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So 19 votes are going to decide the entire election in the state of Virginia?


During a 5 year period under Bush there was a total of 8600 cases of voter ID fraud. Out of 196,000,000.

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So 19 votes are going to decide the entire election in the state of Virginia?


During a 5 year period under Bush there was a total of 86 cases of voter ID fraud. Out of 196,000,000.


Close your eyes and pretend this is not the tip of a very large iceberg.

Over a 5 year period, you only caught a total of 86.

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Question D.C.,

How many woman do you believe would defend their husbands if they felt allegations were not true? Also, have you ever read stories on Ivana and Trump?

Some of the stories from the victims have come out and claimed that Hillary threatened them in ways that led them to believe that she absolutely knew what her husband had done and that they just needed to keep quiet about it..

I will go back to the Bill Cosby example.. if one says it, yea, I can get behind you defending your husband.. 2 or 3 and you start to wonder.. but 14? Really, 14? Then you find out the truth about Monica?

And no, I have not read stories about Donald and Ivana.. not sure why I need to. I already have a pretty good idea what kind of person Donald is in that regard.


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So 19 votes are going to decide the entire election in the state of Virginia?


During a 5 year period under Bush there was a total of 86 cases of voter ID fraud. Out of 196,000,000.


Close your eyes and pretend this is not the tip of a very large iceberg.

Over a 5 year period, you only caught a total of 86.


Meant to say 8600, 40.

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So 19 votes are going to decide the entire election in the state of Virginia?


During a 5 year period under Bush there was a total of 8600 cases of voter ID fraud. Out of 196,000,000.


You did say 8600.


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So 19 votes are going to decide the entire election in the state of Virginia?


During a 5 year period under Bush there was a total of 8600 cases of voter ID fraud. Out of 196,000,000.


You did say 8600.


In his defense, I edited my original post. He quoted me before I changed it.

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No he didn't ...He changed it. tongue Nice to talk to you again. thumbsup

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But we've been told it doesn't happen. Yet, 8600 have been caught?

I'd lay you $1000 there's more than that in Chicago alone in just this past year.

But, it's not provable, as "voter I.D. laws" are considered racist and biased against the poor.

And that's just a dumb defense. I suppose minorities and poor don't have bank accounts, right? Because you need an i.d. for that. I suppose they don't ever go get prescription meds......cause you need an i.d. for that.

For the poor.....the gov't. doesn't mail checks anymore. And even if they did, you'd need an i.d. to cash the check.

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Who ever told you it doesn't happen?

Stop exaggerating. I know for a fact people on this board and articles have said that voter fraud happens at a way lower rate than what a lot of conservatives think.

Not one person on here has ever said it doesn't happen.


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Question D.C.,

How many woman do you believe would defend their husbands if they felt allegations were not true? Also, have you ever read stories on Ivana and Trump?


Especially defend with future political aspirations.

Not the point anyway. She dissed women, the very gender she "claims" to champion.

By the way, most self respecting, the operative word is self respecting, women would not defend time and time again.

She knew she would be nothing without him. She knew she had way to much to lose and she knew he was a freak. But it was the womens' fault. OK.

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The debate commision just acknowledged there was an issue with TRUMP's microphone.

Interesting little tidbit.

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You have a link to that?

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not vote for 'demagogue' Trump, USA Today tells its readers

https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-vote-demagogue-trump-usa-today-tells-readers-003958816.html

Boy these newspapers are dumping trump like crazy.

Also, that Arizona conservative newspaper that endorsed Clinton, a democrat, for the first time ever, is getting death threats.

Didn't know it was that serious, but ok.


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You have a link to that?


I just did a search, looked for tweets specifically asking about the debate comissioner and trumps mic.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/30/presidential-debates-admits-trumps-mic-was-messed-up/

I dunno what a daily caller is. Maybe legit? Seriously I don't know

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You have a link to that?


Not yet. FOX and MSNBC reporting. Will try to find one.


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Doesn't really matter. Does it?


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For those so passionate about fraud. Let's make a deal. Why don't we require everyone to use an ID when they make a purchase using a card?

Identity theft and credit card fraud is a more prevalent problem than voting fraud no?

