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That's my fear as well. This is by definition a complete rebuild of epic proportions. Personally I like the formula if they can draft well. However, will Jimmy give them the time to pull it off is the real question to me.
This is at least a three year process. If all goes great we start showing signs of life in 2018.....most likely 2019. I have great reservations about Jimmy being patient enough to let this play out that long. Yep. The worst thing is that we could, conceivably, go through 3 years of building .. watching players develop and improve .... just ready to pay off .... and then we change front offices .... and coaches ..... and schemes .... and the new braintrust will decide to let the (then) free agents walk .... decide that they need to go young, again ..... and we start over .... again. I don't trust Haslam to stay committed to anything football related .... not one bit.
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I say Hue resigns before Haslam fires him. Not so much because the writing will be on the wall, rather Hue See's a hopeless situation OFF the field.
If the FO collects and blows so many picks in 17 the franchise is toast for the foreseeable future.
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I know many believe the Browns will be in a position to draft the best QB in the 2017 draft..but based on the performance of our front office, I would not trust them to draft a QB in 2017.
...example...our front office thought Wentz wasn't worthy of a "top 20" draft pick. If Wentz was not worthy, what does that say about Griffin?
...example...this front office spent their time with Dak Prescott at his Pro Day putting him through a series of psychological tests. This is how Prescott described it...
"I had to place some drawn pictures, kind of like comics, in an order so they tell a story without any words," Prescott said. "That was one test, another was asking what was missing from a picture, there were some pattern correlations with numbers, that kind of stuff."
BTW, Prescott's 4 yr degree was in psychology and he had a masters degree in something else.
...example...the Browns used a 3rd round pick on Cody Kessler, who is now the 3rd QB on the Browns roster. Kessler was listed on some draft sites as a 6th or 7th round pick.
The Browns front office passed over Wentz and Prescott in the past draft, two rookies who looked like they might be franchise QBs based on their play yesterday. The Browns front office is in dire need of someone experienced at judging "football talent".
Sashi Brown is a lawyer...
Depodesta is a baseball guy...
There needs to be someone with a strong background in judging football talent added to the team.
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.........Will they be given adequate time to see it through?
Not sure how anyone can question my reasoning on that????
If past performance is truly indicative of the future, then no, they won't be given sufficient time. However, I believe this go-round will be different. I think JH will show the patience, but the real question is whether Hue can handle the pressure through this growing period and want to stay...
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There needs to be someone with a strong background in judging football talent added to the team.
So then mac, you believe that Hue, the scouts, et al, are not capable of this?
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There needs to be someone with a strong background in judging football talent added to the team.
So then mac, you believe that Hue, the scouts, et al, are not capable of this?
Understand this...Sashi is a lawyer...Depodesta is a baseball guy. Looking at examples of their judgement, passing on Wentz, Prescott...taking Kessler..I'm not comfortable with their judgement of QB talent.
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You're judging them for not taking Prescott?
Didn't he have a DUI or something in college?
You honestly expected them to take Prescott after the circus we JUST had to go through with Manziel?
Jeez.
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You're judging them for not taking Prescott?
Didn't he have a DUI or something in college?
You honestly expected them to take Prescott after the circus we JUST had to go through with Manziel?
Jeez.
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Yea he was found not guilty.
And at the end of the day, I still don't blame the FO for wanting to dodge that potential situation.
And I case you forgot, he was found not guilty AFTER the draft in July. He was arrested in March right?
The FO had no reason to think he was gonna be found not guilty.
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Well, the FO certainly doesn't look good with the Wentz situation right now. It could change, but yesterday was not a good look
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Swish..he was not drunk.
The guy had a drink hours before he was pulled over..the officer admitted there was no smell of liquor coming from Prescott or from his passenger or in the car. Two breath test registered no reading.
...and you are ready to hang the guy, because he was pulled over for speeding and no evidence of dui.
Swish says Prescott is guilty...just like many who did not check into the facts of the case.
All our lawyer GM had to do was pick of the telephone and call Prescott's lawyer...but no, he has to guilty, right?
