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Throw Long would have benefited from listening to that Shapiro interview I posted.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/house-republicans-appropriate-measures-discipline-212535213.html

House Republicans will take 'appropriate measures' to discipline Democrats for gun-control sit-in

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So, I'm not gonna comment on the gun control thing because we got plenty of those.

However, a few things:

I didn't know a sit in broke rules. Was it breaking rules or not stroking egos?

Why is it that republicans only "stand up" to democrats with regards to gun control? They are literally push overs in every other phase of the game. Regardless if I agree with them or not, it would be nice if the GOP decided to prove Obama has "weak" leadership by actually providing some.

But I know I'm asking a lot from people who make six figures a year so, my bad guys.

If I were to vote for Trump, 2 things would need to happen.

1. He'd need to stop with the stupid damn wall talk.
2. He'd need to stop talking about spending more money on the military.

Pigs would fly out of my behind before any of these happened. Also, this isn't a policy thing, but stop lying about bringing shovel ready jobs back. It won't happen, those days are coming to an end.

Shovel ready jobs............that brings back memories.

Blows my mind how 2 faced Hillary is.

She's an habitual liar, we all know that.

She gripes about Trump not releasing his tax returns because he "obviously has something to hide", while totally ignoring her 10's of thousands of deleted emails, etc.


And now, she attacks the Trump foundation for an illegal $25,000 donation - for which the Trump foundation paid a $2500 fine, AND, she's questioning Trump university over "for profit" schooling.

And in the mean time? Her husband has accepted $18 million from "Laureate International Universities". $18 million, over 5 years, for being an "honorary chancellor".

Wow, that's an average of $3.6 million a year. I bet those students are thinking "what? We paid an honorary chancellor 3.6 million this year?"


Hillary doesn't get it. Never has, never will. And she's dumb enough to call others out for exactly what she's done.

My biggest problem with the current republican party... shut up and show me. Don't tell me Obama's plan is horrible, show me a better plan.


Both sides get off playing to our emotions. They know exactly what our emotional issues are and they go after them every single time.... all the while mutually agreeing to pass legislation that screws us all, they have these slap fights over emotional issues that, in the grand scheme of things, aren't nearly as important as the other stuff they are doing to steal our country.

Like now they are fighting over passing funding for Zika because of some Planned Parenthood language. Last time I checked, Zika had NOTHING to do with Planned Parenthood. But you just mention the name and there is a group within the republican base who has the hair on their neck stand up and they get very emotional about it. I get the abortion argument... but this is funding for Zika... which should be pretty much universally supported to stop it from spreading... but they have to inject one of their go-to hot button issues into it to make it look like they are fighting for "our side".. just stop it.

That's one of the issues they run into DC, and I know you know it.

But it's the whole "padding" of a bill. Hey, we have a bill to fund combating zika. Great. Oh, but the bill also has riders funding Planned parenthood, a bridge in the middle of nowhere, an airport that has 1 flight a day, and also establishes that homeowners must have bird insurance if they own a bird.


Vote against funding zika? You are pilloried. It's how congress works.

I have to admit that I haven't read up on exactly what the issue is.. just that it passed the house and the senate republicans have voted against it twice because the democrats won't allow some anti-planned parenthood language in it. I don't know if the dems have language in that the repubs want out of if the repubs want language in.. I'll have to read up on it a little.... either way, one side or the other is playing games with Zika legislation that don't need to be played.

This is why the President needs the power to Line Item Veto.

It is also why the President will NEVER be given the power of Line Item Veto.

And please know, I'm not saying those things were in the bill. But, I AM saying things like that happen in every bill.

I know they do and I hate it.

J/C

Ever noticed how whenever somebody post something negative about trump there is an immediate Hillary bash? Seems like there a troll lurking in this thread morning, noon, and night.

I was watching the news today and they had a Trump speech on and for a few minutes he sounded like a leader, then he went all "Build a Wall" and enormous military again. I'm at the point I don't care who wins because they all look bad to me. Hillary is a crook, Donald is a loser and nuts, and the 3rd parties don't stand a chance.

