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I didn't ignore your post but it was a run around my question, and since you were donating before the protest really didn't inspire you until your last post then it inspired you to donate more...I'm always willing to help people that help themselves.

October 16, 1995.
Million Man March, political demonstration in Washington, D.C., on Oct. 16, 1995, to promote African American unity and family values.

Data shows that 93 percent of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks.

There were almost 6,000 blacks killed by other blacks in 2015.

72 Percent Of Black Kids Raised By Single Parent, 25% Overall In U.S.(2013)

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7441/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler

Did the march work? Unity and family values?

I'm sure it helps.

I know the first time I've ever seen it in 95, I was a really young, like 7 or 8.

I actually understood what it was when I was a teen. And it helps because you see that people actually care.

So I'm sure it's inspired plenty of other people. Slowly but surely.

Has it inspired you to make peace with the police?

That takes more dialogue in mass. As I explained before. Going up to an individual cop isnt going to do much.

For example, Devil is probably an excellent cop, right?

But devil being a good cop did what to stop the cops for searching me for drugs?

So it has to be a community outreach effort. I can't make peace with one cop knowing that no policies and regulations have changed. So if I make peace with a cop just for it to happen again, what did that really do?

That's the whole point. Policies and regulations changing.

We can't be the only ones that change. Everybody involved has to.

I guess it's easier to have trust issues with police if you are breaking the law most criminals feel that way.

Trust can only happen when there is honest communication between both sides.

You are manipulating things to fit into your point of view. I gotta side w/Swish on this one.

I have a problem w/this. I have taught blacks for years. I have done a ton of community service.

Are there a lot of idiot black people doing what you are saying? Yes, but the majority of them are hard-working folks just trying to find a better place in our country............you know..........just like white folks.

I think it is a huge mistake when your side classifies blacks into one big group.

I think it is a mistake when some blacks try to classify all whites into one big group.

I think it is a mistake when anyone tries to label any particular group and refuses to look at each person w/in that group as an individual.

OK

That's where the media should be. We get too much of the bad stuff on tv and not any good stuff.

So wouldn't that be the place Kap should be using his celebrity to get media attention drawn to that than kneeling on TV during the National Anthem?

Vambo, what exactly do you do to help the situation?

As an ex-Marine, I don't like how he's going about this. Don't know what else to say about it.

Yeah, that is what I thought.

So, who the hell are you to judge others for their lack of involvement?

Stop Swish, you're making me blush lol

I'd like to think I'm who any of you guys would want to come if you had to call 911 or got pulled over for some reason.

I understand what Vambo is trying to get at: for all of the attention this issue has gotten, has it actually spurred people to action? I think it is a valid question.

But I'm going to go to bat for Swish on this one. I think that what a lot of people have forgotten under all this noise, you don't have to make any kind of grand gesture in order to spur change or make a difference. IN fact I think often times the massive grand gestures can be counterproductive because the person doing it has to stand up to scrutiny. IMO Kap has not been successful in this because the majority of the conversation has been about whether or not Vets have been insulted by it. His piggy socks were the last comments about racial oppression made in all of this.

Where as we've seen how a simple gesture of sitting at a lunch counter in a small southern town can create more than ripples and spur people to action.

Nothing will ever make how some of you Dawgs have been treated by police in the past. There is no law or policy change that can change or make it right because when it comes down to it, what happens when you are face to face is what shapes our beliefs and opinions.

Despite the disagreements and butting heads, I'm confident in my belief that guys like Swish, Clem, Lurker, CHS, Rocket et al are a bunch of good dudes. A couple weeks ago Swish posted about having bought a cop his coffee after he forgot his wallet because he sympathized with him as just another person getting his fix to make it through the day. He didn't need some famous person to inspire him to do that and honestly I'm glad for that. I think not only the gesture but why he made the gesture shows what kind of guy he is.

I think it's those short interactions that ultimately have a bigger impact and bring about change more effectively than a bunch of people with a bullhorn telling us how we're supposed to think, feel, and act.

I agree.

It's always been like that.

People don't change when they get preached to. They change when they are personally effected by an interchange with another human being.

It's why I go to the trouble of telling my long-winded life stories in here: to give others a glimpse into another's life, and to provide some context for my social and political views.

My favorite day-to-day moments are when I can pleasantly surprise someone who may have assumed things about me from my appearance. I always walk away from those encounters thinking: "I hope (s)he tells someone about this."

One of my best 'casual chat buds' is a police officer who moonlights security at the concert hall. He's always in uniform, so I assume he's working OT through an arrangement between the Symph and the local constabulary. We've been chatting it up for the better part of 20 years now. Quick hellos when I'm coming in/10 minute chats on my way out. When we first met, he was pleasant, but "arm's length." I started saving up jokes, and hitting him with them in the parking lot before rehearsals. I knew we'd turned a corner when he hit me back with one (humor has always been a great ice-breaker). We've been getting to know each other a little bit more over the years. He hasn't asked me about ANY of the 'TV news stuff,' and I haven't volunteered anything either, BUT: if the subject ever came up, I'd offer to sit down with Wes over a couple beers and talk at any time. That might be the moment when I reveal to him that I am the son of a cop.... he doesn't know that about me, because it was never important to our relationship.

I enjoyed this post of yours.
It makes me want to share a table and a couple of beers.

