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What if a holocaust survivor, who went through Nazi Germany and Hitler's rise to power, draws comparisons? Do their opinions hold weight?
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And he lost.
I voted for Cruz but he lost.
So now we have Trump. I will vote for him because the Democrats in no way represent my values or the direction I see as best for America. The Republicans are much closer to them. Trump is the Republican Candidate.
I will not support the status quo by voting for Clinton and the Left. I will not stay home which is a vote for Clinton and the Left. I will not vote third party which is a vote for Clinton and the Left.
I will try to make a change to the direction America is taking that is closer to my values. Thank you +1 My thoughts exactly.. Speaking of Clinton, there's a commercial on the radio where a man is speaking and saying he's a veterans and has always been a Republican but this year he won't be voting Republican because of Trump... Talking about all the hateful things he's said and how he hates women and he wants his 3 daughters to have a role model so that's why he's voting for Hillary.. I almost threw up when I first heard the commercial.. I was like, are you kidding me.. Whatever Trump might be I know what Hillary Ain't!!
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What if a holocaust survivor, who went through Nazi Germany and Hitler's rise to power, draws comparisons? Do their opinions hold weight? Are you insinuating that Obama, Clinton, and Trump have committed crimes equal to Hitler's?
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And he lost.
I voted for Cruz but he lost.
So now we have Trump. I will vote for him because the Democrats in no way represent my values or the direction I see as best for America. The Republicans are much closer to them. Trump is the Republican Candidate.
I will not support the status quo by voting for Clinton and the Left. I will not stay home which is a vote for Clinton and the Left. I will not vote third party which is a vote for Clinton and the Left.
I will try to make a change to the direction America is taking that is closer to my values. So back to my question is the dislike for Clinton, more important then your Christian values? How will trump get you closer to your values? And back to my statement... Where has Hillary ever aligned herself as a Christian!!!!! She is no more a Christian than Trump so why keep talking about Trump??? As the other poster mentioned.. Republican is the ones that more or less align themselves with the Christian values so that's why its Trump instead of the other candidate that should be in prison
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Every American is entitled to his freely expressed opinion, even when it is wrong. TRUMP! 
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j/c:
I don't like either candidate, but I wish people would stop w/the devil and anti-Christ rhetoric. It's ignorant. So does that mean I can't call Obama, Satan?
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Obviously, you can.
I just wish that people wouldn't resort to that type of thing.
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Obviously, you can.
I just wish that people wouldn't resort to that type of thing. actually I'm joking.. I don't refer to people as the Antichrist.
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So let me get this straight. The woman who's been in the same marriage all her life is somehow less Christian than the guy who's been married three times and cheated on all of them?
I guess til death do you part is more of a guideline.
If you call yourself Christian, then you shouldn't be voting for either one of them.
To pick one yet call yourself a Christian would mean you aren't really one. Sacrificing values for what? Picking and choosing when to uphold Christian values and when not to.
If your fake god was real, he would probably be ashamed.
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So let me get this straight. The woman who's been in the same marriage all her life is somehow less Christian than the guy who's been married three times and cheated on all of them?
I guess til death do you part is more of a guideline.
If you call yourself Christian, then you shouldn't be voting for either one of them.
To pick one yet call yourself a Christian would mean you aren't really one. Sacrificing values for what? Picking and choosing when to uphold Christian values and when not to.
If your fake god was real, he would probably be ashamed. I don't expect someone with your knowledge of the subject to understand!
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So let me get this straight. The woman who's been in the same marriage all her life is somehow less Christian than the guy who's been married three times and cheated on all of them?
I guess til death do you part is more of a guideline.
If you call yourself Christian, then you shouldn't be voting for either one of them.
To pick one yet call yourself a Christian would mean you aren't really one. Sacrificing values for what? Picking and choosing when to uphold Christian values and when not to.
If your fake god was real, he would probably be ashamed. I don't expect someone with your knowledge of the subject to understand! translation: you're full of crap and can't defend your actions.