I think the next President is going to catch a major recession and the markets are going to nose dive again soon.

I can't express enough how the Zika and congress stuff pisses me off. It affects me personally at my job.

Yeah, I've noticed that...but it isn't really a "hillary bash", it's using her own words. You know, like, when she says "trump did this, and it's terrible", only to find out she has done the same, and worse?

Now, if you consider me using her own words against her as a "bash", that's fine.

'Embarrassing to our country': Trump suggests he’ll fire top generals
By JEREMY HERB 09/07/16 09:36 PM EDT Updated 09/08/16 12:01 AM EDT

Donald Trump trod into uncharted territory Wednesday night when he suggested that if elected he might fire some of the top generals now running the military.

As the Republican presidential nominee slammed the foreign policy of President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, he also targeted the top officers who have served under them, who are not political appointees and have defined terms of appointment.

Individual generals and admirals have traditionally been removed from their posts for misconduct or a failure to perform their duties. Cashiering a group of them en masse would be unheard of — and could irrevocably tarnish the perception that the military is an institution divorced from politics.

“Under the leadership of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, I think the generals have been reduced to rubble,” Trump said at the NBC News “Commander in Chief Forum,” where he and his opponent, Clinton, appeared. “They have been reduced to a point where it’s embarrassing to our country.”

Later in the interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer, Trump suggested that when he seeks the military’s advice on how to defeat the Islamic State “they’d probably be different generals, to be honest with you."

The comments could make for an awkward introduction between Trump and Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, the current Joint Chiefs chairman, the top adviser to the commander in chief. Dunford has a two-year term that ends September 2017 — a position that is normally extended for another two years.

In fact, the entire roster of the Joint Chiefs has turned over in the past two years, including the four-star officers heading each branch of the military who also traditionally serve a total of four years. That means the top military leadership now advising the president will all be in place for some time after the next administration takes office.

It could also sour relations with the set of so-called combatant commanders who run military operations in various geographic regions of the world, including the U.S. Central and European Commands that have a major role in fighting the Islamic State.

Dunford has gone out of his way to urge all troops to stay out of politics this year, citing concerns that the military could be politicized. Some top officers worry privately that if they are perceived to have political leanings one way or the other a President Trump could fire them, making it very difficult for the top brass to regain its reputation for impartiality.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-suggests-fire-the-generals-227862#ixzz4JdkZwvqB
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook


http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-suggests-fire-the-generals-227862


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I totally get why a wide swath of American voters despise Hillary Clinton. I also understand why some might want to cast their vote for anyone but her, in an effort to punish/impede her.

But when a major party's candidate tries to sell something like this to the general public, I can't help but wonder:

How can a person take in a news item like this, and not be concerned about that candidate's judgement, temperament, and command of the basic principles behind administrative continuity?

We have Browns fans who absolutely lose it when the owner fires everyone, and replaces them with an entirely new bunch to run things.... and football is just a game. A pastime. Entertainment.

And yet... some of us are willing to entertain the idea of someone like Donald [effing] Trump having codes to the nuclear football?


Does no one else see how absolutely crazy this entire scenario is?



Hillary Clinton is truly a 'piece of Washington DC work.' There's no getting around that. But she's the only other choice that has a reasonable shot at winning this upcoming election... which makes her America's only viable choice against- something absolutely 'cray' and unhinged like this.

I'm not asking this next question of die-hard, straight-ticket Republican voters. I'm asking this question of all you "anti-establishment/business-as-usual" voters who want to vote Trump in an effort to 'stick it to HRC,' and everything she represents:

What makes you think that someone like Donald Trump is capable of running the most powerful and influential country on the planet?

Dude needs a serious 'sales pitch' to yank me away from the 0% support profile I already occupy.


So... what does You Boy have for me- an American voter?

__________

A POTUS candidacy race is a job interview, make no mistake about it. Resume, curriculum vitae, past accomplishments, etc are how we voters vet our next leaders.

Please.

My take on all of this: Dude wants to treat the Joint Chiefs of Staff of The United States of America like a new NFL owner treats his inherited FO/coaching staff.

