to know what it is. However, what I said isn't unprecedented.
i've had a security clearance as well as a government issued phone when i was stationed in Germany on Driver's assignment. i drove the 7th Army generals as well as got to be on detail to drive diplomats in Beligum.
but i dunno if my experience counts on this board. seeing as how people ignore practically everything i say anyway.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Proof of citizenship IS required to run for president. You need proof that you were born here, OR born there to u.s. citizens. (whereever "there" is)
She released her tax returns. Cool. Show me where that's a requirement for running for president. I'll wait.
Here it is: You're hung up on a non legal requirement as far as trump is concerned, yet you're defending someone that broke multiple federal laws during her time as SOS.
Pelosi says "don't use the hacked documents from the democrats." (the ones russia hacked)
Then, later, in the article, it says the dems have used leaks from Russia to go after Trump.
What the hell is so private that the dems are scared to death over u.s. citizens seeing/hearing? I thought nothing of interest was found in the hacked stuff???
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WASHINGTON (AP) — House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi urged Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday to keep Republican candidates from using hacked Democratic documents in this year's election campaigns, the latest political twist in a summer of revelations of digital break-ins believed linked to Russia.
"Russia's cyber attack is an unprecedented assault on the sanctity of our democratic process," Pelosi, D-Calif., wrote in a letter to the Wisconsin Republican. "We must come together to say that defending our democracy from Russia's meddling is more important than any advantage or disadvantage in this election."
A GOP aide said Ryan cannot control campaign ads by Republican committees that by law are barred from consulting with the party's candidates.
Pelosi's letter came as Congress returned from summer recess just two months from an Election Day in which Democrats hope to gain sizable numbers of House seats, as well as capture the Senate and retain the White House.
Democrats have been happy to link Russia to Donald Trump's GOP presidential candidacy, highlighting his July plea that Russia help find Democratic rival Hillary Clinton's missing emails and work former campaign manager Paul Manafort did for a pro-Russian party in Ukraine. Trump later said his call that Russia find Clinton's emails was sarcastic.
Federal officials have been investigating electronic break-ins into Democratic Party computers by people that private cybersecurity analysts have blamed on Russian intelligence agencies. That's included a breach of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, House Democrats' campaign arm.
Embarrassing internal Democratic documents have been posted online. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida relinquished her post as Democratic Party chief in July after the documents showed the organization tilting toward Clinton in her campaign against Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders for the presidential nomination.
"Democrats and Republicans must present a united front in the face of Russia's attempts to tamper with the will of the American people," Pelosi wrote.
Ryan spokeswoman AshLee Strong steered a reporter seeking comment to the National Republican Congressional Committee, which runs House GOP campaign efforts.
NRCC spokeswoman Katie Martin said Ryan and NRCC chief Rep. Greg Walden, R-Ore., do not "have control over" campaign ads produced by an arm of that committee, which is legally required to spend money without consulting candidates.
Martin cited an NRCC digital ad attacking a Democratic candidate for Congress in Florida, using information a hacker posted online and that Democrats have called "unverified documents provided by the Russians." Democrats have complained about the GOP's use of that information.
i'm not arguing that proof of citizenship is required. i simply stated that a birth certificate won't show that, even though a good portion of you conservatives wanted obama to show his BC for whatever reason.
also, i made the correlation that just because a document ISN'T required, presidential nominee's have released those documents in the name of transparency.
Tax returns have been released by presidents for how long now?
So sure, it isn't required. This is the part where you're argument loses traction.
Trump not releasing them...sure, you can spin that however you want.
Here's the problem: your boy decided to come up with some crap excuse NOT to release them, instead of simply stating that it isn't required and leaving it at that.
So now people are calling him out on it.
what's infuriating is people like you who cry about hillary lying, yet don't say a word about Trump's constant lying. as if it doesn't happen.
So please don't cry about me defending ANYBODY who's a sleezbag when you're actively sitting here doing the same damn thing.
you might be able to pull that nonsense with whoever you associate with on a daily basis, but i don't play that double standard BS. either practice what you preach or shut up. straight up.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
you might be able to pull that nonsense with whoever you associate with on a daily basis, but i don't play that double standard BS. either practice what you preach or shut up. straight up.
What are you talking about?