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This summer I went to DC, and I visited the holocaust museum. I talked with a couple of survivors from the concentration camps. I didn't bring up politics with them, more so talked about how to teach the holocaust with using Night in the classroom, but people in front of me did on both cases.
These groups asked them about Trump. Both talked about how Trump's behavior reminded them a lot of the rise of Hitler, and the general support of Nazi Germany.
Don't assume, sir.
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Okay Rocket. Call him the devil. Call him the anti-Christ.
I expressed my opinion that I don't like calling these people the devil or the anti-Christ. You don't agree. Fine. Keep up the good fight!
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Regarding religion during this election season, I'm sure many of us remember one of the DNC scandals over the summer that screwed Bernie Sanders. In one email among top members of the Democratic National Committee, there was an exchange about painting Bernie Sanders as an atheist as this executive thought it would do Bernie worse in the Bible Belt than being Jewish.
It makes you wonder if it wasn't for the superdelegate system AND these types of underhanded tactics weren't employed against Bernie and his supporters, whether or not he would be the Democratic candidate right now. I guess we'll never know. What I do know: actual, real Clinton supporters (not just anti-Trumpers) are very hard to find.
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I'm not saying either.
I'm just wondering if holocaust's survivors words have weight.
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So let me get this straight. The woman who's been in the same marriage all her life is somehow less Christian than the guy who's been married three times and cheated on all of them?
I guess til death do you part is more of a guideline.
If you call yourself Christian, then you shouldn't be voting for either one of them.
To pick one yet call yourself a Christian would mean you aren't really one. Sacrificing values for what? Picking and choosing when to uphold Christian values and when not to.
If your fake god was real, he would probably be ashamed. I don't expect someone with your knowledge of the subject to understand! translation: you're full of crap and can't defend your actions. Hillary is no more a Christian then Trump.. She's as evil if not more so then he is .. You're picking one thing about Trump and comparing it to Hillary.. Neither one is a Christian so I vote for the one that aligns themselves with my beliefs.. The one that might get America back to where it use to be .. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Trump is the Republican candidate and they are the ones that are closer to my values
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This summer I went to DC, and I visited the holocaust museum. I talked with a couple of survivors from the concentration camps. I didn't bring up politics with them, more so talked about how to teach the holocaust with using Night in the classroom, but people in front of me did on both cases.
These groups asked them about Trump. Both talked about how Trump's behavior reminded them a lot of the rise of Hitler, and the general support of Nazi Germany.
Don't assume, sir. You've posted this anecdote before and it is very interesting. Clearly anybody who has gone through such horrors deserves to have their voice heard. I just don't see it though. I really don't. I actually think there are more parallels the other way around. Look at the violence committed in the political process during the last year. Easily more than 95% of it is committed from the left. I've posted many of these videos and takes on here. You can also look at it from the standpoint of how it is arguably dangerous to voice your support for Trump in some places, but it is perfectly acceptable to lob ridiculous accusations at him. What would you call a political climate where people are harassed and assaulted for having dissenting political opinions?
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Of course they have weight. My favorite book ever is Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning.
I am simply saying that I do not like when people call our candidates or our President "the devil" or "the AntiChrist."
Not saying you have to agree w/me. I do think I can voice my opinion that I don't like it, though.
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so you're readily admitting that you're gonna sacrifice your religious values for....Trump?
i've seen a handful of christians say they aren't voting for either one of them.
there's one on this board who swears up and down he isn't, but come crunch time, will most likely be voting for trump(YTown), which is why i don't take him seriously on this topic with regards to religion and Trump. he's already making excuses to vote for him.
and then there's you, 40, and a host of others.
just to be clear. i didn't call you a christian. i didn't call trump a christian, i didn't call hillary a christian.
you and the rest called yourselves that. YOU attached those standards to yourself, not me.
so don't get upset when i call you and others out for not living up to the standard you set upon yourself.