This is beyond inane... and adds to the ever-expanding laundry list of reasons why this man should NEVER be allowed anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Ave- without a ticket/guest pass.

I can't believe that our nation's politics have led us to his point.


PLEASE try to legitimize this guy as YOUR GUY... one more time- WITHOUT trying to tear down his primary opponent. That's all I ask.


I need to understand what some of you see in this guy- on hiss own merits alone... because whatever appeal he has for you has been totally lost upon me, up 'til now.

Hit me with your best sales pitch.
Now is your chance.

I just love Politico, they forgot to mention what Obama has done to our military and officers. That's embarrassing.

"Retired Army Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, who was with Delta Force and later Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence under President George W. Bush, says it is worrying that four-star generals are being retired at the rate that has occurred under Obama.

“Over the past three years, it is unprecedented for the number of four-star generals to be relieved of duty, and not necessarily relieved for cause,” Boykin said.

“I believe there is a purging of the military,” he said. “The problem is worse than we have ever seen.”


http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-generals-obama-is-purging-the-military/


or



Obama’s Military Purge Continues
February 23, 2016

Rich Winkel

Obama is purging every branch of the US armed forces at an alarming rate.

He’s deliberately crippling our military, setting them up for failure and defeat. Through his actions he is rapidly demoralizing our troops en masse, creating a dangerous situation at home and abroad, leaving our troops, our country and we citizens open to attack.

Retired Army Maj. Gen. Patrick Brady, recipient of the U.S. military’s highest decoration, the Medal of Honor, as well as other top retired officers, say Obama’s agenda is decimating the morale of the U.S. ranks to the point members no longer feel prepared to fight or have the desire to win.

Our Army has not trained for six months. Meanwhile there is tremendous domestic and foreign unrest taking place. “To have the Chief of Staff of the Army confess to the world that our Army has not trained for six months is highly disturbing,” says former Florida Congressman Allen West. “[It] should make us all sleep less soundly at night.”

Since Obama took office an unprecedented number of top military leaders have been removed from their posts – nearly 200 generals, flag officers and other high-ranking officials. They are being “removed” at a rate of about one per week.

Allen West, who served on the House Armed Services Committee, is calling for hearings “to determine exactly why” so many officers, especially senior officers, are being given the boot.


http://thoughtcrimeradio.net/2016/02/obamas-military-purge-continues/

Gary Johnson; "What is Aleppo?"

Ouch. I think that he'll be lucky to get 10% from here on out, now. Man, this guy was my fall back ..... and for him to not have any idea what one of the biggest humanitarian crises in the world today is ..... and his blank look when asked the question ... is a major concern.

A video snippet is on the link.


Libertarian Candidate Gary Johnson Asks 'What Is Aleppo?' In An MSNBC Interview : NPR
http://www.npr.org/2016/09/08/493098154/watch-in-morning-interview-gary-johnson-asks-what-is-aleppo

Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson asked a television interviewer today, "What is Aleppo?" betraying a lack of interest or even superficial knowledge of the civil war in Syria that's been raging for more than five years.

The question came during an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." Panelist Mike Barnicle asked the two-time libertarian nominee and former governor of New Mexico, "What would you do if you were elected, about Aleppo?"

At first, Barnicle thought Johnson was joking — replying with "you're kidding" — when Johnson didn't recognize the city.

Here's the beginning of the exchange:

BARNICLE: What would you do if you were elected, about Aleppo?
GARY JOHNSON: About?
BARNICLE: Aleppo.
JOHNSON: And what is Aleppo?
BARNICLE: You're kidding.
JOHNSON: No.
BARNICLE: Aleppo is in Syria. It's the – it's the epicenter of the refugee crisis.
JOHNSON: Okay, got it. Got it.
BARNICLE: Okay.
Aleppo was Syria's largest city before the war and is a central battleground in the fight between government forces and the opposition. The iconic photo of five-year-old bombing victim Omran Daqneesh, widely seen on TV and newspapers last month, was taken in Aleppo.

Once Barnicle explained, "Aleppo is in Syria. It's the epicenter of the refugee crisis," Johnson tried to regroup.