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Well it must have been a conspiracy perpetrated by the Clinton campaign.


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The only thing the mic affected was if he had the sniffles?!!

Oh, my bad, the sound level. He wasn't cut off(even though he should've been).

This is a non story. Next.

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Just par for the course. We saw what the Clinton Machine did to Bernie and anyone who doesn't think she could be involved in anything underhanded is a fool.

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Originally Posted By: candyman92
For those so passionate about fraud. Let's make a deal. Why don't we require everyone to use an ID when they make a purchase using a card?

Identity theft and credit card fraud is a more prevalent problem than voting fraud no?


Perhaps.

But with identity fraud, the fraud is punishable. With credit card fraud, the card company takes the hit. (just happened to me about 3 years ago. $20 even. No cents. A charge at a mcdonalds. In Florida. I called the card company and said "Hey, I haven't been in florida in years, let alone eat at a mcd's in florida. And who charges exactly $20 even?"

"Yeah, you're right. No gas charges, no airline flights, no nothing in or about florida on your card other than this. Very possible you got skimmed somewhere and the skimmer was testing it. We'll cancel the charge. Don't use your card, we have a new one on the way."


Think that happens with voter fraud?

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For those so passionate about fraud. Let's make a deal. Why don't we require everyone to use an ID when they make a purchase using a card?

Identity theft and credit card fraud is a more prevalent problem than voting fraud no?


Well, when 800 some individuals were ordered deported and there was a "mistake"..... a "mistake" .....that led to them gaining citizenship instead, yes, I am concerned about fraud and the security of this country.

If the feds (and dems) can't do their job correctly, we are in even more trouble.

I suggest that if it was a "mistake" that prior to the election, these individuals be gathered up, informed of the "mistake" and immediately deported. These simpletons who can't even do their job must be held accountable.

Wonder how many more times the dems will see this happens? Of course they will. :-)


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For those so passionate about fraud. Let's make a deal. Why don't we require everyone to use an ID when they make a purchase using a card?

Identity theft and credit card fraud is a more prevalent problem than voting fraud no?


Perhaps.

But with identity fraud, the fraud is punishable. With credit card fraud, the card company takes the hit. (just happened to me about 3 years ago. $20 even. No cents. A charge at a mcdonalds. In Florida. I called the card company and said "Hey, I haven't been in florida in years, let alone eat at a mcd's in florida. And who charges exactly $20 even?"

"Yeah, you're right. No gas charges, no airline flights, no nothing in or about florida on your card other than this. Very possible you got skimmed somewhere and the skimmer was testing it. We'll cancel the charge. Don't use your card, we have a new one on the way."


Think that happens with voter fraud?


The fraud is punishable if the person gets caught.

So all of those in favor of voter ID laws are in favor of my proposal, yes?

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I know! I know, for those simple minded among us, this is a non story. I know! Move on.

For those deep thinkers, ponder it!


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You lost me here.

You are in favor of voter i.d. laws?

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I know! I know, for those simple minded among us, this is a non story. I know! Move on.

For those deep thinkers, ponder it!


It's a non story, but here's one!!!

Trump Foundation Lacks Certification to Operate as Charity: Source

https://gma.yahoo.com/trump-foundation-l...topstories.html


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You lost me here.

You are in favor of voter i.d. laws?


If we are going to enact the need for ID on voting, okay. However, do it for the things I mentioned or the rationale doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted By: Cjrae

I can buy this. I watched the debate closely and did not hear any sniffles from Trump but his voice did seem off compared to literally any speech he's given that I've listened to. People on here said he sniffled and I just let that topic go because I don't think that really matters (I wouldn't be concerned about our president showing symptoms of a common cold. I would be concerned if our president showed signs of neurological damage. The health issue is a matter of specifics and degrees.)

Here's one from Time which says pretty much the same thing: http://time.com/4515148/debate-commission-donald-trumps-microphone-was-faulty/

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Originally Posted By: Cjrae
I know! I know, for those simple minded among us, this is a non story. I know! Move on.

For those deep thinkers, ponder it!

The establishment is far reaching.

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I know! I know, for those simple minded among us, this is a non story. I know! Move on.