My mom is religious. she isn't voting for Trump or Clinton, she is going to write in Mike Huckabee.
whether or not i think it's a wasted vote, i get why she - here's the kicker - won't sacrifice her values for what she feels are low-character candidates.
imagine that, a christian who won't sacrifice her religious values in the name of choosing between to un christian-like candidates.
i'm going to miss my mom, and others like her, when she goes. because regardless on how i feel about religion, at least she picked her path and stuck to it.
you already fell off the wagon, and it ain't even election day yet. congrats.
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What if a holocaust survivor, who went through Nazi Germany and Hitler's rise to power, draws comparisons? Do their opinions hold weight? Given what they've been through, maybe they're onto something when they compare Hillary to Hitler.
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Regarding religion during this election season, I'm sure many of us remember one of the DNC scandals over the summer that screwed Bernie Sanders. In one email among top members of the Democratic National Committee, there was an exchange about painting Bernie Sanders as an atheist as this executive thought it would do Bernie worse in the Bible Belt than being Jewish. And yet it was never brought up during the campaign.
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So let me get this straight. The woman who's been in the same marriage all her life is somehow less Christian than the guy who's been married three times and cheated on all of them?
I guess til death do you part is more of a guideline.
If you call yourself Christian, then you shouldn't be voting for either one of them.
To pick one yet call yourself a Christian would mean you aren't really one. Sacrificing values for what? Picking and choosing when to uphold Christian values and when not to.
If your fake god was real, he would probably be ashamed. I don't expect someone with your knowledge of the subject to understand! translation: you're full of crap and can't defend your actions. Hillary is no more a Christian then Trump.. She's as evil if not more so then he is .. You're picking one thing about Trump and comparing it to Hillary.. Neither one is a Christian so I vote for the one that aligns themselves with my beliefs.. The one that might get America back to where it use to be .. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Trump is the Republican candidate and they are the ones that are closer to my values Actually Swish is correct , as Christian marriage is a big deal, I mean its a really big deal.. You are not just marrying your partner you are making a convenient with God that you will love and do right with your partner. A convenient is not a contract....in a contract If something goes wrong you can break free, a convenient means that you are promising god that you are going to do right by your partner, even if your partner does not do right about you. Further more as a Christian, we believe that God is first in our life, followed by our spouse second, followed by everything else. This shows how much God put in emphasis on marriage. PastorMark(I think), please add anything if i missed it.
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Regarding religion during this election season, I'm sure many of us remember one of the DNC scandals over the summer that screwed Bernie Sanders. In one email among top members of the Democratic National Committee, there was an exchange about painting Bernie Sanders as an atheist as this executive thought it would do Bernie worse in the Bible Belt than being Jewish. And yet it was never brought up during the campaign. it's not brought up because Sanders was gonna get smoked anyway. the DNC tried to rig the delegates. Hillary won hands down amongst the popular vote, which most of those delegates would've went her way anyway. shady as all hell? absolutely. but people acting as if sanders was gonna win, and he wasn't. and right now? he would be getting CRUSHED by trump. i'm glad he didn't win.
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Regarding religion during this election season, I'm sure many of us remember one of the DNC scandals over the summer that screwed Bernie Sanders. In one email among top members of the Democratic National Committee, there was an exchange about painting Bernie Sanders as an atheist as this executive thought it would do Bernie worse in the Bible Belt than being Jewish. And yet it was never brought up during the campaign. it's not brought up because Sanders was gonna get smoked anyway. the DNC tried to rig the delegates. Hillary won hands down amongst the popular vote, which most of those delegates would've went her way anyway. shady as all hell? absolutely. but people acting as if sanders was gonna win, and he wasn't. and right now? he would be getting CRUSHED by trump. i'm glad he didn't win. I think Clinton would have won the Democratic primaries regardless-- agree there. I do think there would have been an off-chance, with a fairer system and an impartial DNC, that Bernie might have pulled it off. I don't really know though. I didn't follow the Democratic primaries all that closely because I did not care for either candidate there. agreed that it was shady as all hell. That was pretty much the point. There were more tangible examples in all that as well, such as going above and beyond to paint Bernie supporters as violent and belligerent in order to discredit them (as I recall, there was some of that going on naturally but then again, given the revelations, it is hard to know exactly how much truth there was to it.)
