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Trump +5 nationally according to Rasmussen Reports. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...use_watch_sep22

Scott Adams: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150772972746/how-to-know-an-election-is-over



I wouldn't say it's over yet, there is still a long way to go and a lot can happen. Yet, he has been more accurate than all the professionals in predicting the election thus far, so I wouldn't discount what he says entirely just because he's the cartoon guy.

you need to chill out with these polls, man:

Hillary Clinton has massive lead over Donald Trump in major national poll

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/hillary-clinton-massive-lead-over-213258654.html

Hillary Clinton kept her large lead in the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll Wednesday, holding a 6-point advantage over Donald Trump in a four-way race.

In the prior two installments of the four-way NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, which included Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson and Green Party nominee Jill Stein, Clinton held a 9-point lead in early August and a 6-point lead in mid-July.

"Despite arguably the worst few weeks of her candidacy, the fundamentals still point toward a Hillary Clinton victory," said Democratic pollster Fred Yang of Hart Research Associates, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Bill McInturff of Public Opinion Strategies.

"Donald Trump has closed the margin since August, but as we head towards the debate, still needs to push this campaign closer," McInturff added. "The good news for him is the electorate narrowly agrees with him that America has lost ground and wants to see a change in direction."

The poll was conducted Friday to Monday, with 1,000 registered voters polled. The margin of error is 3.1 percentage points.

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how about we just chill out until the debates. any of us can find any poll from any source and go "omg see!! he/she is winning!!"

Uh oh, Trump's boy is about to feel it!!

Mayor: I lied about Bridgegate for fear of Christie payback

http://nypost.com/2016/09/21/mayor-i-lied-about-bridgegate-for-fear-of-christie-payback/

Fort Lee’s mayor testified Wednesday that he lied when he insisted in a letter to a New Jersey newspaper that the George Washington Bridge lane closures weren’t an act of political payback — because he “was petrified of further retribution” from Gov. Chris Christie.

“My responsibility is the safety of my community. We had a billion-dollar redevelopment that took 40 years to get off the ground,” Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich told Newark federal jurors when asked about his November 2013 op-ed in the Star-Ledger of Newark, in which he denied he’d been targeted for refusing to endorse Christie.

“We were finally in the middle of it,” he said. “I was petrified of further retribution.”

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Under cross-examination, Sokolich said Christie was one of the people he feared would retaliate against him.

“They include the governor of the state of NJ,” he said. “All we needed was further retribution that would add further to the standstill.”

Sokolich said that as a “local mayor,” he didn’t realize there would be a federal investigation into the infamous lane closures.

“I didn’t want Fort Lee and myself, all by ourselves, there facing retribution and getting beat up,” he explained. “I didn’t know what sort of things could happen and I didn’t want to find out.”

‘I didn’t want Fort Lee and myself, all by ourselves, there facing retribution and getting beat up. I didn’t know what sort of things could happen and I didn’t want to find out.’
- Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich
Sokolich testified at the trial of Bill Baroni, the former deputy executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, and Bridget Anne Kelly, a former top Christie aid. They’ve been charged with arranging the 2013 lane closures, which snarled traffic at the busy bridge.

PA Executive Director Pat Foye — who ordered the reopening of the lanes after four days — testified that Baroni asked him to close them again.

“Bill asked for the lanes to be closed and said the issue was important to Trenton,” Foye told jurors. “I took that to be the Governor’s Office. This was often the way the New Jersey Governor’s ­Office was referred to.”

Foye testified that when he refused, Baroni warned, “Trenton may call.”

Earlier, the Bridgegate defense team presented Sokolich’s letter to the Star-Ledger, showing that he denied the lane closures were punishment by the Christie administration for his failure to support the governor’s re-election.

“In September of 2013 you are writing letters that you are being punished and on November 14th, sending out the word you are not being punished,” Kelly defense attorney Michael Critchley said.

“Which is the lie?” Critchley asked.

“You just read it,” Sokolich replied.

The Fort Lee mayor also said that Christie finally apologized to him months after the shutdown — but only in front of a throng of reporters.

So this admitted liar is lying again only now you believe him?

I also just finished watching a video of a kid getting thrown out of class for being a Trump supporter.
Another Democrat for Democracy?

College or otherwise.

That would be a bad day for the person who did that to my son.

I have a Trump bumper sticker and I would love to stick it on some Liberals bumper and let him drive around.

Was the student in college or,otherwise?

First, Christie closed that bridge 40, you know it.

Second, Swish Clinton is getting crushed by Trump right now. She was/is a terrible candidate. She always loses in the home stretch after having a big lead. Dems earned this.

No Choice Again 2016.

Must be college because he said he paid for the course.

You say he closed the bridge, the facts say he didn't. But I know where facts get us these days.

I clicked the link to read that article and also clicked the link referenced above and watched the Clinton video.

Whenever she talks serious, like she did in that video, I can't help getting the feeling that she's bitching at me. I really hope I'm not forced to listen to her talk over the next four years.

I am curious why people seem fine with Trump coming across stern, bullish and angry. His supporters view it that he is "strong and wont back down". However, when Clinton talks with a tough, steely spine those same supporters call her a "b...." and want her to soften up. Funny how things work differently for males and females.

I notch it up as more evidence of Republicans being frightened by a strong, powerful woman.

You can notch it up however you like but she's still a spiteful witch that will make our lives hell.

And take our wallets when we ain't lookin.'

...and Trump is your savior?

