"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
There are some things that drive me nuts. One of them is being discussed on this thread. It's a generic statement that is short-sighted and wrong.
You can coach guys to get a lot better at "reading defenses" pre-snap. Tendencies, down and distance, formations, time of the game, etc can be examined and give a qb an edge in making the right calls at the LOS.
However, reading coverages post-snap isn't taught. You can either do it or you can't. That's why you hear about certain QBs who hold the ball too long and others who throw w/anticipation. It's a processing skill rather than an accumulation of knowledge.
Btw---------RGIII had the Shannys, Gruden, and Hue. All of them are highly regarded qb and offensive minds.
Actually post snap reads are more instinct than anything else and is HIGHLY influenced by the QB's ability to read the defense presnap. He only has time to see if one or two guys on defense did what he thought they would. He then has to trust his receiver ahead of time that he will win and be where he wants to send the ball.
So time in the same system where he KNOWS his receiver will be where they should be and TRUST that they will win that fight for the spot Is crucial because many times they are throwing on blind instinct and that split second of open space. There is no lengthy analysis that happens after the snap. There isn't time for all that.
Knowing how to red the defense presnap is one of the most crucial skills a QB can have any many in the NFL are only OK at it. The great ones are excellent at it and they didn't start that way. They had to learn it through years of study and game experience. Peyton Manning is a prime example of it. He sucked when he first came out so he studied defenses like a madman until he was insanely good at it. It just doesn't happen over night.
You can't fix stupid but you can destroy ignorance. When you destroy ignorance you remove the justifications for evil. If you want to destroy evil then educate our people. Hate is a tool of the stupid to deal with what they can't understand.
It's not just about knowing where the receiver will be. It is also about understanding what the defense is doing. A lot of teams switch coverages post-snap. Many qbs have trouble processing what they are seeing in such a short time. Thus, you have guys who "hold the ball too long" and others who throw on time and/or w/anticipation.
I did not make my earlier post to criticize anyone. I meant to educate. Heck, even on the radio and on TV, people try and lump reading defenses into one big package and that simply isn't the way it works.
It's not just about knowing where the receiver will be. It is also about understanding what the defense is doing. A lot of teams switch coverages post-snap. Many qbs have trouble processing what they are seeing in such a short time. Thus, you have guys who "hold the ball too long" and others who throw on time and/or w/anticipation.
I did not make my earlier post to criticize anyone. I meant to educate. Heck, even on the radio and on TV, people try and lump reading defenses into one big package and that simply isn't the way it works.
I kind of agree, but it can be taught and it can get better. Some guys can't ever think fast enough and it will never get better though.
Let's say pre-snap you see cover 2. Right before the snap you might get a clue of something different if you see a safety or corner creeping up that it might be something different. It takes a quick scan to confirm that you are right and that is cover 2 if don't see a clue right before the snap. Both corners should have their backs toward the sideline and the WR to their inside and both safeties should be back pedaling. The best QB's can read all 4 DB's and confirm in less than a second. If it isn't cover 2, one of those reads will tell you what the coverage is.
So if your QB doesn't, then you have to coach by showing him film and literally stop the tape and have him make the pre-snap read and tell you what his post snap reads should be and then start the tape and have him call it out as quick as he can. This will get easier now with the VR headsets because you can put one of those on him and stop the tape himself once he makes the post snap read. That gives you a read time.
The guys that struggle the most have a hard time figuring out what it is when the pre-snap read and the post snap read don't match or sometimes they make the post snap read okay but are slow at remembering what they are supposed to do for that particular read. You can speed that up with repetition with a lot of guys, but some slow thinkers will never get it.
if a qb can read how the cbs and safeties are lined up he's in business I used to teach cb lined up outside zone or 2 robber inside man coverage low outside cover 2 low head up man coverage
Guy named Ryan wasn't considered elite...go look at 64 trophy to confirm it can be done with average QB....what round was Seattle guy picked in...NOT first. With all talk/writing about quick decisions, before/after D reads....size HAS to help...if you don't see them, you can't be successful....Wentz/Big Ben/ Lynch....taller has to be a factor....Go Browns!!!
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Browns center Austin Reiter has torn ACL, out for the year
By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com updated October 03, 2016 at 4:27 PM link
BEREA, Ohio -- Browns center Austin Reiter suffered a torn left ACL during Sunday's 31-20 loss to the Redskins and is out for the year, coach Hue Jackson announced.