For those deep thinkers, ponder it!

The establishment is far reaching.

To add to this, I actually remember one conservative blogger who predicted exactly this would happen. I forgot who it was, but I kind of dismissed it at the time. I don't think this was an accident.

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I love these threads. You can have about 50 different conversations going on at once laugh

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Doesn't really matter anyway.

Steel Dragon's tentacles reach far and wide.

Dangerous people being released into our country for the sake of a vote, people being slandered for the sake of a vote, lies being told (on both sides) for the sake of a vote.

I spent the afternoon with my 82 year old Father. He is the wisest, most intelligent and deep thinking individual I have ever known, read or spoken with....ever. I respect and admire him more than any individual on this planet.

We were discussing the election. And, although politics haven't changed much, the morals, values and expectations for our American society have.

He is in disbelief at what we are willing to accept as a society. He is in disbelief as to the depths we have sunk. He is in disbelief that, for the first time in his life, he may not vote. His only justification for casting for Trump would be SCOTUS and a preservation of conservative values and way of life.

My hope for this country is that we could have more individuals like my Father. I say like him, not because of his political view, but because of his strength, wisdom, insight and respectful nature. I learned a great deal this afternoon and will carry it with me to the polls.

Hopefully, we all search our conscience and make the best decision for ourselves, our families and our country moving forward.


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not vote for 'demagogue' Trump, USA Today tells its readers

https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-vote-demagogue-trump-usa-today-tells-readers-003958816.html

Boy these newspapers are dumping trump like crazy.

Also, that Arizona conservative newspaper that endorsed Clinton, a democrat, for the first time ever, is getting death threats.

Didn't know it was that serious, but ok.

This has been a common theme. I probably get 3-5 of these creative posts stating why I should never vote for Trump on my FB every single day.

The message is quite clear... We have absolutely NOTHING positive to say about Hillary so if you aren't voting for her out of some blind ignorant loyalty, just stay home because Trump is an idiot. Every immoral, wreckless, or illegal thing she has ever done, Trump has done something worse.. and if Trump didn't, Bush did and you voted for him..

I swear to God in Heaven, we are racing to get to the bottom just as fast as we possibly can.


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Whoa. For a minute I thought this was a big deal.

Turns out it's not.

The NY AG, a huge clinton supporter, is investigating Trump over the illegal contribution he/his foundation, gave to the FL ag.

To which the foundation paid the penalty. $2500.

Now, the strong clinton supporter NY AG is trying to say the trump foundation never sent in the proper paper work to solicit over $25,000. The trump foundation has been around for 30 years.........and they're just now getting to this?


Sounds like they just need to fill out a few forms. Shame on them for not having done it. https://www.charitiesnys.com/pdfs/statute_booklet.pdf


And shame on the big clinton supporter, Eric Schniederman, for not having done this sooner.

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I dunno why people slam Bush like that.

yea, he made some highly questionable and...well yea catastrophic decisions.

but his character was never in concern. i always thought he had the best of intentions.

all my hatred was focused at cheney, the puppet master.


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Doesn't really matter anyway.

Steel Dragon's tentacles reach far and wide.

Dangerous people being released into our country for the sake of a vote, people being slandered for the sake of a vote, lies being told (on both sides) for the sake of a vote.

I spent the afternoon with my 82 year old Father. He is the wisest, most intelligent and deep thinking individual I have ever known, read or spoken with....ever. I respect and admire him more than any individual on this planet.

We were discussing the election. And, although politics haven't changed much, the morals, values and expectations for our American society have.

He is in disbelief at what we are willing to accept as a society. He is in disbelief as to the depths we have sunk. He is in disbelief that, for the first time in his life, he may not vote. His only justification for casting for Trump would be SCOTUS and a preservation of conservative values and way of life.

My hope for this country is that we could have more individuals like my Father. I say like him, not because of his political view, but because of his strength, wisdom, insight and respectful nature. I learned a great deal this afternoon and will carry it with me to the polls.

Hopefully, we all search our conscience and make the best decision for ourselves, our families and our country moving forward.


With all due respect to your father, our country has always had its issues in regards to morality. Nothing has changed, it's just people are more noticeable.

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