I bet many of the same people who dislike Hillary and/or like Trump also think highly of Ann Coulter, Condoleezza Rice, Sarah Palin, etc.

We heard similar things about how the only reason people couldn't like Obama was because he is black. Yet those same people seem to be quite high on Ben Carson, David Clarke, and others.

Maybe it is time to stop making everything out to be about race and gender. Seriously, it gets old after a while.

or, they are the tokens who happen to agree your point of view.

that way you can go "see!! see!! the black guy thinks like me!! so it MUST be true!!"

your favorite phrase: confirmation bias. because far too often, you guys will praise the FEW like that sheriff because he agrees with you, and the slam the majority of blacks because they DON'T agree with you.

happens every. single. time.

Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin? Come on, dude....we may disagree politically but, I respect you more than that. Neither of these ladies come close to the intelligence, class or respect that Rice has. They shouldn't even be in the same sentence with Rice.

Condoleezza is incredibly intelligent. If the Republicans could talk her into running I think a lot of Democrats and even liberals would have much greater respect for the party. Instead they wheel out Palin, Santorum, Carson, Cruz and Trump (to name a few).

Rice is too smart to run and deal with the crap. She would be president in a heartbeat.

I was never a fan of Palin and thought she was a bad choice politically at the time. That's kind of beside the point though. You said that you think Republicans are frightened by a strong, powerful woman, and Sarah Palin is an example of a politician that a lot of Republican/Tea Party types really liked. That fact is hard to reconcile with your statement.

I simply want the best person for a job. In this case that means the presidency, but that also applies for any other job. Just hire the best person without regard for race, gender, religion, or anything else. That is all I ask for, and my opinion is that Hillary is, at best, the 4th best candidate in the presidential race.

So the Black people I like are tokens?

Is that like Ben Carson who speaks like an educated adult but since he is Black he must be an Uncle Tom as you called him?

You make life hard and confusing.

I agree, Eve. Question is...would she run as a Republican? Maybe, to return some respect to the party.

Question...has she come out publicly about how she feels about Trump as the nominee? Is she voting for Clinton as Bush apparently is?

Rice would get called a RINO if she ran today.

A center right candidate wasn't coming out of the Republican primaries this election cycle.

My definition of strong and powerful includes intelligence. I have never heard Palin speak where I have thought "wow, she is really bright". Rice, however, yep...she is confident, strong, powerful and incredibly bright. If she ran a lot of people on both sides of the political spectrum would take note.

Ok.... I agree... but this completely contradicts what you said about Republicans being frightened by a strong, powerful woman. I will give an alternative explanation: maybe it's just that Hillary Clinton is an awful candidate.

No matter where you stand I don't think anybody can say Clinton isn't clever. Intellectually she runs circuits around Palin. She is intelligent, confident and powerful. She has a spine of steel and wont flinch on their witch hunts. The Republican male, in particular, is scared poopless of her.

Obama has been subjected to the same behavior that we are seeing play out against Clinton.

Politics are nasty. I wish it were not like that, even if I get caught up in it from time to time.

Bush, Obama, Hillary, and Trump have all had an unbelievable amount of hostility directed at them. It is what it is. We should all try to be mindful of that and realize that 'the other side' probably isn't as bad as what we make it out to be.

I look at the condition of our crumbling society today and the 52 million dead Americans who never had a chance in life and I say Hogwash, they are worse and more destructive than any foreign enemy we have ever faced.

I think Bush deserves his as he has blood on his hands by taking us to war on false pretenses and he also wasted billions of dollars doing so.

Trump tends to put his foot in his mouth so often that he kinda walks smack into the face of hostility on his own accord.



Fair point, brother. I'd have a beer with you at the pub and talk politics. We might not agree on everything but, you are reasonable and your replies are insightful.

Ahhh, I remember my days of trying to be a reasonable moderate and both sides hating me.

In all seriousness, I do have some thoughts for both of your posts but I was out most of the evening and had a long night. Maybe tomorrow (maybe.)

So, when a man acts like a man he gets accolades, but when a woman tries to act like a man she gets called a "b....". Funny how things work differently for males and females.

Men and women show their power and strength in different ways.

If she would act and come across as a strong and powerful woman I'd appreciate that in her. However, I don't think she is a strong, powerful woman. I think she believes that if she shows a stern face and a bitchy voice it makes her appear strong and powerful. It doesn't.

That Sheriff got paid $150,000 in speaking fees during 2015 to basically slam black people. His department is actually under investigation for dehydrating a prisoner to death.

Question for everyone, do you think political ads work anymore? I question how well ads in general work anymore. I feel that we've all trained our brains to block out ads. We see through BS negative ads as what they are. I think it's because most of us are so spammed with ads during sporting events that we don't even give them a second thought. We post on sites like these during commercial breaks, talk with friends / family or just check our phones / tablets periodically.

We DVR everything and fast foward the ads

Insurance
beer
cars
military
viagra
pizza
cable / satellite
phones

Anything I'm missing commercial wise?

kitty litter commercials.

those are always fun.

I gotta admit, pet commercials are the ONLY kind that will get me to watch fully. They sucker me with dogs.

Same here GM. I only pause for the Hardees commercials with the half naked women. Man they make a good burger. lol

I don't think they change anybody's mind. I think they only serve to reinforce that which we already believe.

If your candidate runs an attack ad, you think, "Yea, go get'em.. " If the opponent runs an attack ad, you think, "Look at that lying piece of crap talk about my candidate."