Signed off the Redskins' practice squad Sept. 15, Reiter stepped in and replaced Cam Erving (bruised lung) at center.
A first-year player who was signed by the Redskins as an undrafted rookie out of South Florida, Reiter made his first NFL start against his former team and more than held his own.
"He did an outstanding job,'' said Jackson. "I was extremely happy and pleased with his play. He battled. He gave us an opportunity to run the ball extremely well. He did a great job in directing protections and doing those things.''
Jackson acknowledged the injury was a blow, especially to a team that will likely be without starter Erving for a few more weeks.
"(Reiter) was doing some really good things as a young player that we went and found and put on our football team,'' he said. "So hopefully he can get healthy and get back."
Reiter knew something was probably seriously wrong when he heard the knee pop. He left the locker room on crutches after the game and had them again today in the locker room.
He declined to talk, but his agent, Nodirbek Talipov, said his spirits are good "and he'll come back even stronger. He loves the Cleveland Browns and he really wants to be a part of this team.''
Jackson said the Browns will look to add another center, and if they can't find one they like right away, John Greco will move back there until Erving is ready.
Greco stepped in for Reiter after he got hurt, and Spencer Drango came in for those last few minutes at guard.
But Jackson also said swing lineman Alvin Bailey is out of his doghouse after being benched in Washington following his arrest for suspicion of driving while impaired.
"I don't hold grudges,'' Jackson said.
In other injury news, tight end Randall Telfer suffered a high ankle sprain and will be out awhile.
But Jackson said rookie defensive end Carl Nassib (hand surgery) and safety Ibraheim Campbell (hamstring) will begin working this week.
That sucks about Reiter. I thought he did an outstanding job. I was hoping he would keep the job even after Erving returns. Oh well.....
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But Jackson also said swing lineman Alvin Bailey is out of his doghouse after being benched in Washington following his arrest for suspicion of driving while impaired.
Not to mention...........there isn't hardly anyone else left.
That sucks about Reiter. I thought he did an outstanding job. I was hoping he would keep the job even after Erving returns. Oh well.....
In the 4th qtr, before the injury, I said that Erving was going to have a hard time getting his job back the way Reiter was playing...then he gets hurt, out for the season.
At least the front office got a chance to see what a difference a good center play makes.
He was doing OK in pass protection but eh was doing pretty good at run blocking. Either way our offense sure stuttered bad when he went down.
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He was doing OK in pass protection but eh was doing pretty good at run blocking.
Is there a typo or wrong word choice in there somewhere? I am having a hard time figuring out what you are saying.
I see the word, "but," but it seems the two comments about pass protection and run blocking are very similar. And the use of "eh" only confuses me further.
He was doing OK in pass protection but eh was doing pretty good at run blocking.
Is there a typo or wrong word choice in there somewhere? I am having a hard time figuring out what you are saying.
I see the word, "but," but it seems the two comments about pass protection and run blocking are very similar. And the use of "eh" only confuses me further.
Michael Arace commentary | Browns are just awful, just as expected
By Michael Arace The Columbus Dispatch • Tuesday October 4, 2016 8:33 PM link
Cleveland Browns kicker Patrick Murray injured his knee in a walk-through.
I am not a football historian, but I will say it is unprecedented, a kicker getting hurt in a walk-through. Would this ever happen to Lou Groza? George Blanda? Even Garo Yepremian would not deign to be injured in a walk-through.
Murray got hurt two days before the Week 3 game against the Dolphins. If you are a Browns fan, you could have predicted what would happen next.
The Browns stage a surprising second-half comeback in Miami. They strip the Dolphins quarterback and recover the fumble. On the last play of the fourth quarter, new Browns kicker Cody Parkey lines up to attempt the winning field goal — and shanks it. Browns lose in overtime.
If you are a Browns fan, right there you begin to wonder if they will win a game this season. They might not. They are 0-4. They will be at least a 10-point underdog Sunday, when Tom Brady comes off his Deflategate suspension and leads the New England Patriots to victory in Cleveland. And his hair will be perfect.
Before losing to Miami, which is in the running for second-worst team in the league, the Browns blew a 20-point lead and lost to the Ravens. Before that, they were eviscerated by the Eagles and their rookie quarterback, Carson Wentz. At this point, everyone knows who Wentz is; he is the next franchise quarterback. Browns fans have long known who Wentz is; he is the sterling prospect the Browns traded down to avoid.