Here's the bottom line. We aren't talking about who can or can't run for president. It is well established that both trump and hillary are eligible.
SOME, however, are all in a buzz about documents that aren't even required to be released, while defending perhaps the biggest liar, and serial liar, that has ever run for president.
See, THAT is what we are talking about. She has lied. Over big things. To the American people, to the congress, to the FBI. About things that MATTER.
The irs will take care of trumps tax returns, guaranteed.
Someone needs to take care of the queen and her ability to lie her way into, and lie her way out of, anything and everything.
I never sent or received mail marked classified. Well, yeah, you did.
Ok, I never sent or received mail marked classified at the time. Well, yeah, you did.
I gave state and FBI all work related mail. Well, no you didnt.
I know exactly what classified means.......and then just today "well, I didn't know what the c meant."
Benghazi was about a video. Ah, hell, what difference does it make now anyway? Right?
I did no favors for those people that donated to the clinton foundation.......yeah, right.
And this whole "Trump is hiding something by not releasing his taxes" crap? How ignorant is she? She, the one that deleted 33,000 emails that were "personal"......yet we're now finding out about the classified label.........
Defend your girl all you want. She's a liar to the utmost. Yet you defend her?
but you can't point to any post where i defended her lying. as a matter of fact, not only do i post articles about it, i slam her on the lying.
but you ignore not because it doesn't fit your agenda. you basically have your eye lids closed. basically, discussing this with you is pointless. ive called her a snake and other words, yet you act like she's my lord and savior.
again, you're being pointless.
you realize you're the only one on this board claiming i'm defending her lying, right? you're spreading misinformation, and LYING about my position.
so as much as you hate hillary, you sure do act like her. congrats, i guess.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
I'm not spreading misinformation, and I'm not lying about your position. (anymore than when you say Trump is "my boy", or when you go "ya'll" on people)
Eyes closed? Glad you aren't looking in a mirror, you'd see nothing.
But, you're right, discussing her lies with you is pointless. You're on record from 6 months ago? A year ago? Saying "I'm voting for Hillary".
I bet there's not anything that will change your mind, and that's fine. But when she starts harping/hacking about Trump hiding something because he won't release his tax returns, I just find the irony to be puke worthy.
It shows her mentality, in many, many ways. The old "Do as I say, not as I do" thing.
How anyone can support her, other than Bill and Chelsea, I don't know.
All I can say to your response is, if I follow the contract, and I get sued, yes, it can/will get expensive. If proven correct in a court, I should certainly be able to counter sue to take care of my expenses defending myself.
Are you telling me that's not how it works?
That's not how it worked in the one case I was directly involved in and another that happened when I first got hired at my current position. In the ones I was in, the cases weren't assigned to a civil court; per the bid documents, after all of the negotiations do not bring together both sides, a arbitrator is assigned and we must plead our cases to him. It is still like a court with the discovery, cross examination, expert witnesses, etc. And it is every bit as expensive. The case that I was directly involved in, after paying our lawyers and experts and the arbitrator (paid by both parties), our 400k settlement was cut about in half. And this did not take into account the time that 3 or 4 of us in the office put into this (probably about 1200-1500 hours). and then we had to bring in our foreman from the field and pay him to help prepare the case. The owner of our company said that if he had to account for all of our time and expenses, he probably walked away with about $50,000 and we won the case.
This is a politi al thread, so this is where i'll put this.
I want one democrat to explain to me, how they often being against bullying, or making sure people stop using words they've always used for more generic less offensive terms to say the same thing.
and being for " safe spaces" and condemning the highlighting or noting of differences in those who are on the fringe,
Being on the cutting edge of the cultural revolution on things like lgbt-xyz, and Bruce Jenner publicly, or cher's son, or whatever.
If democrats, can stand for all of that. Then I want one democrat to explain to me how every night, night in and night out, the late night talk show hosts can and Continually! can highlight "Chris Christie" for having a wide frame, or can highlight, "Donald Trump" for having different hair, or an "orange" complexion.
Or for years, insult George Bush as having less intelligience.
It seems there is kind of a double standard, and these kinds are setting a bad example, and this talk, these jokes should be stopped,and an apology should be demanded, and even so these talk show hosts should lose their jobs.
That would be the way this would be, if it were the other standard.