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Well, the FO certainly doesn't look good with the Wentz situation right now. It could change, but yesterday was not a good look Lets not forget he was playing against the Browns Defense Yesterday.
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Call it what you want, but I don't blame the FO one bit for not taking a flyer on a guy who just got arrested.
He's was founded not guilty AFTER the draft.
So good for him for not being drunk. But we weren't the only team passing the guy up.
ill blame the FO for selecting bust in the first three rounds when it comes to that. But guys fourth round and up?
You're fishing for things to complain about now.
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Well, the FO certainly doesn't look good with the Wentz situation right now. It could change, but yesterday was not a good look Lets not forget he was playing against the Browns Defense Yesterday. No doubt. But it still looks way better on the Philly side right now than on our side. Wentz passed a first hurdle. Now he'll have to continue to obviously.
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I know many believe the Browns will be in a position to draft the best QB in the 2017 draft. It's early, but I don't see a qb worthy of being drafted first overall in next year's draft. I do like some of the qbs in the following draft, but Watson doesn't do it for me.
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To twist the knife in a little deeper, just remember who has been spending a ton of time with him coaching him up and teaching him.
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Well, the FO certainly doesn't look good with the Wentz situation right now. It could change, but yesterday was not a good look Lets not forget he was playing against the Browns Defense Yesterday. Yeah, that's exactly it. People already crowning him but he played a bottom five, if not the very bottom, defense this league has to offer. Petey, I haven't forgot about our bet about our defense lol.
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Life was definitely made easy for him yesterday by playing us, but the little bit I've seen of videos from yesterday's game, he looked as described - patient, poised, relaxed. The game was not too big or too fast for him. He was making lots of solid throws. Some questionable decisions, but being that it was against our defense and he made good throws, it worked for him.
Definitely not enough to anoint anything, but it's enough to pay attention a little bit more.
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Call it what you want, but I don't blame the FO one bit for not taking a flyer on a guy who just got arrested.
Look at everyone that "stereotyped" Prescott...even you swish.
Hopefully everyone who passed over Prescott because they thought he was guilty...swish, I hope you and everyone who judged Prescott without the facts...hope they all learned a lesson.
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Learned a lesson in what?
You acting like he actually won the game yesterday.
The guy was a fourth rounder for a reason. If he ends up being good, great for the Cowboys.
I'm not gonna judge the FO on a fourth rounder.
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You just prefer Kessler over Dak because Kessler is white.
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Call it what you want, but I don't blame the FO one bit for not taking a flyer on a guy who just got arrested.
Look at everyone that "stereotyped" Prescott...even you swish.
Hopefully everyone who passed over Prescott because they thought he was guilty...swish, I hope you and everyone who judged Prescott without the facts...hope they all learned a lesson. Mac, if only Sashi had called Prescott's lawyer! I bet Sashi is kicking himself for that. You know what I'm saying?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Mac, if only Sashi had called Prescott's lawyer! I bet Sashi is kicking himself for that. You know what I'm saying?
Fact is...lets be honest...the entire NFL stereotyped Prescott...maybe with the exception of the Cowboys.
It would be interesting to interview Prescott's lawyer to see if any of the franchises contacted him to get the details of the DUI.
All Browns fans can hope for is that our front office learns from their mistakes.
I still believe that our front office is "incomplete", with a baseball guy and a lawyer making the decisions on personnel...just not enough football experience between these two guys.
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The guy was a fourth rounder for a reason. If he ends up being good, great for the Cowboys.
I'm not gonna judge the FO on a fourth rounder.
Prescott was a 4th rounder because the entire NFL stereotyped him and branded him as "guilty"...just like Johnny Manziel.
Problem is, Dak was nothing like Manziel and if NFL teams did their homework, they would have realized Prescott is an accomplished QB with an academic resume second to none. Prescott finished school with a 4 yr degree in Psychology and stayed a 5th year, getting a "masters degree".
...DOES THAT SOUND LIKE ANOTHER JOHNNY FREAKING FOOTBALL, SWISH?
