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Originally Posted By: Swish
false. i've disagreed with any of those guys before publicly. you're not making your position any better with weak counters like that.


I'll go with want trump says out of his own mouth. he's a trustworthy guy...right?


You completely do not understand. At. All.

He was investigated. His losses were real, tangible. He paid no taxes for those 2 years. His comment at the debate was about exactly what clinton was referencing - those 2 years.




Seriously.

I just had a conversation with my wall about this, and it understood the facts better than you.

Take 5 minutes and completely release your hatred of me, and your hatred of Trump, and your love of Hillary. And look at the facts about the 2 years trump didn't pay fed. tax.

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ok so why dont you care what he's done, but care what somebody who isn't running for president has done?

that's not adding up.

are you saying it's Hillary's fault that bill cheated?


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
I already think he is shallow for having trophy wives.



You argued with me that you don't blame him for having trophy wives because he's rich.

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i do understand.

yes, i agree, you're like talking to a wall.

do us both a favor, if you feel that way, then stop.

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Please try to keep up.

1) PDX keeps saying that their marital issues are none of our business
2) I am saying it is our business when Hillary cheats because it displays her morals
3) Morals are important

Thats it and thats all. Not all the extra crap you make up.


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Arch I apologize if I've personally given off the impression I "despise" you. You may be one of the most Civil people on this site. I may not agree with you, but at least you try to engage in articulate dialect.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Please try to keep up.

1) PDX keeps saying that their marital issues are none of our business
2) I am saying it is our business when Hillary cheats because it displays her morals
3) Morals are important

Thats it and thats all. Not all the extra crap you make up.


What did I make up? The argument we had?

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but you're basing it off a hypothetical.

Trump cheated on his wife(wives).

Hillary didn't cheat. you're basically saying you don't care that trump cheated, yet do care IF Hillary cheats.

either you're blatantly admitting to a double standard, or you're confusing yourself....again.

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That was meant for Swish.


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Hillary is a lesbian who has a long history of cheating. I already posted one link, and there are many more if you google it.


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And youre still missing the point that I was countering pdx 's argument.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Hillary is a lesbian who has a long history of cheating. I already posted one link, and there are many more if you google it.


you posted horsecrap from some no name website with no credibility.

post something real or kick rocks.

like damn. you gotten to the point where you're making crap up now.

Hillary is a lesbian? you're every bit of immoral as you claim they are.


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Im not posting more links. You can look up the truth for yourself. Or live in denial. I really dont care. But it wont stop me from posting the truth.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
That was meant for Swish.


My apologies.

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You dont need to apologise to me, I clicked the wrong thing. :-)


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Arch I apologize if I've personally given off the impression I "despise" you. You may be one of the most Civil people on this site. I may not agree with you, but at least you try to engage in articulate dialect.


Nah, that wasn't directed at you at all. It was to swish.

I could say that's it's 11:48 pm here, and it's dark, and he'd hound me about how wrong I am. smile

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Bill may have done the cheating, but isn't it something to be considered that Hillary made it her mission to discredit the women with whom Bill was cheating?

The person that said that every victim of sexual assault deserved to be believed?


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Originally Posted By: MrTed
Bill may have done the cheating, but isn't it something to be considered that Hillary made it her mission to discredit the women with whom Bill was cheating?

The person that said that every victim of sexual assault deserved to be believed?


Well, there is that, which is why I said I hope neither of them delve into the subject. The only way it does anything is to show hypocrisy.

And perhaps more on Hillary's part.

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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Hillary is a lesbian who has a long history of cheating. I already posted one link, and there are many more if you google it.


Did I really just read the above comment? My god...

rofl

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And you thought all those manly pantsuits were just because her fashion consult was a bit off?


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
And you thought all those manly pantsuits were just because her fashion consult was a bit off?


I did. Plus, she is a 68 year old grandma so, I just put it down to her dressing like..well, a grandma.

Honestly, give us all a break on the "lesbian" accusation. That really is grasping at internet straws. BUT, more importantly, even if she was/is...WHO CARES?

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I dont really care that she is a lesbian, but it does matter because her cheating is relevant. The moral fiber of our candidates is important.

So your continued whining about how their marital issues is nobodies business is false.


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Give it a break Eve. Your internet gossip and conspiracy theories of Clinton are laughable at best.