So can some democrat, explain this, Or, are the whole "anti bullying" things just a lot of hot air?
Either way the "Man" should mind his own business, it's nobody's business to tell folks not to speak their mind,(thought police), just wanted to highlight how the democrats are, what's the word for it? hypocritical, I think that's the word
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
This is a politi al thread, so this is where i'll put this.
I want one democrat to explain to me, how they often being against bullying, or making sure people stop using words they've always used for more generic less offensive terms to say the same thing.
like? you mentioned bullying, but then kinda trailed off. i need examples of these terms you're talking about.
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and being for " safe spaces" and condemning the highlighting or noting of differences in those who are on the fringe,
If you think safe spaces is a norm for democrats, then i'll just assume a KKK rally is where republicans feel at home.
sounds fair, right?
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Being on the cutting edge of the cultural revolution on things like lgbt-xyz, and Bruce Jenner publicly, or cher's son, or whatever.
again, i don't understand where you're getting at here.
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If democrats, can stand for all of that. Then I want one democrat to explain to me how every night, night in and night out, the late night talk show hosts can and Continually! can highlight "Chris Christie" for having a wide frame, or can highlight, "Donald Trump" for having different hair, or an "orange" complexion.
I guess its the same reason Trump can insult women and make fun of disabled people. freedom of speech.
I can't speak for all democrats, but here's my PERSONAL reason for clowning the crap out of Chris christie.
Chris christie likes the war on drugs. he supports the war on drugs. he thinks weed is a gateway drug. he doesn't support legalization and sites health risk.
the same guy sighting health risk for weed.....think about that. health risk. yet how much does this guy weigh? how much junk food does he eat?
i clown chris christie for the same reasons you seem to call democrats: he's a hypocrite. don't talk to me about health risk when you got lap band surgery and it still didn't work because you refuse to eat HEALTHY.
that word health. He's a walking example of the risk of overeating. at risk of diabetes, heart diseases, kidney problems, i can go on and on.
That's why i clown Christie. if he was serious about "health risk", then he'd ban mcdonalds in his state.
but that ain't gonna happen, is it? tired of unhealthy people trying to cite health reasons as to why drugs should be illegal, knowing damn well his unhealthy habits probably knocked a decade or so off his lifespan.
i didn't make him eat all that junk food. democrats didn't make him eat it. he did it all on his own.
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Or for years, insult George Bush as having less intelligience.
and democrats are wrong. as a democrat, i've been on record during my time on this board saying i don't condone name calling of any president.
however, you might want to check you fellow conservatives/republicans, as they were doing the same thing. two wrongs don't make a right, but that's not an excuse to be one sided.
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It seems there is kind of a double standard, and these kinds are setting a bad example, and this talk, these jokes should be stopped,and an apology should be demanded, and even so these talk show hosts should lose their jobs.
the WORLD is filled with double standards. we as humans try to not have double standards, but it happens. that isn't a political ideology thing. that's a human thing.
here's a double standard i freely admit:
i hate when i see two gay guys kissing. but damnit do i love seeing two chicks kiss.
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That would be the way this would be, if it were the other standard.
So can some democrat, explain this, Or, are the whole "anti bullying" things just a lot of hot air?
i need context. are you only using Chris christie as your example? you got really vague with the bullying topic. i need more detail.
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Either way the "Man" should mind his own business, it's nobody's business to tell folks not to speak their mind,(thought police), just wanted to highlight how the democrats are, what's the word for it? hypocritical, I think that's the word
it's easy as hell to point out the double standards of republicans.
again, what you're saying isn't exclusive to any one party.
what's funny is that it's actually hypocritical of you to imply that. don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Man, that doesn't sound like some casual allergy attack.
I suffer from allergies big time. (hayfever) I don't hack. I do sometimes have difficulty clearing my throat, and do drink a lot of water, and sometimes Diet Pepsi, as the carbonation helps break up the mucus.
While I loath Hillary Clinton's willingness to say anything at all to get elected, and while I feel that she is one of the most dishonest politicians of all time, right behind her husband and gaining fast, I sincerely hope that she does not have anything beyond allergies.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
I bet playskool never imagined that there product would be used by both presidential candidates. The difference is Hillary was taught how to use it by this girl.
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