As Sir Elton put it, it’s a sad, sad situation, and it’s getting more and more absurd. Quarterback Robert Griffin III was injured in Week 1. Backup Josh McCown was injured in Week 2. Cody Kessler has been adequate yet, strangely enough, he really has not been as good as Terrelle Pryor, who is a receiver incapable of throwing a screen.
Classic Browns, right? Yet, at the risk of overgeneralizing, Cleveland is relatively calm. Maybe it has something to do with the attention given the Indians, who Thursday night open an American League divisional playoff series against the Boston Red Sox. Maybe it has something to do with being psychologically battered by the Browns over so many years.
Kessler looks kind of plucky. The running game isn’t awful. The point differential (minus-41) is not terrible, not when you consider injuries. Coach Hue Jackson has had his team almost capable of winning in three of four.
Just the other day, Deion Sanders tweeted, “The Browns are the best sparring partner in the NFL.”< /p>
So, they have that going for them.
The biggest challenge the Browns face is their history, and I don’t mean that “here we go again” when the kicker blows out his knee in a walk-through. What they must overcome is their utter failure in the draft, which is the lifeblood of an NFL team.
From 2011 through 2014, the Browns drafted 10 players in the first and second rounds, combined. Of those, only offensive lineman Joel Bitonio — the 35th overall pick in 2014 — remains on the roster. Adding torque to this tourniquet on talent is the utter failure to find playmakers.
This is what four years of Greg Little, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden and Johnny Manziel gets you: Nobody to pitch or catch in a pass-dominant modern game. This isn’t Jackson’s fault, but the Wentz decision could sting for years to come.
So, it’s another rebuild, maybe even a tank. It is growing tiresome, but it is not the worst way to go if the new scouts are any good, and if there is a plan. In the meantime, as a public service, the Cavaliers have reported to training camp.
Michael Arace is a sports reporter for The Dispatch.
From 2011 through 2014, the Browns drafted 10 players in the first and second rounds, combined. Of those, only offensive lineman Joel Bitonio — the 35th overall pick in 2014 — remains on the roster. Adding torque to this tourniquet on talent is the utter failure to find playmakers.
I really don't think the Browns are that bad. Snake bit sure, but given the injuries, I think Hue is doing a good job and the team appears to play hard.
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I am not a football historian, but I will say it is unprecedented, a kicker getting hurt in a walk-through. Would this ever happen to Lou Groza? George Blanda? Even Garo Yepremian would not deign to be injured in a walk-through.
Ok, so it's not quite a walk-through, but still...
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
From 2011 through 2014, the Browns drafted 10 players in the first and second rounds, combined. Of those, only offensive lineman Joel Bitonio — the 35th overall pick in 2014 — remains on the roster. Adding torque to this tourniquet on talent is the utter failure to find playmakers.
That is almost hard to believe.
vers...when you couple the poor drafting with each front office having their version of a fire sale, refusing to sign good players who reach free agency...the Browns are still FUBAR.
I really don't think the Browns are that bad. Snake bit sure, but given the injuries, I think Hue is doing a good job and the team appears to play hard.
daman...the Browns are what they are..the worst team in the NFL.
Most Browns fans will continue to envision better times ahead and I believe alot of that positive outlook is due to Hue Jackson.
I'm hopeful of a time in the future when Hue has authority over the 53 man roster.
I really don't think the Browns are that bad. Snake bit sure, but given the injuries, I think Hue is doing a good job and the team appears to play hard.
daman...the Browns are what they are..the worst team in the NFL.
Most Browns fans will continue to envision better times ahead and I believe alot of that positive outlook is due to Hue Jackson.
I'm hopeful of a time in the future when Hue has authority over the 53 man roster.
Hue was supposedly making the QB decisions in this draft. I am not sold. I'd rather see him stick to coaching for now.
With REAL football people in charge....the "idiot" FO of brains rather than "football people"...like Davis, I know football players- Weed Willie Green and Big Money...man, we were great with football people picking....Coleman, Og, and Nass are all chumps, right....non do drugs.....need to keep "All Pros" like Gordon who stabs the team in back every chance he gets....Please extend the whole FO and Hue.....GO Browns!!!!
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I should amend my original comment beyond just a "say". Control is more the word I should have used.
We have a horrible record with a coach having control over picking players.
If you have a background in coaching QB's, and you are a head coach, you are going to want to be able to make that call. Letting Hue have his pick in the 3rd round, I'm not tripping. We've drafted guys in the first who were supposed to be future hall of famers, and they became busts QUICK. So i'm not tripping over a 3rd.
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