Probably best to focus on your Libertarian candidate who keeps showing the world just how dim and clueless he is.

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Nice try at deflecting when you lose the argument.

I dont know who is more ridiculous, you or swish.


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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Nice try at deflecting when you lose the argument.


Argument? What argument? You mean regarding your ridiculous comment about Clinton's sexuality? That is just so out in left field (or, should I say "right" field?) that it doesn't deserve the energy to even comment.

Dear oh dear. You can't make this stuff up.

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You, like swish, just have problems comprehending facts.


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Wait, Hillary's now a lesbian decrepit liar lizard people? What other hyperbolic adjective, with no factual backing, did I miss?

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Yup.

Like Trump paying no taxes. In the late 70's. For 2 years.




Dude, I am scratching my head how you can compare the accusation of Trump not paying tax with Hillary's cheating husband.



I cannot vote for any of the ....people ... running for President.

However, your statement is most likely what the Clinton talking points will be .... when what it is really about is not how Bill treated women .... it is how Hillary treated women who complained about being abused by Bill. She was downright brutal towards them, even after it was proved that they were telling the truth. Discrediting them in the public eye was more important than the truth.

I also have to laugh when Hillary claims that "Trump put his own interests ahead of the interests of the nation" when he was actively running his company.

Duh! Of course he did. He was running a company. He did the best he could for his company. Look at the businesses who have exported jobs to Mexico and other places. They did that because it was best for their own bottom lines. Business has 3 main interests ... to live, grow, and succeed.

It can also be argued, rather convincingly, that Hillary has also put her own interests ahead of those of the nation. She did so as First Lady, Senator, and Secretary of State, though.

I truly cannot believe that these Bozos (sorry for dragging your name through the mud Bozo) are the best we can do. It saddens me more than almost anything else could possibly do.


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https://wikileaks.org/hillary-war/

Tue Feb 9 10:47:54 EST 2016

A vote today for Hillary Clinton is a vote for endless, stupid war
by Julian Assange

Hillary didn't just vote for Iraq. She made her own Iraq. Libya is Hillary's Iraq and if she becomes president she will make more.

I have had years of experience in dealing with Hillary Clinton and have read thousands of her cables. Hillary lacks judgement and will push the United States into endless, stupid wars which spread terrorism. Her personality combined with her poor policy decisions have directly contributed to the rise of ISIS.

Pentagon generals objected to destroying the Libyan state. They felt Hillary did not have a safe post-war plan. Hillary Clinton went over their heads. Libya has been destroyed. It became a haven for ISIS. The Libyan national armory was looted and hundreds of tons of weapons were transferred to jihadists in Syria. Hillary's war has increased terrorism, killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians and has set back women's rights in the Middle East by hundreds of years. Having learned nothing from the Libyan disaster Hillary then set about trying do the same in Syria.

Hillary publicly took credit for the destruction of the Libyan state. On hearing that the country's president had been killed by her handiwork, she became wild-eyed and gloated "We came, we saw, he died!". In the momentary thrill of the kill, she had aped, of all people, Julius Ceaser.

Hillary's problem is not just that she's war hawk. She's a war hawk with bad judgement who gets an unseemly emotional rush out of killing people. She shouldn't be let near a gun shop, let alone an army. And she certainly should not become president of the United States.



See https://wikileaks.org/plusd/?qproject[]=cg&q=clinton#result

and https://search.wikileaks.org/?s=1&q=%22hillary+clinton%22&sort=0#results

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Wait, Hillary's now a lesbian decrepit liar lizard people? What other hyperbolic adjective, with no factual backing, did I miss?


I know, right? Where will the witch hunt go next?

Oh, and Eve...even if this slanderous comment were true, WHO CARES? Does that make her unsuitable for President? If you say you don't care & answer no to the second question then drop it. If you answer "yes" then wake up...it is the 21st century.

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Assange needs to tread lightly if we wants to portray himself as "nonpartisan." He's completely ignored Trump during this election.

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Don't worry about it.

All that matters is the debates and what happens after

Trump blew his wad in the first debate. All he has now is tabloid crap. Hillary didn't even hit him with the heavy stuff yet.

The 2nd debate is gonna be ugly. Trump is going to lash out.

Hell, he almost turned into the same trump during the republican primary debates. He was at that line.

And he will cross over next time. I know other people are, but I'm not worried about this election. Trump is gonna take this L.