"OK. Got it," Johnson said, falling back on libertarian principles of limited foreign engagement. "Well, with regard to Syria, I do think that it's a mess. And I think the only way that we deal with Syria is to join hands with Russia to diplomatically bring that at an end. But when we've aligned ourselves with, when we've supported the opposition, the Free Syrian Army, the Free Syrian Army is also coupled with the Islamists, and then the fact that we're also supporting the Kurds. And this is – it's just a mess," he said.

"I do understand Aleppo," he continued later in the interview. "And I understand the crisis that is going on. But when we involve ourselves militarily, when we involve ourselves in these humanitarian issues, we end up with a situation that in most cases is not better and in many cases ends up being worse."

Johnson also suggested that the war in Syria is the result of a U.S.-backed effort at regime change. While President Obama argues that Syrian President Bashar Assad should be removed from power through diplomatic means, the administration has avoided military action directed at the regime.

Johnson's later tried to explain: "This morning, I began my day by setting aside any doubt that I'm human. Yes, I understand the dynamics of the Syrian conflict — I talk about them every day," Johnson said in a statement, as reported by Politico. "But hit with 'What about Aleppo?' I immediately was thinking about an acronym, not the Syrian conflict. I blanked. It happens, and it will happen again during the course of this campaign."

Johnson also acknowledged the interview was a black eye for his campaign, which is currently drawing support from nine percent of the public, according to an average of polls compiled by Real Clear Politics.

"I feel horrible," Johnson told Mark Halperin of Bloomberg Politics. "I have to get smarter, and that's just part of the process."

Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton briefly addressed the flub Thursday morning in response to a question from a reporter. "Well, you can look at the map and find Aleppo," she said.

"Aleppo" quickly trended nationally on Twitter, with many criticizing the candidate's misstep.

Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein have attracted unusual attention for third-party candidates this year, as many voters seek an alternative to the Republican and Democratic standard-bearers, both of whom are saddled with high unfavorable ratings.

Stein also garnered headlines this week while taking part in a demonstration against a controversial oil pipeline in North Dakota. The local sheriff says Stein could face criminal charges for trespassing and spray-painting construction equipment.

i dunno why this should change how you view Gary.

Everybody knows about the syrian crisis.

but to expect people to know and name individual cities. come on....

Aleppo should be even more recognizable for a Presidential candidate than Syria is. It's is the key city in the whole Syrian crisis.

What?

Walk up to a random person and ask them if they've ever heard of the Aleppo conflict. Then ask them if they've ever heard of the Syrian conflict. You're going to have more responses to the Syrian conflict than the Aleppo conflict.

I'll be honest. I've never heard of Aleppo, until today. I've never heard of an Aleppo refugee crisis.

I HAVE heard of the Syrian refugee crisis.

Please note that I said "For a Presidential candidate", not "Joe Average" walking down the street.

Same for me.

But still, you're average candidate is going to know more about the thing that's been blasted in the news.


Swish, did you hear Chris Wallace interview with Ben Carson? He essentially asked Carson if he's the token black guy for the Republican Party to try and gain votes. Kind of shocked the hell out of me. Direct quote:

To, "What is Aleppo", he should have just replied, my dog prefers beef flavored.

Yea I saw the full interview, and I thought the it was a highly disrespectful question.

And I thought carsons answer was an eye brow raiser, even though I don't blame him one bit for essentially ignoring the question.

One thing people have to give trump credit for is knowing how to work the media.

If trump wanted a 'prop' for black votes, he wouldn't be using Carson at all. Carson doesn't have much of any support from most blacks. Neither does the sheriff.

trump knows this, and it's why he doesn't campaign with the sheriff, nor does he use Carson as much as people THINK he does.

Trump had what...2 percent of the black vote? And that probably has very little/nothing to do with Carson.

that question is loaded with more racism than anything I've heard in a while.

So people from both sides are crying about the debate mods.