The Browns Harvard educated/moneyballing front office not only missed on Wentz...they whiffed big time on their 3rd round pick and not taking Prescott.
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Call it what you want, but I don't blame the FO one bit for not taking a flyer on a guy who just got arrested.
Look at everyone that "stereotyped" Prescott...even you swish.
Hopefully everyone who passed over Prescott because they thought he was guilty...swish, I hope you and everyone who judged Prescott without the facts...hope they all learned a lesson. Dak admitted making a bad decision. Our legal system is based upon innocence until guilt is proven. So he wasn't declared innocent. The cop wasn't qualified with his radar gun. Since the breathalyzer came after a stop the officer wasn't supposed to make everything that followed came into question giving reasonable doubt. Could we have taken it as an aberration of his otherwise good character and drafted him anyways? Sure, but to say he was stereotyped and completely blameless is a mischaracterization.
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totally agree on the Prescott choice... don't know who had the final say but to take Kessler over him was a major blunder, possible DUI notwithstanding.
Now passing Wentz, I get that, we need to tear this thing down and build it back... Putting Wentz on this team would ruin him... we all know we have done that before.
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Prescott has played in one real NFL game and was pretty bad.
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Prescott has played in one real NFL game and was pretty bad.
This ^ ^ And I'll judge Wenz after he faces a pro defense. Things are bad but throwing this front office/coaching staff under the bus is way premature.
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Prescott has played in one real NFL game and was pretty bad.
This ^ ^ And I'll judge Wenz after he faces a pro defense. Things are bad but throwing this front office/coaching staff under the bus is way premature. Remember, we passed on Akili Smith to take Tim Couch. In Akili's first game against the Browns, he played well and beat us. He didn't go on to win a Super Bowl or land in the HOF. So yeah, we should wait to judge Wentz. 
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Things are bad but throwing this front office/coaching staff under the bus is way premature.
They all got schooled by the Eagles front office then our defense was schooled by a Rookie QB. And the Eagles coaching schooled our coaching staff. Who cares how they do against other teams. The handed us our butts.
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Prescott has played in one real NFL game and was pretty bad.
Does mac know this?
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I didn't think that he played bad.
The Giants defense is the real deal this year and The Cowboys could have won that game if not for a couple of bone-headed WR's not getting out of bounds.
He also had two guys drop passes in the end-zone. He was a QB that should have sat this year, but since Romo got hurt they were forced to play him.
All things considered, he is further along in his development than Manziel was in the last game that he played with us.
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He averaged five yards per pass attempt. That is dreadful. It also means the team does not trust him to do anything.
We know nothing about Prescott.
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are you saying Swish is racist?
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Prescott showed tremendous poise and leadership. There were plenty of drops.
I am not saying he is great, but to say he played bad is misleading.
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And Zeke could only manage 2.5 yards a carry so they had to ask a rookie in his first game to throw 45 passes.
I'm not saying that he is an All-Pro just yet, but if I'm the Head Coach, I would be pretty happy about that kid's week one performance considering that he was drafted to be a project.
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I wonder what the injury to RG3 does to the front offices future plan for the Browns at QB?
I was worried about the OL protecting RG3 from being injured..turns out, no one could protect RG3 from himself. I feel bad for the guy playing in his first game back and ending up on the IR.
This front office has to consider what their future plans are for addressing the QB position. Do the Browns put all their money on RG3 to return as the future franchise QB for the Browns? If the guy can't stay on the football field, kind of hard to justify a future plan that relies on RG3, imo.
But hey, wonder what the "analytics" tell the stat boys...this was just a fluke injury?...likelyhood of RG3 being injured again isn't likely?
Something analytics may not tell our front office that I will share with them...if your QB isn't comfortable throwing from the pocket and he runs rather than passing the ball or throwing the ball away, the probability of your QB being injured and out of action goes up dramatically.
...example: Tony Romo, Robert Griffin
...but hey, I'm not a Harvard grad so what do I know.
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