You won't hear much from the press about this either.

http://www.people.com/article/dr-oz-brings-mothers-movement-mothers-slain-officers-together

Mothers of the Movement and Mothers of Slain Police Officers Come Together with Dr. Oz to Speak about Violence

True that is basically what my point was but I would like to apologize to swish or anyone else I may have offended or tick off it was not my intention.

you certainly didn't tick me off. your questions were viable questions.

i just hope you understand now that it's not a one sided thing. both sides have to take responsibility and work for change.

I hope they will, hats off to you and others for their efforts.

Taking action is important.... but one guy goes back and helps one kid... or 5 kids... or 10 kids... that's great, but getting a hundred million people talking about it is good too and can have an impact on a much larger scale.

Why does the preacher preach? Why does he/she stand in front of a congregation and preach the virtues of charity and giving to a room of 500? Why doesn't he/she just go feed some hungry people? Because the 500 can do much more than the 1 alone.

Why did MLK hold marches with thousands of people? Why didn't he hold 1 on 1 sessions with politicians and young black men to try to get change? Because being out in public is important... because creating a broad awareness is important...

There is more power in numbers and these guys have the platform to rally those numbers to create much bigger change than they could make doing it alone. Should they still get involved in poor neighborhoods? Abso-freakin'-lutely... but that's not all they can do.

If you want to create change, we all have a job to do.. their job might be to create visibility, yours to run a program in SC, mine to coach up some at-risk kids at our church in basketball and life skills.. to win the battle you need all levels of people involved..

Do it in Canada, Special K. Favor the message and detest the means. JMO.

Not replying to anyone in particular

But I read today that Brandon Marshall and The Denver PD chief had an hour long sit down meeting today.

So yeah, bringing attention to the issue surely helps

This may be the one time in Stephen a Smiths life where he talks about something truly interesting-

https://mobile.twitter.com/TerryLee__/status/776091711147679744/video/1

I for one did not know about this. That was REAL sports journalism.

Interesting.

Let to the commissioner from a Marine Colonel real hero's

he has his right to his opinion.

i also have a right to call his letter crap.

I'm gonna pull the same thing other people pull when blacks complain.

if you don't like the fact that people around the country aren't required to stand for the flag, then move to a country that does.

I hear North Korea is a awesome place to be. Maybe Russia. Since him and the rest of his ideology love to praise commie's lately.

Sorry mox,, this isn't anything directed toward you, but to that letter West wrote.

Who the hell is he to try and define what a 'hero' is?

Some of the greatest people I've ever looked up to were athletes. both my parents, as well as my grandfather did 20 years in the army.

I did 8 years and 4 deployments.

And guess what? When I was young, I didn't ask for a damn army uniform to walk around in public.

I asked for a northcutt jersey. A lebron jersey. A Jim thome jersey. A Garcia jersey(please don't start guys, I was a teen).

athletes from every sport are my heros. Love watching the Messi/Ronaldo rivalry in soccer.

Kylie and lebron are my heros because they ended the title drought in cleveland. Ask anybody who goes downtown on the regular. The city vibe just feels different. It matters.

But the point is that just because you're heros might be soldiers, doesn't mean we aren't allowed to view athletes as heros.

I love military people sharing experience. What I don't love is military people acting high and mighty like they're the only ones who matter.

For somebody who 'fought' for our freedoms, he sure is trying to limit what freedoms were allowed to express.

Flawed.

You like to constantly point out that you served your country like that gives your opinion a little more regard.. So I believe a letter from a Colonel carries a little weight...
Also there's a lot of people this is offending and so many more things that could have been done to make a protest... This protest is in ways hurting the bottom line of the NFL so that is another reason this should not be allowed from an employer
For the record since you like to point out you're a veteran... So was I but I don't use it to make my points

I point it out so you understand my experiences.

I've said over and over, I don't point it out for sympathy, I don't point it out for thanks,

And I sure as hell don't point it out to feel superior over anybody.

However he feels superior over athletes.

And I point out my experiences when we're discussing foreign policy issues. I don't use it to get on some pedestal over a topic that has NOTHING to do with the military. Like this letter.

I don't agree with that at all.

Having a freedom to do something doesn't mean you should do it ... I believe having the wisdom to know better is more important..

It's a lot better than trying to make anything a requirement.

I'll take freedom over government mandated patriotism.

I think he is Superior to Athletes .... I'm sure you just come across this way and actually are pretty loyal and a great guy but everything you post makes you come across like you have an authority complex

He's superior to athletes based off what?

He isn't superior to anybody. No matter what their profession is.

And how is it an authority complex to NOT want government mandated patriotism?

I don't want it to be a requirement but simply knowing when to remain silent is golden..

Talking Authority Complex on everything you say.. Whether it be how the police are out to get you and taking the side of every protest coming and going.. You come across like everyone is out to get you

I too was harassed by the police growing up but that leaves me with no ill regard to police

Protest is our right as Americans.

As much as I don't agree with them, the tea party has a right to protest.

And stay silent? Why? Again, who are you or anybody else to tell anybody to stay silent?

Maybe Allen west should've stayed silent with this letter. But I don't hear you suggesting that, right?

And you didn't answer the question. Why do you think west is superior to athletes?

Is he superior to you?

You are trying to talk sense to a guy who blames whites and our government for all of his own deficiencies. Not worth the time.