At this point somebody would've cried no matter who got selected. So it's whatever.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but black people don't have particularly kind phrases to describe the sheriff and Carson. I've see the terms "Uncle Tom" & "House Negroe" associated with them. I think Trump would be best served working with Carson, but Sheriff Clark is going to nuke his support with black votes.

If trump wants blacks to take him seriously, then he needs to actually reach out to the community.

He can't sit there talking to an all white crowd discussing black issues and seriously think any of us are gonna listen to him.

Hold a conference with the NAACP, hold a town hall in a black neighborhood, get on hot 97 or 105 the beat and talk about the issues.

I mean damn, that would be like me trying to convince middle easterns that I'm concerned about their issues while My audience is a bunch of soldiers who are trained to kill all of them.

It ain't exactly sending the message he thinks it's sending.

And yes, when discussing those two, kind words aren't exactly used in those conversations.

I told you to vote for me. If I can get 15 percent of the vote I could run under the Browns party in 2020. Then you can contact the President of the USA and tell him he is an idiot, and I will even agree with you.

He didn't know what Aleppo was, and didn't pretend to.

I like that.

For some reason I thought staffers were volunteer. I posted this cause I know the hill is a conservative news site.

If this is the case that they were suppose to be paid, then man. Dude has a history of not paying people. Sup with that?

Trump policy staffers quit after not being paid

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/295072-trump-policy-staffers-quit-after-not-being-paid

Many of Donald Trump's Washington, D.C., policy staffers quit working for the campaign after not being paid or publicly recognized, according to a new report in The Washington Post.

According to former employees, they were told they would be paid when Corey Lewandowski was campaign manager. But Paul Manafort, who replaced Lewandowski in July, said the staffers would remain unpaid.


“It’s a complete disaster,” a campaign adviser told the Post. “They use and abuse people. The policy office fell apart in August when the promised checks weren’t delivered.”
Jason Miller, a campaign spokesman, said that the D.C. policy shop has been "very successful" but added that "no such oral agreements were made” in respect to paying the staffers.

The two leaders of the policy shop, Rick Dearborn and John Mashburn, allegedly promised the workers that the money was coming. The report notes, however, that Dearborn failed to get an approved budget for the D.C. branch after Manafort was appointed.

“I heard it from Dearborn, I heard it from Mashburn. It was understood that we would be paid. The campaign never discussed how much the pay would be. It was never in writing,” another staffer told the newspaper.

“There were some people who were treating it as a full-time job. I suspect that those people were quite astonished when the pay didn’t come through.”

There were also workers who did not hold the policy shop's leaders responsible.

“Rick Dearborn was always professional and forthcoming with me,” said the former policy coordinator.

“I was certainly under the expectation I would be paid at some point, but I don’t blame Rick Dearborn.”

The list of staffers who left the D.C. policy shop includes Ying Ma, a former staffer to Trump adviser Ben Carson; Tera Dahl, a former assistant to ex-Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.); J.D. Gordon, the shop's director of national security; and conservative writer William Triplett, among others.

The staffers who remained in the Washington office are now working on a volunteer basis, the report added.

Well when have you ever known me to fake knowing something? I am the first one to admit I don't know crap lol

Ya know, we've come a long way in 25 years in raising our standards of expectations from these folks.

Remember in 1992, Dan Quayle couldn't even spell potato....

Just sayin' lol



::And sorry for anyone with dislexia or learning disabilities with spelling, my father's a very intelligent man and he can't spell potato neither. Just was making a joke, don't want to hurt anyone's feelings::

Doesn't change a thing about Johnson for me. Someone is trying to make this a bigger thing than it actually is and I don't like it. I've never heard of Aleppo before going into this thread and reading about this.

Never heard of this Barnacle guy either, but he sounds unprofessional. I didn't see the interview but for him to say, "are you kidding?" comes off as patronizing. He could have easily not have said that and just informed him it was the city in Syria.

Hatchet piece.

This is exactly why we don't get decent people in public office. So, he honestly didn't know what or where Aleppo is. Let's crucify the guy. I'm sure Hillary or Trump will be much better.

Looks like this was something that went on below Trump and probably without his knowledge but in the end, it's his show and he is responsible for it.