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How could any decent person support a group that stands for...
-Abortion.
-Planned Parenthood's harvesting and selling of human body parts.
-Men using showers and bathrooms with our Daughters.
-A Rapist Bill Clinton back in the White House.
-The Registering to vote of dead people.
-The Registering to vote of Illegal Aliens.
Any Christian or Patriotic American who supports such a group should hang their head in shame!
Any Christian who doesn't fight this group with every ounce of their strength will answer for it!
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Any Christian who doesn't fight this group with every ounce of their strength will answer for it! When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
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so you're readily admitting that you're gonna sacrifice your religious values for....Trump?
i've seen a handful of christians say they aren't voting for either one of them.
there's one on this board who swears up and down he isn't, but come crunch time, will most likely be voting for trump(YTown), which is why i don't take him seriously on this topic with regards to religion and Trump. he's already making excuses to vote for him.
and then there's you, 40, and a host of others.
just to be clear. i didn't call you a christian. i didn't call trump a christian, i didn't call hillary a christian.
you and the rest called yourselves that. YOU attached those standards to yourself, not me.
so don't get upset when i call you and others out for not living up to the standard you set upon yourself.
My mom is religious. she isn't voting for Trump or Clinton, she is going to write in Mike Huckabee.
whether or not i think it's a wasted vote, i get why she - here's the kicker - won't sacrifice her values for what she feels are low-character candidates.
imagine that, a christian who won't sacrifice her religious values in the name of choosing between to un christian-like candidates.
i'm going to miss my mom, and others like her, when she goes. because regardless on how i feel about religion, at least she picked her path and stuck to it.
you already fell off the wagon, and it ain't even election day yet. congrats. If I held every president up to God then I'd never be able to vote for anyone.. My standard is high.. Higher then you would ever understand.. You trying to hold Christians up to what you think we create for ourselves when you don't even understand.. Who is Mike Huckabee? Matthew 7:21-23 (KJ2000) Not every one that says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out demons? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. Because he calls himself a Christian then I can vote for him.. What if someone ran for President that was Catholic? Would they be exceptable to vote for..( I'm not Catholic and don't agree with what they preach). There has only been one President in our entire history that I could have voted for if I was voting for them based on whether they lived up to God's standand .. James A.Garfield, 20th President of the United States.. figure that one out...
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So let me get this straight. The woman who's been in the same marriage all her life is somehow less Christian than the guy who's been married three times and cheated on all of them?
I guess til death do you part is more of a guideline.
If you call yourself Christian, then you shouldn't be voting for either one of them.
To pick one yet call yourself a Christian would mean you aren't really one. Sacrificing values for what? Picking and choosing when to uphold Christian values and when not to.
If your fake god was real, he would probably be ashamed. I don't expect someone with your knowledge of the subject to understand! translation: you're full of crap and can't defend your actions. Hillary is no more a Christian then Trump.. She's as evil if not more so then he is .. You're picking one thing about Trump and comparing it to Hillary.. Neither one is a Christian so I vote for the one that aligns themselves with my beliefs.. The one that might get America back to where it use to be .. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Trump is the Republican candidate and they are the ones that are closer to my values Actually Swish is correct , as Christian marriage is a big deal, I mean its a really big deal.. You are not just marrying your partner you are making a convenient with God that you will love and do right with your partner. A convenient is not a contract....in a contract If something goes wrong you can break free, a convenient means that you are promising god that you are going to do right by your partner, even if your partner does not do right about you. Further more as a Christian, we believe that God is first in our life, followed by our spouse second, followed by everything else. This shows how much God put in emphasis on marriage. PastorMark(I think), please add anything if i missed it. I'm not planning on marrying Trump. I'm already married. 26 years and counting but thanks for the marriage class anyways!
