DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The Browns Front Office....still not ready for prime time..(imo)

You have to understand that Mac has hindsight 20/20 vision and he seeks to bash management at every turn. Especially managers who went to Harvard. That is even a bonus in his mind.

It is WAY too early to judge the draft, let alone the trade. How do you know we don't take a HOF player with the Eggles #1 pick next year? How do you know Wentz won't throw 5 picks next week? Until every pick has been taken and the players have enough time to develop we won't know if that trade was good or bad. The trade is Schrödinger's cat.

Why the hell is where these guys went to school a problem? If they went to Harvard it likely indicates they are intelligent. Gee, an intelligent front office seems a fine idea to me. I have no problem with them until they start showing they aren't intelligent. There isn't enough data to form a conclusion either way. Nor will there be for some time....

Between your posts in the GameDay chat and this recent post, I want to know who you are and what you've done with the real SpiritBro.

Ytown,

here's what makes me think he'll give this group the time it needs. Jimmy spent a significant amount of time this go around exploring his options and putting this group together. I think he originally intended to let Lombard and Banner run the show but despite their success as individuals, it clearly wasn't a good coupling. I do believe that Jimmy erred and swung the opposite direction, going form minimally hands on to hands in the cookie jar. Especially considering how we didn't have the pick of the litter when it came to coaching staffs hence hiring Pettin et al. I also believe that in dealing with Pet farm he realized two things: 1) THAT situation wasn't going to work out and 2) he was in over his head.

It's why he sought out a guy like DePo. I'm sure Sashi probably was right about things Farmer was wrong about and it's why he's here still.

And look at who we hired. Given the reputation of this organization, there is NO WAY we sign Hue, considered one of the top candidates unless Jimmy is not only able to convince him we have something legit in place, but to show it. Follow that up with Horton coming back.

I hate all this change as much as the next Dawg, but I'm not buying that Haslam made all these changes because he's fickle rather than because they were ultimately necessary.

Wow, you seem to have an issue with educated people or "Harvard Grads" anyway. lol

Seriously though Mac, RG3 was a low risk high reward experiment. IF he returned to former form then QB issue solved, if not then the plan has always been to build a supporting cast before we select our QB in the draft. We may not take a QB next year either...

I think it all depends on our opportunities in the draft, risk/versus reward and what does it cost us, how the potential picks grade out, and finding the right QB for our system.

We basically have no identity right now on either side of the ball. We don't know yet what our teams strengths are, what are weaknesses are, who we need to build around and who needs to go... Why would we want to wreck another rookie QB until some of the questions are answered?

I don't think the "Harvard Grads" are stupid by a long shot. I just think they are being very practical in their decisions and taking a conservative less orthodox approach to building the team. They are certainly not the chickens running around with their heads chopped off that we've had in years past.

If we don't give them 4-5 years to do this without second guessing every little move, then we are the stupid ones. After all that's the real problem with the Browns in a nut shell.

And like every fan you have very strong opinions and have earned the right to have those opinions with your hard earned money being spent on this team. Yet at the end of the day, if you were an expert at any of this, you would be working in the NFL not following it as a fan...
But what do I know I am just a fan too.

You all bash mac at every turn, but have you ever looked in the mirror?

I don't agree w/all of mac's takes, but man, you guys who defend and praise each and every move the FO makes are even more ludicrous.

Let's look at what you are debating/poking fun at.

Who has a better team right now? The Browns or the Cowboys?

Did the Browns take Kessler before the Cowboys took Dak?

Which guy is actually far enough along to take the starting job?

Uhmmmmm.........I really don't get your logic, other than the typical bullying style of the homers who make fun of anyone who dares question ANY of the moves the current FO makes.

LOL.........you should write fantasy stories.

We'll see what YOU are saying next year.

Don't forget mac's other point. Sashi never called Dak's lawyer to learn the true story on Dak. I heard a rumor that Sashi was asked this question in private and his response was quite perplexing. He said he didn't have Dak's lawyer's number. How could a Harvard grad, fellow lawyer not have Dak's lawyer's humber?! Everyone knows all lawyers know each other and have all other lawyers numbers. On the oft chance that Sashi forgot, he could have used Google. He could have even paid for one of those services where you can get private information on people. But the problem with those is they cost money...likely tens of dollars. There's no way Haslam has that kind of money after his mess with Pilot Flying J. I'm sure Haslam would never approve that req form if Sashi indeed submitted it. No way!

I am not bashing Mac, nor defending the FO at every turn. I was one who wanted to take Wentz and not look back.

I don't know if he is the guy or not. What I do know is we don't have a long term answer at QB and still need to draft one. It takes those QBs a few years to finally get it going, thus, we are at least a year away from being a few years away from a possible answer.

I am not agreeing w/mac. I am simply tired of how many gang-up on him and act like EVERY point he makes is ludicrous and then they turn around and say that the FO is making solid moves. Sorry Rish.........I've seen this movie before.

Heck, perhaps we can replay some of the conversations we had last year. You know, when certain nameless posters blasted anyone who criticized Farmer and Pet. Things change w/time, son.

Those may be the questions that you think we are arguing with mac, but they're really not. If that's all he was saying, there would be next to nothing to argue with. Mac is making it out that everyone is stupid for not looking into "the facts" of Dak's case and not drafting him in the first round. He's intimating that Jerry Jones is a genius who saw the truth, and not a guy that knew he needed a backup for Romo and took a 4th round shot on a guy with both questions and upside. He keeps insisting that Dak did nothing wrong when the sequence of events on the night of his DUI charge and following don't really support that. He's twisting the fact of a "not guilty" verdict into a lot more than it is to suit his narrative.

Yes, the Cowboys are better than the Browns. No one is arguing otherwise.

Yes, both QBs were drafted in the mid rounds with Kessler coming first. No one is debating that either.

Yes, with more reps and a better line in front of him, Dak has looked further along than Kessler. That's also not being argued.

Trying to point out that Dak wasn't a first ballot hall of famer nor some innocent victim of prejudice going into the Draft is somehow bullying him?

LOL. But do you have Sashi's so you can call him and give it to him? I mean it's a little late but you can rub it in his face. Actually, you can think of it as a job interview.