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Originally Posted By: candyman92
Assange needs to tread lightly if we wants to portray himself as "nonpartisan." He's completely ignored Trump during this election.

That was back from February. He has had some harsh things to say about Trump as well. He says (paraphrasing from memory here) that he has dirt on Trump as well but it can't compare to the stuff that comes out of his mouth on a regular basis. He compared the choice between Hillary and Trump as a choice between gonorrhea and chlamydia (again, going from memory here).

Those aren't exactly glowing things to say about Trump. However, if you look at the pattern of releases and when they were timed (e.g. leaking the DNC corruption right before Hillary was set to accept the nomination), it would be reasonable to say that it was meant to hurt the Democrats.

Even still, he is arguably the best investigative reporter in the world when you look at what he's done and what he's released. I say this even if you don't like the guy and don't think the kind of information he leaks belongs in the public domain or any of that. That's kind of a separate issue. I do think he is extremely knowledgeable on world affairs and his opinion should be at least be considered.

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Originally Posted By: candyman92
Assange needs to tread lightly if we wants to portray himself as "nonpartisan." He's completely ignored Trump during this election.


His problem is that most people on both sides are ignoring him as well.

His biggest hit piece wasn't even directly related to Hillary. It was at the DNC chair.

At this point, him and Trump have been blowing smoke. They got all this heavy ass "information", yet I'm still waiting.

Assange is what trump says all the time: "I'm hearing things from people". Lol. Ok.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
Don't worry about it.

All that matters is the debates and what happens after

Trump blew his wad in the first debate. All he has now is tabloid crap. Hillary didn't even hit him with the heavy stuff yet.

The 2nd debate is gonna be ugly. Trump is going to lash out.

Hell, he almost turned into the same trump during the republican primary debates. He was at that line.

And he will cross over next time. I know other people are, but I'm not worried about this election. Trump is gonna take this L.

Hillary already lashed out with all that racist/sexist/crazy nonsense that you read on here all the time. In that regard, Trump was far, far more presidential as he held back on all the various scandals that Hillary has been involved in. He didn't go after Bill. He hardly went after the DNC corruption, etc. Didn't go after Hillary for any of the lies that she told the public or the FBI (didn't know that C stood for Classified... right. Ok so that was either lying or incompetence)

We posted about that first debate live and my opinions on Trump's performance are all there. He had some rough spots and Hillary held up better than I thought she would. And even still, she didn't gain that much in the polls. It's unclear if those gains will even last-- I have a hard time believing that six weeks from now, many people are going to change their vote because Trump talked over the moderator. And I have a hard time believing that the results will be similar in a more impromptu Town Hall style debate, where Trump's ad libbing will shine and Hillary can't prepare her answers as much ahead of time.

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I would add that Trump's ad libbing style will shine IF he can avoid saying anything too controversial, lol. I think he's figured that out now.

My point was more that he is so much better at regular interactions with people than Hillary. He's a better and more passionate speaker. I think he connects with people better.

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Not really.

She let trump talk himself to death. Is ramblings were of the "please shut up" variety.

She looked presidential. Trump did not.

Oh, and just in case you're not up on your government agencies, ICE can not endorse any politician.

So he lied. A union of workers did endorse him. But that isn't the same thing. At all.

But of course you won't say anything about it. Which is why I brought it up.


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I would add that Trump's ad libbing style will shine IF he can avoid saying anything too controversial, lol. I think he's figured that out now.

My point was more that he is so much better at regular interactions with people than Hillary. He's a better and more passionate speaker. I think he connects with people better.


He only connects with trump supporters.

There isn't enough of y'all to win.

He certainly doesn't connect with me or the majority.


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And even still, she didn't gain that much in the polls. It's unclear if those gains will even last-- I have a hard time believing that six weeks from now, many people are going to change their vote because Trump talked over the moderator. And I have a hard time believing that the results will be similar in a more impromptu Town Hall style debate, where Trump's ad libbing will shine and Hillary can't prepare her answers as much ahead of time.


If the 18-24 year olds show up to vote, especially those who are students AND a decent proportion of Bernie supporters vote for her...Trump is toast. The youth vote is going to be huge because we saw what happened in Britain when they didn't turn up on voting day.

Gary Johnson continues to look clueless so he will most likely be a non-contender. Anyway, his votes will most likely be Republicans who don't want to vote for Trump.

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