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For crying out loud we are electing a President, not a Pope!
Which is exactly why faith shouldn't even be part of the discussion, criteria or judgement of who is elected. Separation of church and state should mean...religion shouldn't be part of politics! Ted was right when he said "Because we vote". Perhaps Race should not be part of politics either? How about income? Gender? Nazi's? You are contradicting yourself. Read your initial response to Lurker's post then read your reply to me. It makes no sense.
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i understand a lot.
i also understand that your candidate can't even make the 10 commandment standard, which is fairly easy.
with that, i now understand that a president's religious beliefs actually mean little to you if you're voting for Trump.
which is fine. if you aren't gonna hold trump's religious belief to standard, then admit to yourself and others that yes, this is a secular nation, our government is secular, and thus religious belief should have zero bearing on moral values when selecting a president in a secular nation.
either you have a standard, or you don't. but don't make excuses, cause all you're doing is devaluing your values.
and btw, catholics are christians.
so now it doesn't matter they're christian, but what sect?
That's all i ever asked on this board: whats the standard?
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i understand a lot.
i also understand that your candidate can't even make the 10 commandment standard, which is fairly easy.
with that, i now understand that a president's religious beliefs actually mean little to you if you're voting for Trump.
which is fine. if you aren't gonna hold trump's religious belief to standard, then admit to yourself and others that yes, this is a secular nation, our government is secular, and thus religious belief should have zero bearing on moral values when selecting a president in a secular nation.
either you have a standard, or you don't. but don't make excuses, cause all you're doing is devaluing your values.
and btw, catholics are christians.
so now it doesn't matter they're christian, but what sect?
That's all i ever asked on this board: whats the standard? You are refusing to listen to what I've been saying.. But actually you're like GEICO! That's what you do! My Christian belief is used in every decision I make .. But someone is going to be elected President.. Either Trump or Hillary, so I've got to make a choice.. I would never vote for a Democrat for all the reasons 40 mentioned.. Now add on top of that we're also talking about Hillary that's even more reasons to not vote that way.. Trump is not a Christian, Hillary is not a Christian, Trump being a Republican is more what I believe in and where I believe God wants my vote.. Nothing to do with compromising my beliefs... As ytown said earlier.. God has a plan .. Regardless of who wins , God is in control
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Trump isn't a christian
I believe god wants my vote.
ok bro, whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Why would Jesus ever want you to vote Republican? Why would Jesus want you to vote Democrat? See what I did there?
The Views Expressed By Me Are Not Necessarily The Views That You Will Agree With, I'm In My Own Little World But They Know Me Here.
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Legend
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Legend
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Of course they have weight. My favorite book ever is Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning.
I am simply saying that I do not like when people call our candidates or our President "the devil" or "the AntiChrist."
Not saying you have to agree w/me. I do think I can voice my opinion that I don't like it, though. I found it on PDF here: https://www.sonoma.edu/users/s/shawth/mans%20SearchI think I might try reading it.
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~ Legend
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Why would Jesus ever want you to vote Republican? Why would Jesus want you to vote Democrat? See what I did there? He wouldn't. He'd want you to vote Green.
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Dawg Talker
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Dawg Talker
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Why would Jesus ever want you to vote Republican? Why would Jesus want you to vote Democrat? See what I did there? He wouldn't. He'd want you to vote Green. I highly doubt that!
The Views Expressed By Me Are Not Necessarily The Views That You Will Agree With, I'm In My Own Little World But They Know Me Here.
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Legend
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Legend
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Jesus didn't care about politics, he cared about us and where we would spend eternity.
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Dawg Talker
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Dawg Talker
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Jesus didn't care about politics, he cared about us and where we would spend eternity. That is correct but we still need to vote and I believe a Christian should vote for the lesser of two evils .. In my mind that's Trump.. Must be in yours also!
The Views Expressed By Me Are Not Necessarily The Views That You Will Agree With, I'm In My Own Little World But They Know Me Here.
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